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I wasn’t sure at the time but having watched it again it should never have been a yellow card. Ball to hand…
Similar to Rooney and McCarthy’s head to elbow incident.
Mancini’s response indicated that he probably had a better view than me and the fact he zealously waved no card, rather than a red or yellow one in the direction of the officials, suggests that he too thought it was ball to hand.
Rooney on the other hand should have been banned for months and I’m sure will be very warmly received when he returns here soon.
I’m better than Caldwell
That, I find very hard to believe.
We’ve already had Griff say he was better than Gohouri a couple of weeks ago – and I thought that was touch and go.[/quote]
Sorry Standish i’m afraid your right, it was a not very well thought out statement ;)
I’m better than Caldwell
That, I find very hard to believe.
We’ve already had Griff say he was better than Gohouri a couple of weeks ago – and I thought that was touch and go.[/quote]
Sorry Standish i’m afraid your right, it was a not very well thought out statement ;)[/quote]
Glad you’ve admitted you’re wrong.Had you said you were better than Gohouri I might have believed you, but Caldwell? That’s pushing it a bit….
Sorry I was wrong, there were two Wigan players that may have got back to make a tackle before Aguero got anywhere near the box.You have to be taking the pish with that statement surely???
At the moment of the handball, other than Figueroa, the only other Latics player in the camera shot is Gary Caldwell.
Caldwell himself must be at least 15 yards away. Aguerro isn’t standing still, he’s just starting his sprint having seen that Figueroa has misjudged the flight of the ball. Even from a trotting start Caldwell at full sprint wouldn’t have caught Aguerro. Figueroa wouldn’t have caught him as his momentum was still carrying him forward in the air & he would have had to have waited to hit the ground, stop, turn & then sprint by which time Aguerro would have been 15-20 yards away
The camera angle at the moment of the handball covers an area that must be 50 yards wide & their is not a single other Latics player in shot. I think the next nearest player is Alcaraz who is nearer the City penalty area than he is to the half way line.The only debate really is whether a player with a 1 on 1 run at the keeper from the half way line is an obvious goal scoring opportunity. i think it is but I can understand those who say there are too many things that could have happened from the half way line to the goal to say it was obvious – one of those things however is not him being caught by Caldwell, Figueroa or Alcaraz unless Aguerro was to suddenly lose the ability to move!!!!!
Sorry I was wrong, there were two Wigan players that may have got back to make a tackle before Aguero got anywhere near the box.
You have to be taking the pish with that statement surely???
At the moment of the handball, other than Figueroa, the only other Latics player in the camera shot is Gary Caldwell.
Caldwell himself must be at least 15 yards away. Aguerro isn’t standing still, he’s just starting his sprint having seen that Figueroa has misjudged the flight of the ball. Even from a trotting start Caldwell at full sprint wouldn’t have caught Aguerro. Figueroa wouldn’t have caught him as his momentum was still carrying him forward in the air & he would have had to have waited to hit the ground, stop, turn & then sprint by which time Aguerro would have been 15-20 yards away
The camera angle at the moment of the handball covers an area that must be 50 yards wide & their is not a single other Latics player in shot. I think the next nearest player is Alcaraz who is nearer the City penalty area than he is to the half way line.The only debate really is whether a player with a 1 on 1 run at the keeper from the half way line is an obvious goal scoring opportunity. i think it is but I can understand those who say there are too many things that could have happened from the half way line to the goal to say it was obvious – one of those things however is not him being caught by Caldwell, Figueroa or Alcaraz unless Aguerro was to suddenly lose the ability to move!!!!![/quote]
There was more chance of me catching him from the West Stand than Caldwell getting there.He was the last man, so if taken to the letter of the law surely that’s a sending off?
The laws of the game don’t mention anything about a last man. In the case of a handball it states you can dismiss a player from the field of play for deliberate handball if they “deny the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal scoring opportunity”.
For me that’s an obvious goal scoring opportunity even if Figueroa was in his own half as Aguerro would have been clean through on goal & the chasing defender (who at the moment of the handball was the distance of half the centre circle + 3 or 4 yards away) was Gary Caldwell who wouldn’t have caught him in a month of Sunday’s. This leaves the City forward in a 1 on 1 with the keeper & in my book is an obvious goal scoring opportunity.
Having looked on a ref’s website this morning though not every ref sees it that way[/quote]
Is there a law mentioning ‘the last man’ for fouls – or is it just common myth and hearsay? If there is, surely you should also have it included for handballs like that?It was one of the most blatant sendings off I’ve seen for a long while in my opinion, and I can’t see how it can be debated otherwise.
For the record, I’m glad he wasn’t send off.[/quote]
Its just myth
The law for fouls states a player can be sent off for a foul if he “denies an obvious goal scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards players goal with an offence punishable by a free kick or penalty kick”.
It is something you can take into account when deciding if its an obvious goal scoring opportunity but it isn’t necessary to send a player off. Remember the Chelsea game at home in Bobby’s first season when one of the Chelsea players was sent off – i can’t remember the exact circumstances but I was reffing that day & got back to here the pundit on Sky Sports saying he wasn’t sure if it was a sending off coz there were covering players. It didn’t matter though coz if the foul hadn’t been committed there was an obvious goal scoring opportunity so the ref got it spot on
What one should take into consideration here is that there is no consistency with the top flight refs as of this time !! As the rules go he should have walked but he got lucky so I guess all the ref decisions don’t go against us after all !!
The sooner Fig goes to left wing back with less defensive duties the better. He is dangerous going forward but sometimes in defence he plays like a 6 year old.
He also passes the ball like 6 year old, or he’s colour blind, or both.
But apart from him not being able to tackle, being frequently caught out of position, constantly giving the ball away, liable to panic and make the wrong decision, he’s not a bad player![/quote]But in my humble opinion was still the pick of our back 3 :ohmy:[/quote]
My post was a tad ironic but nevertheless I’m wondering why you thought he was any better than Caldwell or Alcaraz last night?[/quote]I’m better than Caldwell, he is absolute shite and Alcaraz just seems to drift in and out of the game. What the fuck was he doing when City scored??? if you can’t win the header at least make sure the striker can’t.[/quote]
Thanks for your well reasoned, perceptive and informative response.[/quote]No probs Sammy any time
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