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With Bayerns demolition of Barca last night, and Dortmund taking Real Madrid apart tonight, is it revealing a change of dominance and power within European football?
If it ends up Bayern Munich V Borussia Dortmund in the Champions League final at Wembley, it will be a great ocassion, and hopefully a great game.
It will also show that a more economically run league can produce successful teams on the international stage. Dortmund have invested massively in youth and bringing players through. And whilst Bayern are more prone to spending big money, including completing a deal this week to sign Goetze FROM Dortmund in the summer, they too have made the most out of homespun talent, such as Schweinsteiger and Lahm.
And the German national team benefits from all this. Truly, German football is in a great state. Plus its far more fan friendly, with your matchticket also including transport on the local subway etc to the match and back.
It puts the Premier League to shame.
A season ticket in that massive stand behind the goal costs €140.
Almost all teams put on free trains for away fans.
Bundesliga has been the best run league in the world for years and now they are seeing the results.
A season ticket in that massive stand behind the goal costs €140.Almost all teams put on free trains for away fans.
Bundesliga has been the best run league in the world for years and now they are seeing the results.
That terrace at Dortmund is perpetually sold out. Unless someone dies and you inherit their ticket, there’s no chance.
German railways (Deutsches Reichsbahn) work closely with the clubs and help to put the schemes on. For such a smaller country, our network is fragmented into different rail network providers. We are a nation obsessed with profit, where as Germany are more into progress.
how long have i been saying this for !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11…the premier greed league is no longer top of the tree….the only tree it is top of is the shirt sales tree in asia
3rd league in europe……..AND NOW YOU’LL ALL BELIEVE ME…….. HALLELUJAH
how long have i been saying this for !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11…the premier greed league is no longer top of the tree….the only tree it is top of is the shirt sales tree in asia3rd league in europe……..AND NOW YOU’LL ALL BELIEVE ME…….. HALLELUJAH
It’s happened once (and hasn’t yet). It happened with the PL too.
how long have i been saying this for !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11…the premier greed league is no longer top of the tree….the only tree it is top of is the shirt sales tree in asia3rd league in europe……..AND NOW YOU’LL ALL BELIEVE ME…….. HALLELUJAH
The Premier League is, and will be for the foreseeable future, the most watched football league in the world (as long as Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal and more recently, Chelsea, are playing in it.)
German football is going through a purple patch at the moment, but like German food or German music, they’re functional and quite pleasant, but will never have the same appeal as the offerings from other countries.
The money will always be there for English football, and while the money is there, the quality will be there. So, yes the English teams have done poorly in the Champions League this year, it doesn’t mean the Premier League is going backwards – far from it.
Don’t forget, in the past ten years, at least one English club has been in seven of the Champions League Finals.
Also, the English finalists have been four different teams as opposed to two different teams from both Germany and Spain.
I’d say that’s the sign of a strong league as opposed to a league with a couple of dominant teams.
I’ve taken a passing interest in german football since I used to watch Sgorio on S4C when i was a student in Wales & I adopted St Pauli as my german team.
To be honest, which league is better or worse in terms of general quality & how many Champions league finalists & so on that it produces doesn’t interest me, but in terms of how it treats its supporters & the focus of who the sport should be run for – The german league is head & shoulders above the Spanish, English & Italian ones. Cheap tickets, free travel (some friends of mine went watching Stuttgart from memory & were flabbergasted when told it was free if you had a match ticket – compare that to current Virgin return ticket prices to go to the final on a Sat & come back on the Sun), safe terracing, no one person/group allowed to own more than 51% of any club.
Can you imagine the German FA agreeing to hold their cup final at an incovenient time for the supporters of both clubs purely so that more people can watch it on TV & hence satisfy the terms of the contract they have with the companies that provide it
And on a personal taste level, I much prefer the general german style of play to that in Italy & particularly Spain which can often bore me rigidOh look, a well run football club, who offers great value season tickets with a family club mentality.
If all these armchair football hipsters from Wigan were genuinely bothered about all the above they’d realise there’s a club identical to that on their doorstep.
The German Bundesliga averages more fans (on terraces) than the premier league and has done for a number of years. They have more clubs averaging over 40k per game than we do.
Ticket pricing will play a big part in that i’m sure.The German Bundesliga averages more fans (on terraces) than the premier league and has done for a number of years. They have more clubs averaging over 40k per game than we do.
Ticket pricing will play a big part in that i’m sure.you may be surpried to know borussia dortmund is the best supported club in europe (no. supporters passing through turnstiles)
1 borussia dortmund 80,000 (sell out)
2 / 3 man united / barcelona (73, 75…forget which way round …)
Oh look, a well run football club, who offers great value season tickets with a family club mentality.If all these armchair football hipsters from Wigan were genuinely bothered about all the above they’d realise there’s a club identical to that on their doorstep.
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The German Bundesliga averages more fans (on terraces) than the premier league and has done for a number of years. They have more clubs averaging over 40k per game than we do.
Ticket pricing will play a big part in that i’m sure.you may be surpried to know borussia dortmund is the best supported club in europe (no. supporters passing through turnstiles)
1 borussia dortmund 80,000 (sell out)
2 / 3 man united / barcelona (73, 75…forget which way round …)[/quote]
No – Barca was top 2011-12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_attendances_of_European_football_clubs
However for this season it could be BVB
All in all it seems to be a very well run league were the paying spectator seems to count in the grand scheme of things.I think the powers that be in this country could learn a thing from the german fa,but i dont hold my breath that it will happen
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