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What now ??? 2 weeks 12 hours ago #177206

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We cannot continue in this rut.....a fluke goal Tuesday papered over a pile of shite.......another away debacle.....Super Stu and crew will still want Cook at the helm......please,please get him out before we end up in an impossible position. The results bad and the football is tragic.!!!
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What now ??? 2 weeks 12 hours ago #177207

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MR Brownbill wrote:
We cannot continue in this rut.....a fluke goal Tuesday papered over a pile of shite.......another away debacle.....Super Stu and crew will still want Cook at the helm......please,please get him out before we end up in an impossible position. The results bad and the football is tragic.!!!

Totally agree Mr Brownbill, he is devoid of ideas, its gone far enough and can't be allowed to continue.
Sack him now and make the fecker cadge a lift back over the hill.
Make the DW an egg free zone.
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What now ??? 2 weeks 12 hours ago #177208

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Why doesn't he at least try something different?
The subs today we're just a straight two for two and then a 1 for 1.
Could we for once be a bit more radical and switch things around and go for wins.
3 shots on target today just tells it all that things are not right in attack or maybe it's in the support and back up from midfield.
Why not just try 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1. Got to try something as the full 4-2-3-1 he sticks with other than dull and bad on the eyes is ineffective with our league One standard squad.
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What now ??? 2 weeks 11 hours ago #177210

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Why doesn't he at least try something different?
The subs today we're just a straight two for two and then a 1 for 1.
Could we for once be a bit more radical and switch things around and go for wins.
3 shots on target today just tells it all that things are not right in attack or maybe it's in the support and back up from midfield.
Why not just try 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1. Got to try something as the full 4-2-3-1 he sticks with other than dull and bad on the eyes is ineffective with our league One standard squad.

What is it now? One away win in 28? That is very p155 poor by anyone's standards. We are too static, predictable & really lack a creative player.
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What now ??? 2 weeks 11 hours ago #177211

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What now requires supporters to be more vocal. Cook must know he is unpopular with most supporters, but the Royalls and directors must spend their days in a bunker.

Time to turn the heat on the new owners. They are allowing the situation to continue and very happy Cook is getting all the blame.

A CHANT of COME BACK DAVE would be something that is directed directly at them. Simple and I think it would be effective.
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What now ??? 2 weeks 11 hours ago #177212

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Shows how deluded they are with the announcement of the fans forum with Cook, Royle and Jackson on 15th October.

If they expect a night of jovial frivolity and good humour, I think they are misjudging things just a bit.
And there you go!
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What now ??? 2 weeks 11 hours ago #177213

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Just watched the highlights & in fairness we could have won the game 1 - 2. Just didnt go for us. Regardless the away record is still atrocious.
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What now ??? 2 weeks 9 hours ago #177215

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Tactics away amateur. Moore a good signing just no one to get to by line and give him something to go at.Look how many balls he wins 30 yds out. No striker would get goals here. Players being stifled . Our squad is better than this and until Cook goes things wont get better. Christ, can anyone really complain if he's potted ? Our away record is justification on it's own. The Royles and above need to pull their heads out their arses and act quickly before we have 7000 gates.Not just the results......its shit to watch .Can't pass,score in open play certainly not entertain.....ffs end his tenure now.
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What now ??? 2 weeks 9 hours ago #177216

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Even at home Keifer is stifled. Why are the hierarchy not asking serious questions of Cookie. We must be close to setting some kind of record for away losses. Its ridiculous.
One life One love One Wigan Athletic

The real Melchester Rovers
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What now ??? 2 weeks 6 hours ago #177217

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He's gone!!!
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What now ??? 1 week 6 days ago #177218

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I can't see Cook getting sacked unless we fall into the relegation zone. Our way form is absolutely diabolical, of that there can be no excuses. On the other hand our home form under Cook is very good. In two seasons in the championship we have lost to 3 teams (Leeds, Sheffield United and Birmingham). Without this form we would have been relegated by now.

Our league position is matched by the size and infrastructure of the club. Looking at the clubs in and around us why do we expect to do better? We must average less than 10,000 home supporters in a league where those at the top end average three times as many.
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What now ??? 1 week 6 days ago #177219

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Preston ???
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MR Brownbill wrote:
Preston ???

