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Cook clutching at desperate straws... 3 weeks 4 days ago #177905

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Read this...

www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/wigan-...e-stadium-1-10097669

So he is having a go at supporters, claiming we think they can just "steam roll the opposition" in this league.

Thats RUBBISH. Nobody thinks, or has ever thought that about Cooks side.

And using the excuse that as a club we have previously struggled at this level....that for me is f****** desperate. He knows he is teetering on the edge, and is stalling the inevitable. Using other managers and completely different squads failings as an excuse to justify his own, the absolute bellend.

Royle needs to grow some bollocks and sack him tonight or in the morning. I have never heard anything like that, from any other manager. Unbelievable.

Will Marco Silva at Everton start using Mike Walkers failings whilst at the club as a justification of his own? And will Unai Emery be citing Bruce Rioch's failings at Arsenal in a bid to defend his own shortcomings?

Cook....bollocks. Get him gone.
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Cook clutching at desperate straws... 3 weeks 4 days ago #177906

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We have spent 7 seasons at this level and have been relegated twice. It's not like we are an established Championship club or even a top tier club like if someone like Forest or Leeds were in this position. I think that is his point. He has barely taken us backwards has he?

As I said on the other thread there are plenty of our fans who seem to think we should be beating certain teams and should be well above where we are. Mentioning managers and players names that we have next to no chance of ever employing.

If I was managing a club that was punching above its weight and some Football Manager playing "expert" was having a go at me I would probably react as well.
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Cook clutching at desperate straws... 3 weeks 4 days ago #177908

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We have spent 7 seasons at this level and have been relegated twice. It's not like we are an established Championship club or even a top tier club like if someone like Forest or Leeds were in this position. I think that is his point. He has barely taken us backwards has he?

As I said on the other thread there are plenty of our fans who seem to think we should be beating certain teams and should be well above where we are. Mentioning managers and players names that we have next to no chance of ever employing.

If I was managing a club that was punching above its weight and some Football Manager playing "expert" was having a go at me I would probably react as well.
You miss the point, Cooks current player choice and p1ss poor zip lob to the big lad are a couple o reasons why we are were we are.
If he grew some testicles he would have fookin gone for 3 pts at a struggling Derby side when it was for the taking but oh no that's the fault of the fans who expect too much.
Cook do the right thing and leave. We need an ambitious manager who have the nuts to play to win and isn't overwhelmed in the Championship which you clearly are.
You made a comment a few weeks back that you had no idea as to why the results weren't coming. Well if you don't know then that fans just waiting for the turd to come its way.
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How do we know that having an ambitous manager who plays 442 won't mean we get stuffed every week?

We have one of the smallest budgets in the division and usually that is where you finish. We've signed league one players and injury prone veterans because that is what we can afford in the hope it works.

Perhaps Cook is too cautious at times and worries about the opposition but no doubt if he went all out attack and we got stuffed the same people would be booing him.
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We have spent 7 seasons at this level and have been relegated twice. It's not like we are an established Championship club or even a top tier club like if someone like Forest or Leeds were in this position. I think that is his point. He has barely taken us backwards has he?

As I said on the other thread there are plenty of our fans who seem to think we should be beating certain teams and should be well above where we are. Mentioning managers and players names that we have next to no chance of ever employing.

If I was managing a club that was punching above its weight and some Football Manager playing "expert" was having a go at me I would probably react as well.
You miss the point, Cooks current player choice and p1ss poor zip lob to the big lad are a couple o reasons why we are were we are.
If he grew some testicles he would have fookin gone for 3 pts at a struggling Derby side when it was for the taking but oh no that's the fault of the fans who expect too much.
Cook do the right thing and leave. We need an ambitious manager who have the nuts to play to win and isn't overwhelmed in the Championship which you clearly are.
You made a comment a few weeks back that you had no idea as to why the results weren't coming. Well if you don't know then that fans just waiting for the turd to come its way.

Mate, we have some bad deluded people around our club who swallow all this shit Cook comes out with. Good god.
We are rapidly becoming a club that are accepting us being utter dogshit. I cant understand how so many just acquiesce to it all. Other clubs supporters would be up in arms and going nuts.

When we walked out on 78 mins on Saturday, something I haven't done in a longtime, I walked down the steps past people who were sat there, silent, almost in a trance. It was like a morgue. Is that what we have become? Jesus.

