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Thought we’d signed an Indian tribe, but it was Chey Dunkley. Young upcoming defender, does that mean he is one for the bench?
Thought we’d signed an Indian tribe, but it was Chey Dunkley. Young upcoming defender, does that mean he is one for the bench?He’ll be a starter. Highly rated.
Burn will stay. We are an ambitious club and that’s why Cooky left the new money at Portsmouth and a much bigger club by joining us.
Burn will stay. We are an ambitious club and that’s why Cooky left the new money at Portsmouth and a much bigger club by joining us.Hope your right lad I’m convinced we have the players always have been we just had poor managers who simply couldn’t get it right. If we keep the same squad as finished the campaign and just tweak it I don’t see how we wont in the promotion picture.
Burn will stay. We are an ambitious club and that’s why Cooky left the new money at Portsmouth and a much bigger club by joining us.
Hope your right lad I’m convinced we have the players always have been we just had poor managers who simply couldn’t get it right. If we keep the same squad as finished the campaign and just tweak it I don’t see how we wont in the promotion picture.[/quote]
Poor managers didn’t help but we didn’t have the players to survive in the Championship either – certainly “up top” anyway.
We went into that division last season with exactly the same front line as we’d had the season before & it contained 1 guy released/sold on 2 occasions by Championship clubs (Grigg), another sold/released on more than one occasion by a championship club (Jacobs) & one we’d bought the season before who was sold by a Championship club (& the other clubs in that division weren’t exactly beating a path to his door to get him in when it was obvious that he was for sale) to us not 6 months before. That should have had the warning lights flashing yet the club hierarchy were arrogant enough to assume that coz it had worked in Lge1 it would work in the Championship but all 3 lacked the guile & nouse for a higher level &, bar Wildschut, lacked the pace needed as well.
The midfield was one paced & couldn’t get up to support the lone front man quick enough.
In Bogdan & Haugaard we also had 2 of the worst keepers that I’ve ever seen don the Latics glovesJoyce was awful & he took a poor team & made it worse but I think part of his tactic was governed by the knowledge that the squad he inheritted wasn’t good enough in these areas. Like I said though his signings & tactics only made it worse.
But we had 3 different managers who all approached the games differently but we got poor results under them all. That to me suggests the quality of the players (in certain areas) was to blame
Burn will stay. We are an ambitious club and that’s why Cooky left the new money at Portsmouth and a much bigger club by joining us.
Hope your right lad I’m convinced we have the players always have been we just had poor managers who simply couldn’t get it right. If we keep the same squad as finished the campaign and just tweak it I don’t see how we wont in the promotion picture.[/quote]
Poor managers didn’t help but we didn’t have the players to survive in the Championship either – certainly “up top” anyway.
We went into that division last season with exactly the same front line as we’d had the season before & it contained 1 guy released/sold on 2 occasions by Championship clubs (Grigg), another sold/released on more than one occasion by a championship club (Jacobs) & one we’d bought the season before who was sold by a Championship club (& the other clubs in that division weren’t exactly beating a path to his door to get him in when it was obvious that he was for sale) to us not 6 months before. That should have had the warning lights flashing yet the club hierarchy were arrogant enough to assume that coz it had worked in Lge1 it would work in the Championship but all 3 lacked the guile & nouse for a higher level &, bar Wildschut, lacked the pace needed as well.
The midfield was one paced & couldn’t get up to support the lone front man quick enough.
In Bogdan & Haugaard we also had 2 of the worst keepers that I’ve ever seen don the Latics glovesJoyce was awful & he took a poor team & made it worse but I think part of his tactic was governed by the knowledge that the squad he inheritted wasn’t good enough in these areas. Like I said though his signings & tactics only made it worse.
But we had 3 different managers who all approached the games differently but we got poor results under them all. That to me suggests the quality of the players (in certain areas) was to blame[/quote]
Grigg and Bogle would have been a lot better in a team who attacked and actually tried to score goals. It is dead easy to use the “couldn’t make the step up” cliche to mask the real problem. Stats don’t lie. Any forward scores a percentage of the chances he gets the more chances obviously the more goals he gets.We created very little yet expected the forwards to score when we did. If our players were so bad then how come,
We were only relegated next to last game of season
Out of the 24 games lost 22 were by a single goal
We failed to score in 20 games.
Surely that tells us that the policy of playing not to lose backfired spectacularly. Does anyone honestly think that the players would have enjoyed the way they were asked to play. No wonder the form of certain players suffered but it shouldn’t make them the scapegoats for the piss poor way they were managed. Caldwell and Joyce got us relegated the lads were doing their jobs and obeying instructions. Some players granted should never have been allowed near the team but again its down to the management and yet again would have affected the morale and form of the team. Lets see this season under a lad who has a proven record as a coach how much the lads improve on the field.
Grigg and Bogle would have been a lot better in a team who attacked and actually tried to score goals. It is dead easy to use the “couldn’t make the step up” cliche to mask the real problem. Stats don’t lie. Any forward scores a percentage of the chances he gets the more chances obviously the more goals he gets.We created very little yet expected the forwards to score when we did. If our players were so bad then how come,We were only relegated next to last game of season
Out of the 24 games lost 22 were by a single goal
We failed to score in 20 games.
