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Prepare yourselves for the latest version of the one up top illness that has infested our club since the day Jason Scotland graced our pitch
Yip it looks like we are falling for it again.
Other than that, good luck Cooky. We won’t hold our breath.
Another totally underwhelming appointment.
Will be there next season but many won’t be.
Such a shame.Funny isn’t it how all of these managers, with actual experience of the game, are playing one up front, when everyone on message boards know that’s wrong. How on Earth can that be?
To me its horses for courses. If you have the quality of player to play one up and you have really good lads who know how to be proper wing backs then it can be good to watch and bring you rich rewards. If you have journey man type players who lack true quality and lack the fitness levels required to play the modern formations then why would you persevere with them. 4-4-2 still works even in the Prem as Leicester proved and suits clubs like Burnley who cannot afford the ridiculous fees the top clubs pay so they play to their strengths. Its a debate that will always split opinions.
I hope that our new Chef de Football has more than one recipe as his signature dish and is able to serve up a variety of tasty football. We have to be more adaptable and able to play a more aggressive & attacking style at home, and save the one up front cautious style for tricky away games ( not just 1UF for the hell of it, cos that’s what fashion demands ).
Good words Ali and Nuneaton. Even I would agree in Caldwell’s League one winning year we looked good on a few occasions but maybe this was because of your point Nuneaton,as we had the purchasing power to bring in better players for that level. At the moment we probably still have but will we dis-mantle the squad to bring in a couple of Bob, who knows?
I just find 4-4-2 much more interesting to watch than the one up top game.
Seems this is the way young Sharpey and Jackson want us to play and they run the club.Good words Ali and Nuneaton. Even I would agree in Caldwell’s League one winning year we looked good on a few occasions but maybe this was because of your point Nuneaton,as we had the purchasing power to bring in better players for that level. At the moment we probably still have but will we dis-mantle the squad to bring in a couple of Bob, who knows?
I just find 4-4-2 much more interesting to watch than the one up top game.
Seems this is the way young Sharpey and Jackson want us to play and they run the club.Do us fevour then and find a club who plays it and watch them. Lads not been measured for his kit yet and you slagging him off.
Good words Ali and Nuneaton. Even I would agree in Caldwell’s League one winning year we looked good on a few occasions but maybe this was because of your point Nuneaton,as we had the purchasing power to bring in better players for that level. At the moment we probably still have but will we dis-mantle the squad to bring in a couple of Bob, who knows?
I just find 4-4-2 much more interesting to watch than the one up top game.
Seems this is the way young Sharpey and Jackson want us to play and they run the club.Do us fevour then and find a club who plays it and watch them. Lads not been measured for his kit yet and you slagging him off.[/quote]
Who is slagging him off?, we are debating formations that’s all. LHL made a brilliant observation for most clubs playing 1 up is about it being fashionable. Because it works for some it doesn’t mean it works all the time for everybody. Like I keep banging on about it you need to have the players good enough and FIT enough to get the best out of it. If you haven’t play another way.Look at Boro this season they were worse than us at hitting the onion bag and got relegated whereas other clubs tried to be more attacking and survived. Boro didn’t have the quality of players to work it. Spurs have probably the best 3 wing backs in the country in Walker, Rose and Trippier and their lone striker got the Golden boot. I believe to play the lone striker all depends on your wing backs if they are anything else but quality don’t bother with it. 4-4-1-1 to me is next best if you have 2 good wingers who you do not need to rely on them getting back when you haven’t got the ball. Like I said this debate will split opinions.
If were gonna play Bogle up front on his jacks (which looks more than likely) we better get the wide players right. I seem to remember him playing with a guy at his side at Grimsby when they scored 47 goals in a season so without the service he might struggle which was last seasons undoing.
Hopefully Powell gets himself fit and stays at Latics because his threat from midfield will be the difference between promotion and doing a Sheff UtdGood words Ali and Nuneaton. Even I would agree in Caldwell’s League one winning year we looked good on a few occasions but maybe this was because of your point Nuneaton,as we had the purchasing power to bring in better players for that level. At the moment we probably still have but will we dis-mantle the squad to bring in a couple of Bob, who knows?
I just find 4-4-2 much more interesting to watch than the one up top game.