Warnock has left Cardiff tonight. Hmmmmm. I wouldn't have to even think about it.
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We have as much chance of getting Arsene Wenger as we do Neil Warnock.

It has nothing to do with swallowing what Cook says, it is about being realistic. We are in the 2nd tier, average 9k and post financial losses year after year. Yes our owners have money allegedly but they are not prepared to spunk it away which personally I'm pretty happy with because if we did then it wouldn't be long before we're the next Bury or Bolton which is something you should understand pretty well.

As for deluded fans, someone posted on Facebook that we should bid for Olivier fucking Giroud.
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The Egg wrote:
We have as much chance of getting Arsene Wenger as we do Neil Warnock.

It has nothing to do with swallowing what Cook says, it is about being realistic. We are in the 2nd tier, average 9k and post financial losses year after year. Yes our owners have money allegedly but they are not prepared to spunk it away which personally I'm pretty happy with because if we did then it wouldn't be long before we're the next Bury or Bolton which is something you should understand pretty well.

As for deluded fans, someone posted on Facebook that we should bid for Olivier fucking Giroud.

I think we could get Warnock.

But yeah, somebody posting about us going for Giroud...did they really? Wow. I am all for ambition, but theres ambition and then there is that! Lol.

But as for not 'spunking money away', haven't we just spent around 10 million this last summer? The only player who looks worth the money has been Williams. If I was Royle I wouldnt trust Cook with another penny.

His comments in what I have posted the link to tonight, have made my mind up. I find them staggering, and very desperate.
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10 million is less than fuck all in this league hence why the players dont look good enough.

We lost our 2 best players and haven't replaced them because simply put....we can't.
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Cook clutching at desperate straws... 3 weeks 4 days ago #177915

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Or realistic and where we probably are as a club? Problem is we have been spoilt as fans of Wigan Athletic for years which has raised expectations to the point that people believe we should be challenging in the top half of the championship. Our club is run well and we exist within our means. Others dont.
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I am beginning to think the 8 years in the Premier League, League Cup final, Fa Cup win, and Europa League was all a dream, like when Bobby Ewing had a shower and Pam had a long dream....
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Cook clutching at desperate straws... 3 weeks 4 days ago #177922

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bigroy wrote:
Or realistic and where we probably are as a club? Problem is we have been spoilt as fans of Wigan Athletic for years which has raised expectations to the point that people believe we should be challenging in the top half of the championship. Our club is run well and we exist within our means. Others dont.


This is not about expectations as a whole and been spoilt, thats just are history and we did it on the smallest budget in the Prem.
This debate is about our current manager and players. I feel that with the correct guy in charge who decides not to keep fookin launching it to the big guy we should have no problem at finishing mid table.

We could do with a guy who never says I've not a clue, a guy who doesnt blame the fans for expecting too much someone who has the balls to win a game when its there on a plateau. A guy who's not scared of dropping his favorite players when their playing sh1t.

We won the FA Cup on a dream a far bigger dream than staying in the Championship. If you feel staying in the Championship is asking too much especially after watching us against some of the big clubs in this league then you should pack in going.
Saturdays performance all be it against a good side was still spineless. We can't change the squad till Jan but we can change the manager.
I don't see many defending him now because there's nothing to defend
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Cook clutching at desperate straws... 3 weeks 4 days ago #177924

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cup winners wrote:
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Or realistic and where we probably are as a club? Problem is we have been spoilt as fans of Wigan Athletic for years which has raised expectations to the point that people believe we should be challenging in the top half of the championship. Our club is run well and we exist within our means. Others dont.


This is not about expectations as a whole and been spoilt, thats just are history and we did it on the smallest budget in the Prem.
This debate is about our current manager and players. I feel that with the correct guy in charge who decides not to keep fookin launching it to the big guy we should have no problem at finishing mid table.

We could do with a guy who never says I've not a clue, a guy who doesnt blame the fans for expecting too much someone who has the balls to win a game when its there on a plateau. A guy who's not scared of dropping his favorite players when their playing sh1t.

