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Fair point, I can’t say it is a fact. But, everyone must see (with the exception of these idiots) that the football is more pleasing to watch.
Griff is right, ts all down to personal taste. Personally I agree more with LMB in that I find the vast majority of the football we’ve produced under Martinez to be boring & pedestrian
I don’t like the sideways, backwards & going nowhere passes that ultimately seem to end (the majority of times) in a school boy error or with a lack of running at pace with the ball making the lack of movement off the ball meaning its nigh on impossible for the team to break defences down. The high rate of possession in some games to decent chances created gets embarrassing at time (IMO)
Its not helped with an attitude when the team doesn’t have the ball of allowing the opposition the time & space to knock it roundAll personal taste but I like my football to be high tempo, blood & thunder stuff & not the boring mudane stuff I’ve witnessed so far under Bobby. And it isn’t just down to it not being successfully implemented under martinez as I also found the stuff served up by Spain in the World Cup to be boring in the extreme
As Griff says it doesn’t make me right & you wrong or vice versa
I like our style of play, much rather watch us keep the ball and control the pace of a game rather than play the percentages with a long ball forward with players gambling on a centre forward winning the ball. Our overall play is more exciting than under Steve Bruce which is a fact. We have technically good footballers and I admire the way we play, as do a lot of other latics fans.LMB why comment on a thread which says get behind the team and the town when all you are going to do is put something negative? Its like you crave attention, a lot like Bickymon.
Forget this clown and get behind the players, manager and club. Last season when we needed a win against one of the ‘big’ teams we stepped up to the plate.
have a look at the first post again – yes that was the title -but it then descended into a rant about anyone who does not buy into the martinez theory of football -talks drivel and does not understand football.
the trouble with all you martinez is god fans is it really is you lot that doesnt understand football -you have become so blinkered by a dream that is not there you cant see anything else –
you all claim that bruce’s style of football was long ball stuff, thats not quite the full picture – it was high tempo strong quick counter attacking when at its best and some hoof at its worst , dont get me wrong it was far from perfect but he had enough about him to realise something that martinez hasnt grasped yet – defence is king to lesser teams
the trouble with martinez is he is to rigid with his system and formations – yes much of what he does is right but it should be mixed up with some long ball stuff and more so getting men in the area with perhaps nzogbia and moses getting to the byline and getting crosses in every now and then.
my whole point in everything i have ever said is if little teams like us try and out football the better teams with better players we will get stuffed – and if we try the same against the hoofers and muscle teams of this league we will also get stuffed – the only way to survive and prosper is to be cleverer than the rest – be unpredictable and have the ability to change the system when required and have a group of players that have some backbone regardless of footballing ability.and the major concern i have is i dont see any of the things i think we need under martinez.
the trouble with all you martinez is god fans is it really is you lot that doesnt understand footballAnd who, precisely, are all these “Martinez is God” fans on this site? I’d like you to name them.
the trouble with all you martinez is god fans is it really is you lot that doesnt understand football
And who, precisely, are all these “Martinez is God” fans on this site? I’d like you to name them.[/quote]
you for one -now name the “darkside” –
like i have said time and time again -its ok for everybody in the pro martinez camp to use any term/insult they think fit but if you dare to offer any alternative view and try and use a group description for them we(the darksiders) are wrong again.
you for one -now name the “darkside” –like i have said time and time again -its ok for everybody in the pro martinez camp to use any term/insult they think fit but if you dare to offer any alternative view and try and use a group description for them we(the darksiders) are wrong again.
You’re paranoid, man. There is a distinct difference between supporting what the manager is trying to do and thinking he is a god.
For example, I support the manager but some of the things he does baffle me. But, he is allowed to make mistakes. We all are. Even you. Not that you would of course.
I do not think Martinez is God. By the same token neither have I ever considered any previous Latics managers to be “God”.
You seem to be under an illusion that only you can see what’s wrong with Martinez and his system and anyone who tries to put forward a more balanced view is an idiot and knows nothing about football. It is arrogance of the highest order and is p!zzing people off. Are you doing it to wind people up? If so, then congratulations. You’ve succeeded.I do not think Martinez is God. By the same token neither have I ever considered any previous Latics managers to be “God”.
