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Clubs and players would be very reluctant to go to ET as then the whole complicated package would be made public, not only literally to the public, but also other players in the team. Clubs may not want that known.
A friend of mine is an HR Officer in the NE. In over 15 years of this line of work with a large company, she has never had an unfair dismissal case reach an ET – every single one has settled “Out of Court”.
Apparently over 90% of all such cases end this way.[/quote]
Correct
I’m talking about the legalities.
Not necessarily the same as what is likely to be done.
Firstly Watson has returned, so the club in not getting rid of him protected their asset. Secondly clubs (many anyway) do show some loyalty to their players. Ben Watson is a part of this club’s history, so they will view it more leniently. Companies do this all the time. We were far more reluctant to get rid of someone with a long absence who had put many years of good service in, compared to someone who is a fairly recent addition.
A contract is not just one way – it is a written (or sometimes not written) agreement about responsibilities and rewards. The player is often reported to have this or that demand, but the club has its expectations too. If someone cannot perform their job then the contract ceases to be valid.
Secondly – there is the question of the PR for the club. If a target is being sought by two clubs, would you want the agent to say “don’t go to them – they get rid of players quickly”. You have to be seen to be a “good” employer.
Clubs and players would be very reluctant to go to ET as then the whole complicated package would be made public, not only literally to the public, but also other players in the team. Clubs may not want that known.
Injuries probably are covered in the contract. Insurance etc, and players towards the end of their careers are paid a low basic salary with a bigger portion of performance pay (appearances, goals, assist etc etc). The top stars in the prime of their careers are the ones who can demand high basic. I suspect Holt isn’t on a high basic (comparatively).
I can’t believe I’m having this debate – as you seem to be not understanding the difference between what CAN be done legally, and what is LIKELY to be done for a variety of reasons.
Haha. Well you’ve obviously never worked in professional sport! As if you can cancel a contract due to injury!Explain how professional sport is different from any other employment in English law please.
If the injury is viewed as career threatening (just as any long term illness may be in ‘ordinary’ jobs) then the employer unilaterally can terminate the contract. And despite common belief, the penalty if it goes to ET is not the full value of the contract. Would you be paid up to pension age if you became too ill to work? The reason most clubs carry players with injury is that they hope they will recover and play a part in the future and pay back the investment. It is quite likely that salary is contractually reduced during lay-offs, just as anyone else’s pay is reduced if you are off sick. Contracts are softer in sport as a result of agents being involved, but in the eyes of the law they are the same as any other contract. Why do you think transfer negotiations take so long? It’s all these ‘what ifs’.
If sports contracts are so sacrosanct, then why do managers get sacked? And do you really think they have to be paid up the full amount due?
I worked in Harry Ramsdens apparently, so do know what I’m talking about.
Or just terminate his contract.
Companies can fire people for a poor sick record. Yes, there may be some compensation to pay, but it’s never anywhere near the value of the contract. And yes, I did work in HR. :)
Reasonable marketing – outside the normal catchment area.
Maybe we leaflet in Preston, I don’t know. No good leafleting in Wigan. People here have already made up their minds, for or against.
Its nowt do with the backroom staff by any chance. Theres three off them at the club,do they not get any flack for stealing a living. ;)I make the same point regularly.
They are the constant factor with the last 3 managers, and I noticed the other night Graham Barrow stood next to MM giving “advice”.
Get your own people in, Malky.
I used to be a management trainer – yes, all this sort of claptrap even I didn’t believe in.
Trust me – having someone like Dave Whelan in a course would have been a nightmare!!!!
“We are satisfied on the evidence before us that Mr Whelan is not a racist. We are equally satisfied on the evidence before us that Mr Whelan did not intend to cause any offence by his comments.”
So why is he given this penalty when Balotelli got 1 match and £25K?
Oh, here we go again…“and I really can’t see a chink of light at the end of the tunnel…..
… said no manager in a post-match interview, ever.
Malky might :)
Tick Tock, Tick Tock; two more places to go !
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I bet the OP (LHL) had no idea it would run this long.
BTW is this the longest thread in CL history.[/quote]By a long way:
1 How Long Before “Bottom Four Bob” 1219
2 Transfer news, paper talk, who you want – get it all in here 520
3 the never ending thread 381
4 The Joke Thread…… 322
5 Myth 154The proof will be in the pudding, as the saying goes. It’s easy for Holt to say all that stuff so if he is back with us lets see if he looks fit and if he puts a shift in on the pitch!!12 months ago Holt did look like a very costly dud.. Let’s hope he proves me wrong.
I don’t think it helps if you call him a pudding ;)
Did you know by the way that in the phrase “the proof of the pudding is in the eating” – proof actually means “test”.
Exactly the same usage as in “the exception proves the rule” which most people think means you have to have an exception that makes the rule right – which is nonsense. The meaning is “the exception tests the rule” – if the rule still holds even for things out of the norm then it is correct.
See also “proof read” – a “test” read.Who said this forum isn’t educational?