They might be in the play-off positions, but have they actually achieved anything yet?
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What now ??? 1 week 6 days ago #177221

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runcornfan1978 wrote:
MR Brownbill wrote:
Preston ???

They might be in the play-off positions, but have they actually achieved anything yet?
No they haven't and fingers crossed they don't but that aside for a club with the geographical area Nobs draw support from and for a town the size of Preston they must be pulling their hair out in frustration at the size of their support for their league position.
It's the same old scenario for them though that we have and that's attracting anyone extra than season card holders.
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What now ??? 1 week 6 days ago #177222

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They have small squad,score for fun and good on the eye.Us?..... Dire on the eye,only Barnsley have scored less and as we know should our home form waiver then we really will be in the relegation fight.
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What now ??? 1 week 6 days ago #177223

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At least we won't get beat next weekend.
FromMatlocktoManU......How far have we fekin come!
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What now ??? 1 week 6 days ago #177224

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bigroy wrote:
looking at the clubs in and around us why do we expect to do better? We must average less than 10,000 home supporters in a league where those at the top end average three times as many.

Jesus are you basing any future success on fan numbers ?, beggars belief. Just put leeds and Derby in the Prem hey along with Fulham because theres some posh houses near the ground.

It's the overall performance week in week out makes me have concerns. I'm still thinking, is it the manager or the fault of the players who are simply not good enough.
It's far easier to get rid of one man than a dozen plus players. I'm leaning towards it been the fault of the manager and the way he sets his stall out.
Garner couldn't hit a barn door with a beach ball so to start with him up front was for me a bad move.
At times it's like watching your Grannie with failing eyesight doing a jigsaw puzzle, she has all the pieces but doesnt have a clue how they all go together.
I've said it again and again, weve no ball player in the middle. Time and time again midfielders first pass option was sideways the 2nd been backwards.
I watched Bannan time after time slip little daisy cutters or flicks but more importantly he was always wanting the ball and forward thinking at every opportunity.
1 player like that can change a game in a blink but, Cook has always preferred the grafter run your sack off type of player.
The best player for me who tries to go forward is Robinson, well done fella.
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What now ??? 1 week 6 days ago #177225

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Beggars belief? Top 4 over last decade in Premier League are generally clubs with massive followings or loads of money. 4 of top 5 in Championship as we speak (West Brom, Forest, Swansea and Leeds) have either massive crowds (in comparison to us) or have a fair bit of money. PNE will drop as you well know.

Do you not recall our rise to success being linked to having a wealthy benefactor? Now we are back to 8k home fans and Joe Royle pulling the strings we are struggling at a level we probably don't belong. It's not rocket science. Look at bottom half of table. Majority are clubs with poor crowds just like us and not much money. There's exceptions to every rule (say Stoke and Huddersfield who are in a massive transition) but to suggest size of clubs and success aren't linked is ridiculous.
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What now ??? 1 week 6 days ago #177226

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From reading this forum for a while now there seems to be an overall frustration about where we are at. Although we are a relatively small club punching above our weight, with the players we have, we should be playing better than what we are. One or two perhaps have reached their limit but most just aren’t fulfilling their potential.
I was behind Cook last year as he hadn’t had much backing in the transfer market and it was a new division. I still like Cook but I feel the team needs fresh eyes to give it a spark.
However, as we know from the past, it needs the right pair of eyes.
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What now ??? 1 week 5 days ago #177227

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blackmamba wrote:
He's gone!!!
yip from last December he should have gone.its coming ?,
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What now ??? 1 week 5 days ago #177228

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bigroy wrote:
Beggars belief? Top 4 over last decade in Premier League are generally clubs with massive followings or loads of money. 4 of top 5 in Championship as we speak (West Brom, Forest, Swansea and Leeds) have either massive crowds (in comparison to us) or have a fair bit of money. PNE will drop as you well know.

