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It obviously won’t surprise many to learn that I am pro-Martinez. This is not necessarily because I believe him to be the finished article as a coach, far from it in fact.
One of the reasons I give him my support is because I have no great expectation of this club ever having the financial muscleambition to attract the really top players and managers. “Ever”, in this case, meaning as long as Whelan is in control – not a criticism of Whelan, by the way, just a fact.
That being the case, I personally think it unrealistic to except this club to be a regular top 10 team. I think we will always struggle, regardless of the type of football we play, and that being the case I would like to see us fail trying to play football rather scrapping like dogs. That’s just my preference.
Under the not-so-rash assumption that our budgets and transfer strategy will remain the same as in recent seasons, ie buy raw and cheap and sell-on where possible, I would be interested to hear the views of those who want Martinez out to answer the following:-
1) – realistically, approximately what league position do you think Wigan as a club should be aiming to finish on a regular basis?
2) – which manager/managers do you think would/could come in to achieve the level of success you picked in 1)?
3) – how long would you give your preferred manager to achieve the target set in 1) given that you have only given Martinez one season to achieve his given target of surviving.This is not a loaded or antagonistic question. I am genuinely intrigued to know what people’s expectations are and how they expect them to be achieved.
For me, I would be broadly happy with anything from 16th-10th every year, although obviously the success of one season’s 15th, for example, can be viewed differently to another’s depending on how that particular season panned out. I’d like to think that Martinez can achieve that over the coming years. That said, a few more 8 and 9 drubbings next season might make me change my mind.
Answers on a postcard please.
1) 12th
2) Dave Jones
3) 1 1/2 to 2 seasons
There’s no sign of Martinez getting it right. If there were signs, he could have all of next season for me. 36 points, 79 goals shipped, minus 42 difference. That can’t, by any stretch, be described as going the right way.
For me, I would be broadly happy with anything from 16th-10th every year
This seasons relegation strugglers could become European challengers next season, and vice versa.
It’s too simplistic to say we need to be ambitious and push for Europe, the first goal is Premiership safety, if we can achieve that early in the New Year, then we can make a push for Europe.
Looking at what Fulham have achieved, playing in a positive way, should give us some belief at least. They are a similar sized club to ourselves with a fairly similar history if your looking back over 20 years. Any higher just isnt possible in the current football climate, unless some middle east fella becomes best mates with DW.
Me, im still just grateful to be in the Premier League. I dreamt of this for years. Il admit it isn’t always as glamorous as once expected but its still the biggest league in the world.
the best post i have read on here
the .one thing you do as a manager is get the defence right stop leaking goals / steve bruce did this . like him or hate bruce he sorted that out / thats why to me bob needs a coach behind him not 2 dummys who we have now
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the best post i have read on here
the .one thing you do as a manager is get the defence right stop leaking goals / steve bruce did this . like him or hate bruce he sorted that out / thats why to me bob needs a coach behind him not 2 dummys whresulhave nowUnder Steve Bruce we got the results against the lesser sides in the prem and even when 1-o down we didn’t fold like we do now. Although, when Martinez gets it right, it’s perfection. I would rather us play the style of football that brought us 11th in the league in the 08/09 season, not too scrappy not too neat.
Whelan if your reading this, $P3ÑD $P3ÑD $P3ÑD $P3ÑD*
*spend
Whelan if your reading this, $P3ÑD $P3ÑD $P3ÑD $P3ÑD**spend
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Whelan if your reading this, $P3ÑD $P3ÑD $P3ÑD $P3ÑD*
*spend
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spend what? invisible money like Pompey?
can know one on here see that its the backroom staff who the bloody hell will take any notice of graham barrow / graham jones
can know one on here see that its the backroom staff who the bloody hell will take any notice of graham barrow / graham jonesI refer the Honourable Gentleman to my response on Sunday evening
http://www.cockneylatic.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3593
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