You seem to be under an illusion that only you can see what’s wrong with Martinez and his system and anyone who tries to put forward a more balanced view is an idiot and knows nothing about football. It is arrogance of the highest order and is p!zzing people off. Are you doing it to wind people up? If so, then congratulations. You’ve succeeded.so tell me what the more balanced view is –
the trouble is nobody puts a balanced view foward -if anybody dares to slate martinez the non-loyal,not a true fan,and you know nothing about football comments kick in thick and fast, this whole thread started that way
as i said before all i ever hear(granted not as much now) that everything under bruce was hoof it rubbish,and we have to accept the new regime warts and all without any comment because its the right way to play just because arsenal and barcelona do it that way,its also the way they play in italy i might add, and how many go out of their way to watch the italian league any more in fact the mundane boring highly technical stuff played there was the reason people stopped watching it worldwide.I think the more balanced view is that the system being played under Martinez has many deficiencies but he should be given a chance to get it right and make it work and that the greater of the two evils would be to sack him.
I think the more balanced view is that the system being played under Martinez has many deficiencies but he should be given a chance to get it right and make it work and that the greater of the two evils would be to sack him.How long is a sufficient chance though???
IMO he’s had the best part of 18 months & is still making the same mistakes & showing the same inflexibility now as he was back in August 2009
As Griff says, we all make mistakes but you have to learn from them. Bobby seems to persist with the same ideas even when the majority of evidence shows that they aint working
Actually in his defence he does seem to have made significant improvements to the team defending (well we’re conceding less goals at leat) & the collapses so common last season & at the start of this seem to have gone too so maybe he is very slowly learning but just how long does he get given for his supporters to say enough is enough?
I think the more balanced view is that the system being played under Martinez has many deficiencies but he should be given a chance to get it right and make it work and that the greater of the two evils would be to sack him.and my last ever questions on martinez – how long do you suggest we give him – christmas – until we are relegated -or until we are in a mid to low position in the championship. ?
we are the lowest scorers – second highest conceeded team in the league do we just plod on like that or change something ?
P 11
W 2
L 7
D 2
F 10
A 17
Pts 8
gd -7or
P 11
W 2
D 4
L 5
F 20
A 8
Pts 10
gd -12the first set of results got chris hutchings sacked -it seems 2 draws are keeping martinez in a job.
I think the more balanced view is that the system being played under Martinez has many deficiencies but he should be given a chance to get it right and make it work and that the greater of the two evils would be to sack him.
How long is a sufficient chance though???
IMO he’s had the best part of 18 months & is still making the same mistakes & showing the same inflexibility now as he was back in August 2009
As Griff says, we all make mistakes but you have to learn from them. Bobby seems to persist with the same ideas even when the majority of evidence shows that they aint working
Actually in his defence he does seem to have made significant improvements to the team defending (well we’re conceding less goals at leat) & the collapses so common last season & at the start of this seem to have gone too so maybe he is very slowly learning but just how long does he get given for his supporters to say enough is enough?[/quote]
I don’t know how long a “sufficient chance” is. I dare say many managers have been sacked without being given a sufficient chance. My view is that at this point in time to sack Martinez would be the wrong thing to do.I think the more balanced view is that the system being played under Martinez has many deficiencies but he should be given a chance to get it right and make it work and that the greater of the two evils would be to sack him.
and my last ever questions on martinez – how long do you suggest we give him – christmas – until we are relegated -or until we are in a mid to low position in the championship. ?
we are the lowest scorers – second highest conceeded team in the league do we just plod on like that or change something ?
P 11
W 2
L 7
D 2
F 10
A 17
Pts 8
gd -7or
P 11
W 2
D 4
L 5
F 20
A 8
Pts 10
gd -12the first set of results got chris hutchings sacked -it seems 2 draws are keeping martinez in a job.[/quote]
It’s not a case of how long WE give him, only one man will decide that and it seems he’s not for sacking him yet.
Chris Hutchins should never have been given the job in the first place. I never understood why Whelan did that unless it was a stop-gap until someone else was available.It’s not a case of how long WE give him, only one man will decide that and it seems he’s not for sacking him yet.
Chris Hutchins should never have been given the job in the first place. I never understood why Whelan did that unless it was a stop-gap until someone else was available.thats how i feel about martinez and for the life of me other than past sentiment -i dont understand why he was other than what i have said elswhere- that whelan gave us the peoples champion we wanted and if and when it goes tits up it would not be his fault.
he had many of the same credentials as paul ince and as managers they had achieved similar – there are striking similarities in what happened at black burn with ince and what is happening with us -blackburn realised in the nick of time change was needed – will whelan or again is this all part of his exit strategy.
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