Do you not recall our rise to success being linked to having a wealthy benefactor? Now we are back to 8k home fans and Joe Royle pulling the strings we are struggling at a level we probably don't belong. It's not rocket science. Look at bottom half of table. Majority are clubs with poor crowds just like us and not much money. There's exceptions to every rule (say Stoke and Huddersfield who are in a massive transition) but to suggest size of clubs and success aren't linked is ridiculous.
Firstly, were not in the Prem, secondly,preston are 3rd and as you pointed out Stoke and Huddersfield along with Middlesbrough are in the bottom 5.

I'm not really arsed how many fans turn up I'm more bothered about how Cook has his team playing.
I personally cannot see what our plan is and the role of certain players. Bar Robinson were about as negative as you can get. Our style of play is horrible to watch and most games unafective.
This long punt up field for Moore is fine if, someone is close by to feed off the knock down.
Like I said, move Robinson up to left mid stick Naismith in behind then they can overlap. But under Cook this will never happen.
I'm not expecting Prem football far from it. I would like a more effective attacking plan and the odd win away. As said, were punching above our weight?.
I would say that backside talk. Were too good for League One we've already proved this, the Championship is our level.
Our away form is terrible. If we can improve this then a mid table finish is achievable. Anything after that is a bonus as Preston are proving.
When they hammered us last season they were in the bottom 3. 12 months on their in the top 3. So give me a solid reason why we cannot emulate this ?.
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What now ??? 1 week 5 days ago #177229

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cup winners wrote:
bigroy wrote:
looking at the clubs in and around us why do we expect to do better? We must average less than 10,000 home supporters in a league where those at the top end average three times as many.

Jesus are you basing any future success on fan numbers ?, beggars belief. Just put leeds and Derby in the Prem hey along with Fulham because theres some posh houses near the ground.

It's the overall performance week in week out makes me have concerns. I'm still thinking, is it the manager or the fault of the players who are simply not good enough.
It's far easier to get rid of one man than a dozen plus players. I'm leaning towards it been the fault of the manager and the way he sets his stall out.
Garner couldn't hit a barn door with a beach ball so to start with him up front was for me a bad move.
At times it's like watching your Grannie with failing eyesight doing a jigsaw puzzle, she has all the pieces but doesnt have a clue how they all go together.
I've said it again and again, weve no ball player in the middle. Time and time again midfielders first pass option was sideways the 2nd been backwards.
I watched Bannan time after time slip little daisy cutters or flicks but more importantly he was always wanting the ball and forward thinking at every opportunity.
1 player like that can change a game in a blink but, Cook has always preferred the grafter run your sack off type of player.
The best player for me who tries to go forward is Robinson, well done fella.

This reminds me of when we had Bobby in charge. A top manager (though most couldn't see it - hence the dawn of the lightside vs darkside debates), wanting to TRY & play a decent level of football. But didnt have the players to do it. Bobby went from having Caldwell in defence to Kompany. Bobby now manages the number 1 side in the world. Yet most on here thought he was clueless.

I'm seeing a similar pattern with cook on here. I'm in no way defending his away record by any means. It is simply atrocious. I dont go away, so only base my opinion from either here or Facebook. But he does seem to set up very negatively when playing away. I'd rather we lose a game by at least trying to go for it as opposed to relying on a snatch & grab. I seriously hope this is brought up at the fans forum. I do agree with your mr brownbill & cupwinners in that we cant rely purely on our home record. But unlike the aforementioned, I still try & remain positive.
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What now ??? 1 week 5 days ago #177230

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Hes got to set his stall out better when playing away, for me, take more risk. As I pointed out previously, if our away form remains the same (zero points) and we start drawing and losing at home then we are truly fooked.
For me he we have to play a risk & reward style of football rather than belt n braces lump it to the big mon football.
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What now ??? 1 week 5 days ago #177231

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Lost at weekend did we? Plenty posts on here again now.
Super, Super Stu. Super Stuart Barlow.
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What now ??? 1 week 4 days ago #177237

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We lose,no sign of you for 2 days after.Then you do a pointless post.Then again your defense of Cook must now be exhausted. You proved last season that you've planted yourself firmly on the no change policy no matter how results go. I bet you really believed you'd be proven right last season after our last gasp escape. Hey presto nothings changed,new playing staff,same shit results and even more turgid,boring hoofball. So who do you put that down to ???
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