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26 September 2013 at 1:27 pm #121498
He has announced that if Labour win the next election his government will freeze energy bills and repel the bedroom tax all very well and good but will he actually do it ?
I think he’s caught the tories out with this one meaning there is now a divide in the political landscape from his point of view he will be seen has on the side of the consumer against the big energy companies where as Cameron now has to defend his pals in the city and has what as been stated the average joe public is in effect £1500 worse off than five years ago
26 September 2013 at 4:34 pm #121504California’s governor pledged the same thing a good few years ago….and they suffered electricity blackouts. Milibean is clutching at straws at best. When you are a Company, you have an obligation to return value to shareholders who put their money into companies, that’s how companies can expand, take on more workers and grow. Catch 22 really, without investors, companies will cease to expand and allow their competitors to take their market space. Having a government restriction on payments to privately owned companies for services such as energy and it has an impact on shareholder’s decision to invest in a UK company or one abroad which will return better value.
Agree more should be done to help people, but as usual, the root cause of the problem is not being identified…Usual Labour blaming the big Corporates rather than looking a bit closer to home.
26 September 2013 at 5:26 pm #121507There’s no reason why a govt capping energy charges to customers should have to result in electricity blackouts other than those firms trying to protect their profits & thus shareholders but that is the nature of capitalism & a govt either has to work with it or replace it – imposing restrictions on it such as that don’t work.
In all honesty however, the move is all hot air anyway in that it sounds good but will have little practical impact on consumers. He’s not promised to force them to reduce charges & he’s not promised to impose an indefinite freeze. He’s proposed to freeze it for 2 years after the next election (if elected). A quick search on the internet will bring you up a whole list of tarrifs including loads which are capped/fixed for 2 years. All the energy companies would do if Labour were to be elected is to adjust/increase all those flexible tarrifs & fix em all for 2 years. Anyone whose existign fixed tarriff came to an end during this govt “freeze” would then have to move on to the new fixed tarrifs & see an increase anyway but the companies would be able to argue that they’re complying with the new restrictions.
In short, it sounds good in a soundbite but the punter in the street will see little or no benefit anyway
26 September 2013 at 7:02 pm #121510California’s governor pledged the same thing a good few years ago….and they suffered electricity blackouts. Milibean is clutching at straws at best. When you are a Company, you have an obligation to return value to shareholders who put their money into companies, that’s how companies can expand, take on more workers and grow. Catch 22 really, without investors, companies will cease to expand and allow their competitors to take their market space. Having a government restriction on payments to privately owned companies for services such as energy and it has an impact on shareholder’s decision to invest in a UK company or one abroad which will return better value.Agree more should be done to help people, but as usual, the root cause of the problem is not being identified…Usual Labour blaming the big Corporates rather than looking a bit closer to home.
Shareholders returns < old people scared to put heating on. Energy markets are a prime example that giving these private corporations the freedom to do what they want does not benefit the working classes. They have had ten years to manipulate the markets and beat their record profits year after year while hiring people on sub standard wages and offering no job prospects to the youth of Britain. All the while everyone's prices are going up year on year. Its not labour blaming the big corporates its Labour finally standing up to them.
26 September 2013 at 8:33 pm #121517I find it ironic that the big companies are threatening blackouts because there profits will be effected if the boot was on the other foot and the workers came out on strike due to poor pay working conditions etc they would be accused of being militant
26 September 2013 at 8:37 pm #121518California’s governor pledged the same thing a good few years ago….and they suffered electricity blackouts. Milibean is clutching at straws at best. When you are a Company, you have an obligation to return value to shareholders who put their money into companies, that’s how companies can expand, take on more workers and grow. Catch 22 really, without investors, companies will cease to expand and allow their competitors to take their market space. Having a government restriction on payments to privately owned companies for services such as energy and it has an impact on shareholder’s decision to invest in a UK company or one abroad which will return better value.
Agree more should be done to help people, but as usual, the root cause of the problem is not being identified…Usual Labour blaming the big Corporates rather than looking a bit closer to home.
Shareholders returns < old people scared to put heating on. Energy markets are a prime example that giving these private corporations the freedom to do what they want does not benefit the working classes. They have had ten years to manipulate the markets and beat their record profits year after year while hiring people on sub standard wages and offering no job prospects to the youth of Britain. All the while everyone's prices are going up year on year. Its not labour blaming the big corporates its Labour finally standing up to them.[/quote] Have we had a successful privatisation at all anywhere along the line ,trains ,gas electric, water ,planes ,steel,all have let prices go through the roof whilst pay as lagged considerably well behind all the above where said to be a burden on the taxpayer yet still we fund them through other means ie price hikes whilst tax remains the same
26 September 2013 at 8:58 pm #121521Depends what you consider successful.
Privatisation clearly benefits the few people at the top of the food chain but not the many.
The best one is selling off the majority of Royal Mail and then saying to people they can buy shares in it as if they didn’t already own the fucking thing in the first place.
Tories main focus has been on the war against welfare yet Labour is trying to highlight the rising cost in living for everyone.
I don’t think Labour are perfect by any means but peoples political opinions are effected too much by what paper they read nowadays rather than taking a good hard look at where they sit in society, who is representing their best interests and who is trying to keep them down for the benefit of themselves.
26 September 2013 at 9:38 pm #121528Meanwhile in cloud cuckoo land which is Number 11 Downing Street Gideon is taking on the European courts to protect the bankers bonus’s useing tax payers money in the process to win his argument whilst back in reality some old dear is wondering if she can put some heating on this winter :evil: :evil: :evil:
2 October 2013 at 2:01 pm #121746I don’t like the fella in the same way I don’t really like Owen Coyle. I don’t think they’re up to their respective jobs.
However, watch Ed’s popularity rise now he’s taking on the Daily Mail story about his dad. Could turn out to be poll winning imo.
2 October 2013 at 2:14 pm #121747I don’t vote and haven’t done for years, they are all a bunch of lying bastards who piss in the same pot !
2 October 2013 at 2:23 pm #121750As much as I appreciate your viewpoint and agree with it partly, voting is a good idea even if you voted MRLP. Not voting shouldn’t really be an option for any number of reasons.
2 October 2013 at 2:57 pm #121754What you have to understand is that whoever gets voted in they are controlled ! Forget the politicians, the politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice but you don’t. You have no choice, you have owners, they own you, they own everything. There is a big club and you and I aint in it, never will be !
2 October 2013 at 6:49 pm #121764but the french and russians sorted out those special clubs in the end ie kill the bstds
dont forget cameron has a 2.5 millon house lives for free at number ten and his famous words are we are all in this together
time is coming when we will have nothing to live for but everything to die for2 October 2013 at 6:53 pm #121766I own you filmoss
I am in that club
I am ITK illuminati
10 October 2013 at 8:11 pm #122120Well here we go again a price rise of 8.2% from the SSE power company just in time for the cold weather season just what the public need
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