Surely that tells us that the policy of playing not to lose backfired spectacularly. Does anyone honestly think that the players would have enjoyed the way they were asked to play. No wonder the form of certain players suffered but it shouldn’t make them the scapegoats for the piss poor way they were managed. Caldwell and Joyce got us relegated the lads were doing their jobs and obeying instructions. Some players granted should never have been allowed near the team but again its down to the management and yet again would have affected the morale and form of the team. Lets see this season under a lad who has a proven record as a coach how much the lads improve on the field.
The signs were there last season that Grigg would find the step up a struggle. He has the brain to get in the right positions to get goal scoring opportunities but he isn’t blessed with pace & at a higher level he needed that as the defenders he’s up against are that much fitter & faster. His slower pace was there last season as were games when he missed plenty of sitters in a team that was creating loads – logic should have dictated that he would get fewer chances & he couldn’t afford to be as sloppy in his finishing at times.
These were the reasons that Michael O’Neill didn’t play him during the Euros & why he was stuck behind players in the pecking order that many at Latics considered inferior to him.
Same with the likes of Power, Perkins, Warnock, Jacobs etc..As for Bogle none of us have any idea about whether he’d actually be good enough in a Championship team that tried to attack as he was stepping up 2 divisions
Also, I’m sorry but if you’re going to use the argument that we only got relegated in the next to last game, only lost by more than 1 goal in 2 games as proof that the players weren’t that bad then you can’t not apply the same argument to the 3 managers we had.
Don’t get me wrong, we had 3 poor managers but you can’t escape the fact that the players weren’t good enough either. We attacked early doors under Caldwell & lost, then went defensive under him & lost. They were defensive under Joyce & lost. They were defensive in some & attacking in others under Barrow & still lost – different managers using in many cases different players & none of them were good enough (players or managers).
That squad is good enough to stroll Lge1 next season if it’s kept together. However were Latics to be put back in the Championship next season under Cook they would still struggle
Thought we’d signed an Indian tribe, but it was Chey Dunkley. Young upcoming defender, does that mean he is one for the bench?
He’ll be a starter. Highly rated.[/quote]
By who?, some fans reckon he’s not the best ball player more of a straight forward get rid defender. To be highly rated you need both attributesThought we’d signed an Indian tribe, but it was Chey Dunkley. Young upcoming defender, does that mean he is one for the bench?
He’ll be a starter. Highly rated.[/quote]
By who?, some fans reckon he’s not the best ball player more of a straight forward get rid defender. To be highly rated you need both attributes[/quote]Say’s who?
A defender’s job is to defend. If you can play the ball out – then it’s bonus.
Dan Burn came with the reputation of being a liability and a hoof-merchant at Fulham, and that didn’t turn out too badly did it?
Forget what some of the Oxford fans are saying about him. That’s what fans do when a player leaves your club for one of your league rivals.
He was linked to Birmingham and Forest before we signed him, and this lad seems to rate him:
http://oxblogger.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/aint-nobody-like-chey-dunkley.html
I know a couple of Oxford fans. They are sorry to see him go – they rate him.
“He’s a bit of a no nonsense defender and scores a few goals
I’m sorry to see him go”
You make it sound as though a couple of top clubs were after Dunkley (Forest and Birmingham) and we should be grateful for his signature.
Don’t forget Forest and Birmingham only escaped relegation by the skin of their teeth, last season those two were has bad as us! I cant imagine why this lad didnt make the step up to the Championship if he had the chance or did Forest and Brum lose interest?
Fuck the EFL
You make it sound as though a couple of top clubs were after Dunkley (Forest and Birmingham) and we should be grateful for his signature.Don’t forget Forest and Birmingham only escaped relegation by the skin of their teeth, last season those two were has bad as us! I cant imagine why this lad didnt make the step up to the Championship if he had the chance or did Forest and Brum lose interest?
They did only just escape relegation, but they are still in a league above us and are bigger clubs.
What I’m getting at is, he was obviously on the radar of other clubs – and is obviously rated highly enough for them to be enquiring about him.
Thought we’d signed an Indian tribe, but it was Chey Dunkley. Young upcoming defender, does that mean he is one for the bench?
He’ll be a starter. Highly rated.[/quote]
By who?, some fans reckon he’s not the best ball player more of a straight forward get rid defender. To be highly rated you need both attributes[/quote]Say’s who?
A defender’s job is to defend. If you can play the ball out – then it’s bonus.
Dan Burn came with the reputation of being a liability and a hoof-merchant at Fulham, and that didn’t turn out too badly did it?
Forget what some of the Oxford fans are saying about him. That’s what fans do when a player leaves your club for one of your league rivals.
He was linked to Birmingham and Forest before we signed him, and this lad seems to rate him:
http://oxblogger.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/aint-nobody-like-chey-dunkley.html%5B/quote%5D
“corners lead to goals, something largely been missing from our game for nearly two decades”.
I think we can relate to this quote from that article.. All’s we need now is someone who can deliver a corner kick.. :dry:
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