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I suggest you read the question it says the VERY top. Gary Walsh didnt represent England at Senior level.
He only made 50 appearences for United, in 4 seasons then went out to such sides as Oldham & Bradford. Not exactly the pinnacle of his career. :angry-banghead: :angry-banghead:I think what you were trying to say was the answer to my question was….None.
Zero.
Zip.
Feck all.Which is the same number who featured in 38 league matches last season.
And the Season before.
And the one before that.
And the one before that.Strange isnt it that the world’s most popular sport has not had a Wigan born or produced player feature since Leighton Baines upped sticks and signed for his home-town club.
Its been 7 years since you reached the premiership and 9 years since you reached the Championship. That means you are established as a “big” club. So where are the members of the youth team of 2003/4, 2004/5 etc? Were they all so crap that they were chinned off? How about the kids that would have signed youth forms in 2006 for a “Premier League” club – where are they?
Face it – Wigan is the “Lost City of the Incas” when it comes to developing home grown footballers.
Looks like the placky mackem’s still taking the bitter pills!
2 England Under 21 caps suggests he did make it.
or are we talking winning the world cup as reaching the very top?
Otherwise, the answer is the same as the answer to the question I posed (ie none).
Does that make you proud? It makes me cringe with embarrassment to think that out of all those football pitches and all those amateur clubs, not a single Wigan lad has managed to represent his home town club in 6 Premiership seasons.
How long can you continue importing foreign mercineries and claim they represent the town, and be taken seriously?
2 England Under 21 caps suggests he did make it.or are we talking winning the world cup as reaching the very top?
Otherwise, the answer is the same as the answer to the question I posed (ie none).
Does that make you proud? It makes me cringe with embarrassment to think that out of all those football pitches and all those amateur clubs, not a single Wigan lad has managed to represent his home town club in 6 Premiership seasons.
How long can you continue importing foreign mercineries and claim they represent the town, and be taken seriously?
Didn’t these mercineries donate £1 million to a local charity Mutts
proberbly eqivelent to the total egg turnover for two years
What a hypocrite, going on about home grown players playing for their home towns, so as a born and bred Wigan lad the clown chooses to support sunderland!
Forgive me for not knowing the exact details but I am sure that last season McManaman & Nicholls played in the senior squad, it may have been in the cup but none the less they still played for the 1st team.
Oh & if you think playing Under 21s is making it you are more deluded than most of us first thought.
For your information in the last 20yrs (Since Sky invented football) there have only been 4, YES 4, players to reach the top after starting in a clubs youth set up & staying with that club to win trophy after trophy as well as represent a home nation.
Gary Neville & Ryan Giggs have won every domestic trophy as well as the Champions League trophy & represented their respective countries.
Jamie Carragher & Steven Gerrard are the other 2 who have won every domestic/european trophy (Bar the Premier League)
Those players have MADE IT! :greetings-cya:2 England Under 21 caps suggests he did make it.or are we talking winning the world cup as reaching the very top?
Otherwise, the answer is the same as the answer to the question I posed (ie none).
Does that make you proud? It makes me cringe with embarrassment to think that out of all those football pitches and all those amateur clubs, not a single Wigan lad has managed to represent his home town club in 6 Premiership seasons.
How long can you continue importing foreign mercineries and claim they represent the town, and be taken seriously?
You know what would make me cringe with embarrassment Mutty? Supporting a team years ago, and stopping supporting them simply bacause the club was in trouble and some supporters had the nerve to ask other supporters to contribute to help pay a players wages. Ring any bells Mutty? When the going gets tough Mutty bogs off.
And the only reason Wigan have so many local players in the squad is because they have to. You know as well as I do that if the rules allowed it you’d have Anzacs all over the field. I’m sure there are Aussies playing/played for you that weren’t officially classed as such because you found a loophole or a way to bend the rules.
Didnt they once bring an aussie over just for a cup final, surely a young lad from wigan could of took his place, :dance:
Forgive me for not knowing the exact details but I am sure that last season McManaman & Nicholls played in the senior squad, it may have been in the cup but none the less they still played for the 1st team.Oh & if you think playing Under 21s is making it you are more deluded than most of us first thought.
For your information in the last 20yrs (Since Sky invented football) there have only been 4, YES 4, players to reach the top after starting in a clubs youth set up & staying with that club to win trophy after trophy as well as represent a home nation.
Gary Neville & Ryan Giggs have won every domestic trophy as well as the Champions League trophy & represented their respective countries.
Jamie Carragher & Steven Gerrard are the other 2 who have won every domestic/european trophy (Bar the Premier League)
Those players have MADE IT! :greetings-cya:Paul Scholes?
It’s true to say English football teams need to develop more local talent, none more so than Latics.
After a rapid rise up the leagues we now have a manager who is putting systems in place to make the best of the youth we attract to this club.
But please, this RL obsession with fielding local talent is nothing more than an acceptance the game has failed to develop beyond it’s M62 heartlands. The RFL would like nothing more than to have stars from Wales, London, Scotland and European nations.
The financial and media dominance of RU is sweeping RL aside, the forthcoming World Cup will be an event of national and international importance. Players like Ashton will become household names, financially set-up for life, guaranteed huge sponsorship deals and future careers in the media.
It’s only a matter of time before the remaining quality RL players, of which there are still a decent number, are snapped up by RU clubs in preperation for future World Cups.
