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Fair play to you GL but I do think you are the exception that proves the rule.
This post has nothing really to do with the discussion except as a bit of free Monday morning education. :P
I am going to be a real smart a**e here and point out that “prove” in this context does not mean as most people think “validate”, as that actually would be nonsense if you think about it. You find an exception that a rule doesn’t apply to, so that somehow strengthens the rule?
The word is used in an old sense meaning to test. The exception tests the rule, to see if you still have a rule, or does it fail. Me, being an exception, means the rule fails.
The same use of “proof” or “prove” is in the saying “the proof of the pudding is in the eating” which is nonsense with current meaning, but becomes clearer if you are testing the pudding by eating it.
Same thing with “water proof” (tested against water” and “proof reading” (a test read).
As I say, not prolonging the substance of the thread, but thought I’d add a bit of enlightenment.
Not a lot of people know that.
I was brought up a Liverpool supporter. Being born and raised in Liverpool in a “Red fanily” helped.
I had a Kop season ticket. I went to Cup Finals. I ended up (drunk) in the tunnel somehow in Munich when they were knocked out of the UEFA Cup one year. I went to Rome when they/we won the European Cup for the first time.
I then moved out to Garswood and stopped watching Liverpool for many years, except for the odd game. When my son came to an age for watching football live, even though his normal Christmas presents had been Liverpool shirts, I took him along to Springfeld Park. It was far easier than taking an 8-year-old onto the Kop. Liverpool were winning everything in sight. Wigan got relegated for the only time in their history that season. But despite that a love for the Latics grew that has not changed.
He and I are fully commited Latics supporters now. I was interviewed by Sky Sports outside Anfield a few years ago, in full blue and white “gear”. I have my own site, that I set up when we were in the 4th Division as I call it.
I now despise what Liverpool FC have become. Whinging martyrs. Not at all the team I supported so many years ago. I certainly would never go back to supporting them, and have no intention whatsoever of changing allegiance again. There is no reason to.
Dead easy answer.
But the difference between us, my friend, is that I know what I’m taking about.
“I would love that Wigan fans recognise my effort when I leave the club in May.”
Well – three months to achieve that then
Depends who their Dads supported, and also there were times in living memory when Everton were quite successful and were known for playing attractive football (they were known as “The School of Science”).
What nonsense! Duke walked away from us because his agent dangled the thought of riches and glory in front of his eyes. And I know he went to WBA. We had no choice but to let him go if he didn’t want to play for us.
You are really saying that it was downhill from the moment we got in the Premier League???
I threw in the towel when I realised people don’t know how to spell “throw”, but that’s just me I suppose.
There’s a few lower league games called off already
Just checked and Preston is off because of a frozen pitch, not what might happen in a few hours time.
I must admit it is starting to look like snowy skies moving in
Wrap up warm folks – we may get snowed in – now there’s a horrifying thought :woohoo:
If the snow’s only due to start at kick off can’t see any reason at all to call off beforehand just in case.
To be honest the day I start worrying about what fans of other teams think about Wigan is the day I completely give up
The whole question of what constitutes “debt” is a really weird one.
As a non-football related analogy – a few years ago Sarah Ferguson was reported to be bankrupt owing millions. Therefore on paper I was far far richer than her.
But she was driving round in big cars, jetting off around the World, staying in top hotels, and returning to her luxury home. I wasn’t. How does that work then?
Top clubs can be millions in debt and no-one blinks; smaller clubs are threatened with going out of existence.
Excellent choice – from Wikipedia (this cut and paste is catching!!):
“Taylor’s first experience of heavy public criticism came after a Championship match between Hull City and Charlton Athletic on 2 October 2007,[7] during which there were a number of disputed decisions, including a disallowed goal and two red cards both of which were disputed by the team managers.[8]
Taylor also received criticism after a League 1 fixture between Nottingham Forest and Huddersfield Town on 1 January 2008[9] in which he awarded a debatable 35th-minute penalty kick to the away side, simultaneously sending off Forest’s Kelvin Wilson.[10] Nottingham Forest’s appeal to retrospectively rescind the red card was turned down by the FA.[11] Another controversial red card was issued by Taylor to Swansea City’s Albert Serrán in the 17th minute of a match on 28 December 2009 against Crystal Palace, a decision described by Swansea manager Paulo Sousa as “ridiculous”.[12] On this occasion the red card was successfully appealed by Swansea City and the customary three-match ban overturned.
After a live televised game between relegation rivals Sheffield United and Crystal Palace on 20 November 2010, Taylor and his assistants were censured for a number of controversial decisions.[13] Taylor awarded Palace an 18th-minute penalty when Jean Calvé was adjudged to have pushed Neil Danns, although the contact appeared minimal, and later awarded a second penalty, this time to United, for an apparent foul by Nathaniel Clyne on Ched Evans, although Clyne appeared to play the ball. Palace midfielder Owen Garvan was given a second yellow card after arguing vociferously with Taylor about the penalty award.[14] In the second half, Palace had regained the lead until the 85th minute when United’s Evans scored an equaliser despite being offside. Minutes later, Taylor awarded United a second penalty, the third of the match, although this one appeared justifiable; the penalty was converted to give Palace a 3-2 lead having been 2-1 down with five minutes remaining. Deep into injury time, he issued the second red card of the match, this time to United’s Daniel Bogdanović for serious foul play.[15]
Premier League
Taylor’s first Premier League appointment was the 3 February 2010 encounter between Fulham and Portsmouth, with Fulham winning 1-0. He refereed one more game in the top flight during the 2009-10 season before being promoted to the league’s Select Group of Referees at the start of the 2010-11 season. On 18 September 2010 he took charge of his fourth Premier League match, contested by Blackburn Rovers and Fulham. The match ended 1-1, but Taylor was criticised by both managers for apparently failing to see a handball outside of the penalty area by Fulham goalkeeper Mark Schwarzer and later awarding Blackburn the opening goal despite an apparent foul on Schwarzer.[16]
In March 2011, Taylor and his assistants came under scrutiny from Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger after his team was held to a 0-0 home draw by Sunderland. The officials elected not to award the Gunners’ Andrei Arshavin a late penalty after an apparent push by Sunderland captain Titus Bramble.[17] Wenger said afterwards that he was “too disgusted” to talk about the decision.”