We won the FA Cup on a dream a far bigger dream than staying in the Championship. If you feel staying in the Championship is asking too much especially after watching us against some of the big clubs in this league then you should pack in going.
Saturdays performance all be it against a good side was still spineless. We can't change the squad till Jan but we can change the manager.
I don't see many defending him now because there's nothing to defend

And the manager responsible for winning the FA Cup was also criticised for his style of play.
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Sammy wrote:
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bigroy wrote:
Or realistic and where we probably are as a club? Problem is we have been spoilt as fans of Wigan Athletic for years which has raised expectations to the point that people believe we should be challenging in the top half of the championship. Our club is run well and we exist within our means. Others dont.


This is not about expectations as a whole and been spoilt, thats just are history and we did it on the smallest budget in the Prem.
This debate is about our current manager and players. I feel that with the correct guy in charge who decides not to keep fookin launching it to the big guy we should have no problem at finishing mid table.

We could do with a guy who never says I've not a clue, a guy who doesnt blame the fans for expecting too much someone who has the balls to win a game when its there on a plateau. A guy who's not scared of dropping his favorite players when their playing sh1t.

We won the FA Cup on a dream a far bigger dream than staying in the Championship. If you feel staying in the Championship is asking too much especially after watching us against some of the big clubs in this league then you should pack in going.
Saturdays performance all be it against a good side was still spineless. We can't change the squad till Jan but we can change the manager.
I don't see many defending him now because there's nothing to defend

And the manager responsible for winning the FA Cup was also criticised for his style of play.
I'm not getting into a Martinez v Cook debate I'm concerned about the now and for Cook to hint that it's going to be hard to stay in this Division is p1ss poor. If he thinks it fine but theres no need to come out with it it just paints a negative picture of the club.

So so far I've seen us play some of the favourites for promotion and bar Leeds and Brentford I would say were a match for any of them on our day.
The problem is, we've a manager who clearly doesn't know how to get that extra 10% to get us over the line.
With positive thoughts and change of style and at times players and been braver we could be happily sat just outside the play-offs.
How would you feel as a Wigan player reading those recent paper comments I'd think, well if he feels we've not much hope then ........

We probably have no chance of getting Warnock but he would be a perfect fit, probably the best man manager in all 4 Leagues, something we desperately need
belief not despair.

Got a feeling David Moyes might be in the frame especially with the Everton link and the Royles, watch this space
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Cook clutching at desperate straws... 3 weeks 4 days ago #177927

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Biggest fault overall with Cooks teams is the rubbish away form which is now unacceptable and cannot continue.
My own take on this is a lack of intensity and belief when embarking on an away fixture almost like a passive acceptance and it is now well beyond a blip or bad luck in my view.
A good example was the Bristol City game when a seemingly rare away win was snatched away as a result of conceding a late corner which resulted from sloppy bad decision defending.
Last season it was do or die at high flying Leeds United and we all know what happened , we gained an incredible result.
The Stoke game is starting to look similar to the above one in my opinion and it will be interesting to see how that one goes.
Pressure on
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For me Derby away spoke volumes about Cook and his negative away policy. There was a game we were fully in charge of against a poor Derby outfit.

At 0-0 it was there for the taking but opted for safety first and a point will do and paid the price.
Now if we were under the cosh I'd say yes a point would do but we werent and there was no better time to nick a game. Cook was actually telling players to clam it down which in turn lead to Derby pressing for their winner.
Like I said that was enough for me, here his Cook's public write up:-

“If people think that, in this division, we’re just going to walk over and steamroll the opposition, they’re very, very, very, very far from the truth."

I think Cook is talking out his sh1tter. I cant think of 1 Latics fan who has ever thought that so were he got that crap from is beyond me, more negativity.

What fans are saying is, when were on top let's try and win the game hey !! Steam roll them ? I doubt it Cooky more like a tonka toy over your foot
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We were the better side at Derby yes, but after our wretched away record I can see why we would be cautious and try to get a point and a clean sheet first and foremost. And as I continue to say, had he gone for it and we lost he would have been slated for going for it. Don't say he wouldn't because it happens on social media every week.

Brings on Naismith v Derby and Bristol - twitter meltdown
Doesn't bring on Naismith v Swansea - twitter meltdown
Plays Windass - social media claim he's crap
Doesn't play Windass - twitter meltdown because Daddy Dean says he was fit

Nobody might use the term "steamroller" but there are plenty that claim we should be beating a, b or c especially when we play at home.
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Whilst others suggested putting young Gelhardt on would turn the game. Not seen much evidence of that in the last two fixtures. One goal against Hull was class. That apart he's rarely touched ball. Looks like he needs a spell on loan to get to grips with mens football if we want to throw him in.
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I'm not getting into a Martinez v Cook debate I'm concerned about the now and for Cook to hint that it's going to be hard to stay in this Division is p1ss poor.