Seems this is the way young Sharpey and Jackson want us to play and they run the club.Do us fevour then and find a club who plays it and watch them. Lads not been measured for his kit yet and you slagging him off.[/quote]
Who is slagging him off?, we are debating formations that’s all. LHL made a brilliant observation for most clubs playing 1 up is about it being fashionable. Because it works for some it doesn’t mean it works all the time for everybody. Like I keep banging on about it you need to have the players good enough and FIT enough to get the best out of it. If you haven’t play another way.Look at Boro this season they were worse than us at hitting the onion bag and got relegated whereas other clubs tried to be more attacking and survived. Boro didn’t have the quality of players to work it. Spurs have probably the best 3 wing backs in the country in Walker, Rose and Trippier and their lone striker got the Golden boot. I believe to play the lone striker all depends on your wing backs if they are anything else but quality don’t bother with it. 4-4-1-1 to me is next best if you have 2 good wingers who you do not need to rely on them getting back when you haven’t got the ball. Like I said this debate will split opinions.[/quote]
Proabably quoted the wrong post by Donny. The thread starts:
Prepare yourselves for the latest version of the one up top illness that has infested our club since the day Jason Scotland graced our pitch
Yip it looks like we are falling for it again.
Other than that, good luck Cooky. We won’t hold our breath.
Another totally underwhelming appointment.
Will be there next season but many won’t be.
Such a shame.” it being fashionable”
It’s not about fashion – it’s simple tactical nous.
To play 2 up front requires a midfield of 4. Playing one up front enables 5 in midfield. If you play a clear two up front then you will be over-run in midfield, and no matter how many you have upfront the ball won’t get there. That’s why teams play 1 upfront wih a midfield 5.BUT – the point is what those 5 do. With the correct set-up at least one of them can provide support to the lone striker (effectively being two upfront) when attacking, but able to drop back when needed. At times of heavy pressure you can even have two of the midfield pushing forward and creating threats themselves.
Our problem at the moment is not the formation, but in the players or their understanding of their roles. Maybe with a defensively minded manager like Joyve he did not encourage that push forward. Maybe the players are too thick (sorry, unskilled) to know when to commit forward and when to drop back.
One upfront per se is not a problem, but you need to have the right players, and the right, clear guidance. Hopefully PC can provide that.
No Mr Garswood, it’s trendy and the main ingredient of a borefest.
So if we haven’t had the players, why have we had to put up with it for the last eight years?Prepare yourselves for the latest version of the one up top illness that has infested our club since the day Jason Scotland graced our pitch
Yip it looks like we are falling for it again.
Other than that, good luck Cooky. We won’t hold our breath.
Another totally underwhelming appointment.
Will be there next season but many won’t be.
Such a shame.donny, Portsmouth scored a few last season so don’t be too hasty in judging this appointment. One up front is ok when used in the correct way, which our previous lot didn’t. Maybe you might be surprised?
” it being fashionable”
It’s not about fashion – it’s simple tactical nous.
To play 2 up front requires a midfield of 4. Playing one up front enables 5 in midfield. If you play a clear two up front then you will be over-run in midfield, and no matter how many you have upfront the ball won’t get there. That’s why teams play 1 upfront wih a midfield 5.BUT – the point is what those 5 do. With the correct set-up at least one of them can provide support to the lone striker (effectively being two upfront) when attacking, but able to drop back when needed. At times of heavy pressure you can even have two of the midfield pushing forward and creating threats themselves.
Our problem at the moment is not the formation, but in the players or their understanding of their roles. Maybe with a defensively minded manager like Joyve he did not encourage that push forward. Maybe the players are too thick (sorry, unskilled) to know when to commit forward and when to drop back.
One upfront per se is not a problem, but you need to have the right players, and the right, clear guidance. Hopefully PC can provide that.
I agree with everything you have said there Garswood, but I think the gripe last season was that it was plainly obviously we didn’t have the players to play that way and the reluctance to try anything different when it wasn’t working.
I will give Paul Cook my full backing and hopefully with the likes of Powell and Gilbey in midfield and fit, his system will suit Bogle and or Grigg.Prepare yourselves for the latest version of the one up top illness that has infested our club since the day Jason Scotland graced our pitch
Yip it looks like we are falling for it again.
Other than that, good luck Cooky. We won’t hold our breath.
Another totally underwhelming appointment.
Will be there next season but many won’t be.
Such a shame.donny, Portsmouth scored a few last season so don’t be too hasty in judging this appointment. One up front is ok when used in the correct way, which our previous lot didn’t. Maybe you might be surprised?[/quote]
I am not judging his appointment. He could be a good appointment. We have had eight seasons of our previous lot not using the lone striker in the correct way and eight seasons of mostly drab boring football. Can Cooky do with this type of football what Martinez, Coyle, Rosler, McKay, Caldwell, Yootha and Barrow didn’t do?
I hope so.
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