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    jrfatfanjrfatfan
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      If Whelan is banned from all football related activities for 6 weeks, which lasts the duration of the transfer window, who will make the decisions on whether the manager gets potted, which players we sign, how much is available for transfers etc etc.

      I know everyone will say, Dave Whelan, and that will probably be right, but do we have a Deputy Chairman? Someone’s signature will have to be on Malkay’s Dear John letter if he goes or at the bottom of a players contact.

      I presume it would be Johnathon Jackson, but would the club not need to clarify this? just wondering like….

      From Matlock to ManU
      What a journey!

      #138245
      jrfatfanjrfatfan
      Player

        Sorted, Phillip Williams it is. :ohmy:

        DIRECTORS

        CHAIRMAN – David Whelan

        VICE CHAIRMAN – Phillip Williams

        DIRECTOR – John Winstanley

        DIRECTOR – Brian Ashcroft

        CHIEF EXECUTIVE – Jonathan Jackson

        From Matlock to ManU
        What a journey!

        #138246
        If Whelan is banned from all football related activities for 6 weeks, which lasts the duration of the transfer window, who will make the decisions on whether the manager gets potted, which players we sign, how much is available for transfers etc etc.

        I know everyone will say, Dave Whelan, and that will probably be right, but do we have a Deputy Chairman? Someone’s signature will have to be on Malkay’s Dear John letter if he goes or at the bottom of a players contact.

        I presume it would be Johnathon Jackson, but would the club not need to clarify this? just wondering like….

        According to an article I read on the day the ban was announced, the club decided not to appeal because essentially it makes no difference to the day to day running of the club.
        It went on to say Whelan is not involved in the day to day running of the club and is not a signatory on any incoming or outgoing deals.
        I’ve no doubt that it is Whelan who ultimately sanctions anything & if the decision is made to get rid of MacKay I am sure that ultimately it would be Whelan who would make that decision but as far as any official paperwork goes, it doesn’t have Whelan’s name on it.
        The FA are completely powerless to stop Whelan making a phone call to Jonathan Jackson to sack MacKay, appoint a new manager, sign a new player, authorise a sale, or for that matter even prove any of the these.

        Ultimately, save for Whelan not being allowed to attend matches during the ban, the ban itself is pretty much worthless

        #138247
        filmossfilmoss
        Player

          If Whelan is banned from all football related activities for 6 weeks, which lasts the duration of the transfer window, who will make the decisions on whether the manager gets potted, which players we sign, how much is available for transfers etc etc.

          I know everyone will say, Dave Whelan, and that will probably be right, but do we have a Deputy Chairman? Someone’s signature will have to be on Malkay’s Dear John letter if he goes or at the bottom of a players contact.

          I presume it would be Johnathon Jackson, but would the club not need to clarify this? just wondering like….

          According to an article I read on the day the ban was announced, the club decided not to appeal because essentially it makes no difference to the day to day running of the club.
          It went on to say Whelan is not involved in the day to day running of the club and is not a signatory on any incoming or outgoing deals.
          I’ve no doubt that it is Whelan who ultimately sanctions anything & if the decision is made to get rid of MacKay I am sure that ultimately it would be Whelan who would make that decision but as far as any official paperwork goes, it doesn’t have Whelan’s name on it.
          The FA are completely powerless to stop Whelan making a phone call to Jonathan Jackson to sack MacKay, appoint a new manager, sign a new player, authorise a sale, or for that matter even prove any of the these.

          Ultimately, save for Whelan not being allowed to attend matches during the ban, the ban itself is pretty much worthless[/quote]

          Lucky bastard, I wish someone would ban me! :)

          #138249
          Sorted, Phillip Williams it is. :ohmy:

          DIRECTORS

          CHAIRMAN – David Whelan

          VICE CHAIRMAN – Phillip Williams

          DIRECTOR – John Winstanley

          DIRECTOR – Brian Ashcroft

          CHIEF EXECUTIVE – Jonathan Jackson

          Jonathan Jackson is the signatory on contracts etc.

          The other directors you’ve mentioned are, seemingly, there to take up the free VIP ticket allocation at away games.

          #138250
          SilenceSilence
          Player

            Isn’t it Jonathan Jackson who is “the boss” who employs people?

            Just like any big company there is a Chief Executive who runs the business on a day-to-day basis, the Board give “strategic steer”.

            [Edit – Sorry SW, just seen your post. At least we agree!!]

            #138262
            MJF_EagleMick Farrell
            Player

              I’m assuming DW could not interview any potential new manager (as he normally does) during the ban so the ban could actually have some relevance.

              #138263

              I think being laid up and recovering from a knee-op for 6 weeks in the Caribbean would prevent him from interviewing managers anyway. Not that he was likely to be contemplating changing managers anyway.

              #138264
              donnys pageDonnys Page
              Player

                Whelan gave Paul Jewell time and will give Malky time. if only for one thing. Compensation he would have to fork out.

                #138266
                SammySammy
                Player

                  It will be interesting to see the level of activity in this transfer window, the results of which may give some indication as to how determined Whelan is to get us out of this predicament. There are still some high earners at the club. That coupled with the threat of the drop to League One and the end of the parachute payments would be a heavy financial burden for a club like ours. Is he prepared to take the risk?

                  #138267
                  donnys pageDonnys Page
                  Player

                    Isn’t there one more parachute payment? Could we have been any worse without them? Seems like we have only brought in journeymen in the last two years. Add to that transfer money and financially we have probably seen a much bigger income then when Whelan took us through the divisions with his own money the first time but that time we had a manager and players who were hungry and really wanted it.

                    #138268
                    SammySammy
                    Player
                      Isn’t there one more parachute payment? Could we have been any worse without them? Seems like we have only brought in journeymen in the last two years. Add to that transfer money and financially we have probably seen a much bigger income then when Whelan took us through the divisions with his own money the first time but that time we had a manager and players who were hungry and really wanted it.

                      The money involved in running a football club has substantially increased in the 10-15 years since we were moving through the leagues. As I understand it the club is financially healthy and selling players is a way of maintaining that situation. And before the question is raised once again, I don’t believe money is going into Whelan’s back pocket.

                      I think the parachute payments are over four years but decrease significantly in the last two years.

                      #138269
                      filmossfilmoss
                      Player

                        I thought that the season we got relegated the payments went up to £60m over 4 years? Now assuming that they are equal payments, £30m So far to a club that wasn’t faring too badly financially to start with is a big wedge and that sort of money coming in should not see us 2nd from the bottom and 5 points from safety ! So many questions at the moment points to big turmoil right through the club!

                        #138272
                        SilenceSilence
                        Player

                          No, Phil.

                          It’s £48 million in all over 4 years – paid as £16m, £16m, £8m and £8m.

                          #138280
                          donnys pageDonnys Page
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                            Agree with Sammy there. Money has probably never gone in Daves pocket, more likely on overpaid players and agents and all the hangers on etc it takes in running a PREMIER lEAGUE/ CHAMPIONSHIP CLUB.
                            Football finance just doesn’t make sense anyway, just look at Rovers and Noblot millions and millions in debt. That just doesn’t happen in the non football world.

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