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6 December 2025 at 6:10 pm #206481
That we’ll suddenly click and smash someone……today finally put that notion to bed. Disgraceful…….too many w@@@ players,Costelloe, Murray,François,Wright,Raphael, Saydee……a manager whose hell bent on a failed wingback system that the bang average players can’t play in. 3 games at home in 7 days……everyone a carbon copy…….It’s no coincidence now…..we are piss poor….back to passing the ball into submission. Absolutely no idea in the last 3rd….players like Murray run past anyone since Doncaster and Raphael hasn’t beaten a player at all.Free flowing attack minded football is nowhere to be seen….no creativity of last 3rd threat. 3 home games in 1 week has been shocking to sit through…….Need some January transfer activity cos this lot are dire.
6 December 2025 at 6:35 pm #206482It can’t get any worse…
..oh, it can!
My minds made up. Shite manager. Not the manager for us. If I was him, Id walk. Hes clearly not happy. Rioch needs to go as well, hes holding the club back and has too much power.
Needs a complete clean slate of a new start…and something a bit ambitious, this. Afraid to say, but the frugal outlook of the club is going to cost the owner double. A case of ‘buy shite, buy twice’. Needs a bold move, and a new outlook. Clubs dying. The non attendance today…people have had enough.
Its awful and probably the worst I can remember. Manager and club need to part…and now. No excuses, no fancy talk..its not worked. Yet if we can make a change and bring in a new outlook, we could still achieve something this season.
Ultimately the manager and team around him, and the players, are nowhere near good enough. Disgrace scraping through on pens.
6 December 2025 at 10:43 pm #206483Do you think another manager could get a different tune out these players ?.
I don’t blame Lowe, he’s tried every combo every formation and nothing works.
He’s tried 3-4-5 at the back 1-2-3 up front and every players had a chance which clearly says
The squad isn’t good enough.
Lack of investment, poor scouting at a run down club says it all.
There will be money coming in from Robinson potential move away from Fulham and Charlie Hughes when he leaves Hull
But
The big question is
What will lowe be given ?, judged on Dansons track record so far with investing Lowe will get fcuk all, not even a pot to p!ss in and that’s were the problem lies, not the current crop or the manager the problem is those in charge.
As for today?, Barrow played well they came here and gave it a go so fair do’s to them.
We played well early on, got the goal then we sat back.
If there’s two things I am totally fcuked off with is, ball to feet passing rather than ball into space and people running on to them
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Running towards any opposition then when they come face to face they sh!t bullets and turn and give it back.
Players doubting their own ability. Take Matt Smith, I rate him but he moves with the ball and it’s always ball to feet.
Where’s the diag, ? or daisy cutter ??. It’s sh!t scared safety first football.
And Brenan? he brings on Cooper first. Brenans chomping at the bit and has it in his locker but again no minutes
But the main issue is, goals from forwards. 2 centre half’s save the day today. Costelloe not good enough and Saydee ? same and don’t be shocked if one gets sent out on loan and someone else comes in in Jan.
But at the end of the day, the squads not good enough. There’s not that one player who can change a game.
I can’t thank Dansons enough for saving us but he bought a run down on its knees club which needed investment on and off the pitch.
All’s I see it all the good work off the field in the community which is great. Then there’s a new sponsor every week again great but underneath it all is a football club crumbling away and fans are slowly walking away.
If Danson pockets any potential in coming cash from the sale of either Robinson or Hughes this will be my last season ticket.
Lowe needs cash and he needs it now, whether it’s to buy 1 or 2 or simply to fund wages for a few players. Danson has to invest or it’s much the same for the next few years, paddling away in custard.
And if he doesn’t ? I think I’m done with the season ticket melarky.
There’s enough freebies flying around I’ll do as they do in Rome and scrounge a freebie if and when I go.
I’d say were I was sat today there was at least 40 missing which says it all.
Danson dip or nose dive your call pal
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6 December 2025 at 11:00 pm #206487Listen to Lowe’s comments after the game – he can’t of watched the same game as me.
Disagree slightly CW. All the formations he has tried still involve 3 at the back and I think there lies the problem. We are so vulnerable on the break out wide.
Our midfield, attack and wingers are all shit scared to take a man on and all this results in is then passing the buck onto Aimson and Fox to try and make the cross or forward pass. There’s a reason they are centre backs. Our creative players need to have the balls to create.
We must spend all our training sessions practicing penalty shoot outs coz they were quality pens. Big shout out to Aimson who cops a fair bit of stick (unfair in my opinion) but proper gets our club and never shys away
7 December 2025 at 12:11 am #206488“Disagree slightly CW. All the formations he has tried still involve 3 at the back and I think there lies the problem. We are so vulnerable on the break out wide.”
Nail. On. Head.
Been like that since Bolton absolutely dismantled us and derailed our season. We were found out by Schumacher knowing exactly how Lowe would set up, from being hos assistant at Plymouth.
Those spaces what are left behind the players playing wing backs, and then the centrebacks are having to cover, leaving more spaces in the gaps. Cardiff then clearly watched the Bolton footage and took us apart with ease, never having to fully exert themselves.
We never learn from our mistakes. Lowe never learns but the system he is playing doesn’t work. You need really proper, strong wingbacks who know their game insise-out. Gary Neville and co were discussing it recently whilst discussing the wingback issues at Liverpool, post Trent A.A. Neville was saying as a full back, he wouldn’t know how to play as a wing back, as he would always be looking to play the ball forward to a man in front of him, a winger or wide midfielder. Hungbo was just standing in, in the role, and since he was injured, Raphael has been filling in. Murray is slightly better at it, on the right. But his early season star performances have gone as well.
We are in a mess.
7 December 2025 at 7:25 am #206493So is 3 at the back with wingbacks 3 defenders or 5 defenders ? that’s the burning question because if their up the field all the time then no.
To me it’s a figure of speech because if Murray or Raphael are defenders I’ll show my starfish outside The Moon.
I’d play 4 5 1 with Robinson in three midfielders , 2 widemen, 1 up top. But like I keep harking on about, we don’t have the quality so that’s not Lowes fault.
He wants to play a system and he doesn’t have the players. Most managers up and down the country prefer a system and Lowes no different his issue right now is, does he go against his principal and bite the bullet?.
4 at the back for me is a more balanced system with the players we have at hand so I’m not quite sure what he’s thinking at this moment in time.
Playing the role of a wingback for me is the hardest position on the pitch and if your good at it I can tell you this, your not playing at Wigan.
But this 2 up top ? this has to end a.s.a.p. it doesn’t work. I’d sooner see another midfielder on and push Smith a tab forward but let’s face it, we’ve only two players in the squad of any sell on value and I wouldn’t be shocked if Tickle and Carragher are both gone come the summer.
We can write this season off, Lowe will get nothing in Jan so the best we’ll do is mid table.
It’s sad really as we’ve been so useless to been in the mix but now it’s all about surviving on scraps, make do and as for self sufficient? It will soon be 6k at home so that ain’t gonna work.
When away fans are put in home stands unsegregated you know things are bad
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