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I think it’s more a switch from 3511 to 343. Jacobs, Grigg and Hiwula were the front three but Hiwula and Jacobs as the wide men have licence to roam. Grigg doesn’t need to hold the ball up as often then and he thrives on it. You could even call it a 3421 formation I suppose as Grigg is still the middle man.
It’s all about how you read each players role and in this day and age the position isn’t as static as it once was.
Either way, it was a great comeback and a much needed 3 points.
Again against Blackpool the tempo was far too slow. It is as if we hold back and give the opposition too much respect rather than let them worry about us.
Ok JR stats in their simplest form……1 striker 55mins 0 goals .2 strikers 35 mins 3 goals.Your missing the point completely and now trying to put a nonsense argument forward and getting a thank you from Victor Meldrew. :lol:
Lets say 1 striker, 55 mins 0 goals, a goalie howler and 6 strikers 3 goals
Then lets say 1 striker 55 mins no goals, 35 mins during which 6 subs introduced, 3 goals
Then lets say 1 striker 55 mins no goals, their left back suffering with cramp last 10 mins, 2 goals.
Then lets say 1 striker playing towards the away fans 0 goals, 45 mins playing towards our own fans 3 goals.
I could go on and fekin on…
Just accept the facts and the reasons why things changed, nothing at all to do with 1 up front or 2 up front. All football matches start with teams lining up in a formation, but as the game develops it chops and changes depending on a multitude of variables. It may be one of the opposing players causing problems in a certain position, so they change to man mark, all these things crop up.
You and Donny thought we was a negative and generally crap first half not creating many chances playing one up front. I’ve put my argument forward to show and prove we did create chances and with the same luck that we had in the second half and the same clinical finishing, we would and should have been at least 3-1 up.
If you can’t comprehend that, then get ready to have another big fekin moan next Tuesday, Will Grigg if fit, will play the loan striker role again and the likes of Jacobs, Kellett, Power, Daniels and even Yanick if he signs, will have plenty of scoring opportunities, just like they did last night over the full 90 mins. :cheer:
From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!Would anyone really argue that before the subs it wasn’t crap? There were chances but it was still a negative set up and crap to watch. Without the changes to the team and the tempo we would have undoubtedly lost the game.
If we’d scored the chances which in fact were an easy header from a corner and a shot outside the box as I remember, I’m sure Gills would have come out of their 2nd gear and created more. I’m sure they hit the post and scored from 2 efforts.
Got to let teams worry about us more.
I thought the first half was a typical story of us not taking our chances and ending up behind. At times it was poor because we tried to find the extra pass when it wasn’t needed and once they went ahead they sat further back.
We should have made at least one change at half time I thought, but they started the second half far better than we did and deserved the second goal. They could even have had another two I think with one cleared and the chance from Dack (best player on the park) when he went round Jussi.
Once we made the changes we upped the tempo (which we needed to) and they struggled to handle us at times. I think most teams would if we played that all the time but physically we can’t so we need to find other ways to get control and that is through possession in Gary’s eyes.
There were plenty on there last night who were no more impressed with that first 55 minutes than the shite football played against The Donkey Lashers, Burton, Shrewsbury and Swindon and on and on. It is not just the one up front thing or us being particularly inaffective. It’s just the monotonous boring slow tempo that is just so bloody unattractive to watch. We are getting to know how the Knobbers felt when Beck played his particular version of football but in a different way. Will still go though. It’s always worth it for when El Caldwelltez makes the changes and we start to play football.
Although we did have a few chances in the first half, it was mind numbingly dull.
It was slow and boring with too many players looking for the easy sideways or backward pass just to retain possession.
I don’t think the last half hour of last nights match will influence his future team selections, but at least on the many occasions this season when the initial formation and selection hasn’t worked, he isn’t too pig headed to change things before its too late.Good point Horc but I think we are just old farts and what we witnessed in that first half is what many want to see. I respect their views. Each to their own but I would give the first half DVD to a local clinic for a a quick cure to insomnia.
Anyone who found the first 55 mins acceptable must have thought the same about most of our games this season .Plan A is to bore the arse out of us then switch to a faster tempo, more positive set up and finish all guns blazing.He’s hypnotised them so they forget the turgid crap only see the nice stuff.
The truth of the matter is that had we not missed 2 sitters and gone in at half time leading 3-1 as we could easily have done, people would have been happy. Even though we’d have still played in exactly the same way. I did actually enjoy the first half although we could have done things quicker. We created chances against a team that could have gone top of the league. The first bit of the second half was very poor though.
Thing is missed chances could have cost us the game. At times Gillingham pushed forward with four or five players. We had Will Grigg working his stones off searching for the ball like his predecessors up front. Our tortoise approach looked laborious and clumbsy.First pass go Grigg to foot in the box…goal.
Would anyone really argue that before the subs it wasn’t crap? There were chances but it was still a negative set up and crap to watch. Without the changes to the team and the tempo we would have undoubtedly lost the game.If we’d scored the chances which in fact were an easy header from a corner and a shot outside the box as I remember, I’m sure Gills would have come out of their 2nd gear and created more. I’m sure they hit the post and scored from 2 efforts.
Got to let teams worry about us more.
I agree about the tempo and urgency, but that always increases when 2-0 down at home, you have to push on and take the risk of being done on the break. Remember Dack going through one on one with the keeper and he luckily for us ballsed it up by taking an extra touch.
Watch the video of the game as I did and you will see a shot from Pearce 2 yards out with the defender wrong side of him and he it it straight at the goalie, it was a bigger blooper than the Kellett header. Then watch the diving header from Jacobs I think, when 8 yards out and not marked at all and he nearly hit the corner flag,then watch the Daniels shot from 10 yards out that he screwed wide of the post, there are more believe me, I’m not just making things up to win an argument it all happened.
The problem we had was the fact that we were 1-0 down at HT and that is the thing that gets fans negative and gloomy in the warmth of the concourse.
At 96 mins we are all coming off the ground on a high, so much so I watched the full game again when the missus went to bed.
I will take whatever formation GC wants to put out whether it be 3-4-2-1, 4-4-2, or 3-4-3, that is not the biggest problem for me, its all about tempo, being a bit quicker to get the ball forward and even more importantly and w2hat people have forgot about, defending properly.If we had lost the game 2-0 this thread would have been about Daniel’s piss poor defending for their second goal and the lack of awareness and pace Pearce showed for their first.From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!So the answer is we need a Caldwell/Martinez hybrid……one has no plan A one had no plan B.Knowing us we’d get Owen Coyle again – who had no Plan A or Plan B
Coyle was on a hiding to nothing coming to us having W-nky Wanderer in his veins.
He did however pick up on the absolute mess left by his predecessor who quickly jumped ship and took players with him after he had lead us to the Championship.
Coyle did recruit a lot of players for the Championship. The same players that went to the play-offs and an FA Cup semi-final.
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