Even the biggest RL fans know the game is at a crossroads, the occasional day in the sun on the BBC, who treat the sport like a charity case, cannot cover up the games fundamental shortcomings.
RU used to be overly reliant on the national game, now it’s club game is becoming a force, European competitions are developing into major money spinners.
In short, one game is becoming a viable financial and media rival to football, the other is increasingly revelling in it’s local, inward looking status. Claiming they follow the greatest game while bemoaning 99.9% of the worlds population who don’t give a fig.
So long as the RL establishment and it’s fans don’t accept there’s a world outside the M62, they’ll be happy to be on the front page of the WEP after a cup win and a paragraph or two in the national papers.
Good post :clap:
As a RL fan the main things about our game that annoy me are the idiots that run it, and the fact that not as many people watch the sport as it deserves. It has everything a sport should have. Intensity, skill and passion. Every week you literally get 26 men who put their bodies on the line.
The idiots that run the game try to promote the sport in other areas without actually planning it. They just throw a team into the deep end and say right off you go get a 10k crowd. They advertise the game to people like me who know about it already. They must spend a fortune sending me things about the Magic Weekend for example instead of telling people in Cardiff who usually ask what we’re doing there. The people who run Rugby Union beat us hands down at marketing and probably have a worse product (my opinion as a fan of both of course)
I know some of you class RL as a big game of british bulldog but I think that is just a blinkered and biased view in the same way as when people call football ponceball and claim its just kicking a pigs bladder around. To play any sport at a top level you have to have some form of skill and RL players have it in abundance.
I’ve compared the rugby/football debate many times to religion in that just because more people support one than the other doesn’t make it the best and in the same way you’ll never convert someone from one to another easily or get them to respect your beliefs but imho RL is the greatest sport in the World and a good game of RL will beat a good game of any other sport you can name and I watch several.
I enjoy rugby league. I’ve enjoyed playing it at school & uni & I watch it from time to time on the telly.
As I told my wife’s uncle the other month when he said he’d convert me to a “proper sport” whilst I enjoy it & don’t enjoy it enough to spend my hard earned cash to go & watch it on anything like a regular basis (think I’ve been to somet like 6 games in my life as a paying spectator – coincidentally there has been crowd trouble at all bar 1 of them but I digress!!!)Anyway, in a response to The Egg’s post rugby league/the northern union has been in existence now for nearly 120 years. Everyone knows about it but for whatever reason/s it has little popular appeal outside of a few very small geographical regions. The RFL need to recognise that & concentrate on strengthening the sport within those heartlands as opposed to flogging a dead horse & spending fortunes trying to promote the sport in Wales, the north east, London etc…. The result is that clubs which were the heartbeat of the sport for over a 100 years are cast aside for repeatedly failed attempts to “spread the gospel” & franchises are given to the likes of Gateshead, Crusaders & co ahead of true rugby league clubs like Leigh, Featherstone..
The attempts to push the rugby league “World Cup” on an almost completely disinterested public (plenty of rugby leaguers I know consider it a waste of time & money) are laughable and the RL authorities need to stop trying to be something they’re not
On the local players making it good. I’d love to see more Wiganers making it at Latics but if the RL fans can’t see why that is far less likely in football than in RL then the debate is pointless
Agree. We should concentrate on the heartland clubs but it doesnt stop us trying to promote the game if we do it correctly. Crusaders were making very steady progress on and off the field in 2008 and after another 3 years could have been in a position fos Super League.
Instead, the RFL threw them into the deep end and 3 years later they’re dead.And still people go on about attendances when we both get around 13,000 home fans per match. Are you all blind or can you not see there is no case for pointless arguing. Wigan Warriors are top of the league in a Challenge Cup final and are reigning champions. That means they are top of the dogs in the Rugby League world. Wigan Athletic compete in the top league of the biggest in the world with to be fair considerably more competition from other leagues. Two different sports, Two different fan bases, Two teams equally as passionate, Give it a rest for christ’s sake, It makes no sense to argue who has the most hundred fans every week. Maybe if people would stop arsing about annoying people about it both fixtures would have a full home attendance. The same applies to the Rugby lads too, I would agree they are worse for it and are more resentful that the Latics are competing at a top level and have taken some of the limelight.
Im a complete neutral, I love both and always have so i am not saying anything that is wrong. I hear what both set’s of fans say.
And still people go on about attendances when we both get around 13,000 home fans per match. Are you all blind or can you not see there is no case for pointless arguing. Wigan Warriors are top of the league in a Challenge Cup final and are reigning champions. That means they are top of the dogs in the Rugby League world. Wigan Athletic compete in the top league of the biggest in the world with to be fair considerably more competition from other leagues. Two different sports, Two different fan bases, Two teams equally as passionate, Give it a rest for christ’s sake, It makes no sense to argue who has the most hundred fans every week. Maybe if people would stop arsing about annoying people about it both fixtures would have a full home attendance. The same applies to the Rugby lads too, I would agree they are worse for it and are more resentful that the Latics are competing at a top level and have taken some of the limelight.Im a complete neutral, I love both and always have so i am not saying anything that is wrong. I hear what both set’s of fans say.
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until this drug infested pitman hobby gets it’s own national stadium or introduces relegation or promotion……………………it shall remain @ it’s current status…………….A LAUGHING STOCK….now go and wind that engine up at the pier theres a good girl
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