The point is that people just like to moan and have a scapegoat. Martinez was criticised for his style of play even though he won the FA Cup and kept us in the Prem for three seasons (almost four) with an ever-decreasing budget. So what chance anybody else and we’ve had six managers since Martinez (plus another two as caretakers, including Barrow three times) and every one of them has been slated by a good few posters on here.

It would not surprise me if Cook gets sacked and I would not be surprised if he stays. Six full time managers in six years would suggest that sacking managers is not always the best policy especially at a club where the options are limited in who it can attract.
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Nail on the head I would say there Sammy
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Many fans nowadays think success only comes with financial investment not true. In our very first season in the championship we came agonisingly close to promotion and succeeded the next. Did we have the best players NO but we had a manager with a strategy that was bang on. He had Duke and Roberts playing like world beaters. Warnock had no chance of taking Cardiff up to the premier but amazingly did because of his skill as manager. Let's not lose sight of who we are and what we have achieved. We are Wigan Athletic always David and never Goliath we have never competed off the field but oh boy have we competed with the biggest on it. Since the prem we have gotten on this modern way of playing train and cant seem to get off. We no longer have the calibre of player to implement the lone striker playing with world class midfielders and wing backs. Until we go back to basics we will continue to appoint and sack managers frequently.
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Whilst others suggested putting young Gelhardt on would turn the game. Not seen much evidence of that in the last two fixtures. One goal against Hull was class. That apart he's rarely touched ball. Looks like he needs a spell on loan to get to grips with mens football if we want to throw him in.

Or maybe try playing him in his correct position rather than sticking him out on the wing
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This is so patronising from Cook

“There’s a little bit of anger inside the stadium among the Wigan fans, and I fully understand that,” the Latics boss acknowledged.

“If people think that, in this division, we’re just going to walk over and steamroll the opposition, they’re very, very, very, very far from the truth.

Says he understands but thinks we're moaning as we're not stuffing teams but then says we're very very very wrong.

The fact is he doesn't understand things are reaching a head as the performances are getting worse, the football is dire. We can't score and never look like we can score in open play. Brentford were excellent an example of how we should AIM to play not the hoof it shite.
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I would honestly like Cookie to be a big success for the Latics; but on Saturday he was already beaten in his head before we even kicked off. It was yet another team that he was heaping praise upon in his pre match amble; maybe preparing the ground for his post match analysis.
How often did you ever hear Bill Shankly & Bob Paisley eulogising about the forthcoming opposition? Their attitude was more about concentrating on their own game and let the opposition do all the worrying.

The psychology is really simple; a bit like a child who believes that he is going to be seasick or carsick, so it is no surprise when the inevitable happens. That feeling of trepidation gives the team a subliminal message that it is acceptable to get beaten; because the gaffer already believes that it a distinct possibility.

Who is our sports psychologist ? We have enough people in tracksuits ?
Today is the first day of the rest of the season !
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I would honestly like Cookie to be a big success for the Latics; but on Saturday he was already beaten in his head before we even kicked off. It was yet another team that he was heaping praise upon in his pre match amble; maybe preparing the ground for his post match analysis.
How often did you ever hear Bill Shankly & Bob Paisley eulogising about the forthcoming opposition? Their attitude was more about concentrating on their own game and let the opposition do all the worrying.

The psychology is really simple; a bit like a child who believes that he is going to be seasick or carsick, so it is no surprise when the inevitable happens. That feeling of trepidation gives the team a subliminal message that it is acceptable to get beaten; because the gaffer already believes that it a distinct possibility.

Who is our sports psychologist ? We have enough people in tracksuits ?

I totally agree with this LHL. Cook’s heros Shankly & co, in fact every successful manager would never waste their time talking about how good the other team is, it should be all about how good we are and giving us confidence.

His pre match talk must be killing our confidence.
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There is no way of knowing if what he says to the press resembles anything he says in his pre match talk to the players.
The players will obviously be aware of what he says in his press conference but you would hope he tells the players to ignore the official press bullshit and actually tells them to concentrate on their own game and the opposition are shite anyway.
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