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so if martinez isnt going to be sacked, how about getting someone in to help, esp to organise our defense properly,make us harder to beat, i realised would be seen to be undermining the manager, but something has to be done
bin caldwell, mccarthur and put watson on corner/set piece taking practise, play 4-1-3-2. a bit of extra help in front of defense (reverse sweeper like) di santo maloney up front and don’t allow hugo to shoot from all over knocking someone’s hip flask out their hand.
2-1 wigan
sounds like that position is tailor made for hendry thomas……….im joking by the way
Good shout Appley mon and i posted the same months ago.I just wished he had a decent mentor to seek advice in times such as now someone with vast knowledge and experience. Even if it was in a short term consultancy role to get RM moving in the right direction to becoming a really good manager. A Frank Macklintock / George Graham type who has been around the top level for yonks.
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so if martinez isnt going to be sacked, how about getting someone in to help, esp to organise our defense properly,make us harder to beat, i realised would be seen to be undermining the manager, but something has to be doneWho says he hasnt already got someone?
Good shout Appley mon and i posted the same months ago.I just wished he had a decent mentor to seek advice in times such as now someone with vast knowledge and experience. Even if it was in a short term consultancy role to get RM moving in the right direction to becoming a really good manager. A Frank Macklintock / George Graham type who has been around the top level for yonks.If you’re saying that Martinez needs some help then you’re basically saying that he isn’t good enough & needs somebody else in to tell him what to do & where he is going wrong.
If that is the case then to be frank it means that he isn’t good enough & should be sent on his way otherwise he is just wasting valuable wage space when he is “manager” but someone else is telling him what to do.
And how would it work? I stated this the other week when someone mentioned it but rewind back to the Bolton game & Bobby shows his line up to new guy. New guy turns round & asks if Bobby is having a laugh, that team will get torn apart. Does Bobby acknowledge that error & ask the new guy what line up he should put out (& then you’re back to the point of why is Bobby there in the 1st place) or does Bobby tell new guy that he knows what he’s doing, that it’ll work & he isn’t changing his mind (& then you get to the point of what the hell is the new guy doing there if Bobby ignores the advice)?Bobby is either good enough or he isn’t. If he needs someone in “above” him then he isn’t good enough
It’s not someone above him, but alongside.
Bruce had Black, Jewell had Hutchins. Many managers have a trusted number 2 alongside them who provides good advice.
I’m afraid the problem in my opinion is not that Martinez isn’t good enough, but the support isn’t.
Isnt Dave Watson still here – im sure he knows a bit or two about defending, maybe ask him to start teaching them the basics ….
It’s not someone above him, but alongside.Bruce had Black, Jewell had Hutchins. Many managers have a trusted number 2 alongside them who provides good advice.
I’m afraid the problem in my opinion is not that Martinez isn’t good enough, but the support isn’t.
Complete & totally passing the buck.
Martinez is the manager just as Jewell & Bruce were. Bruce appointed Black, Jewell appointed Hutchings & Martinez appointed Jones & Barrow.
Jones & Barrow are who Martinez told Whelan he needed as his “trusted number 2’s” to make his project work & in the case of Jones (& his scout & keeping coach from Swansea) they cost alot of money to bring to the club.
Again if you’re saying that these people aren’t good enough then the buck stops with the person who appointed them & it brings into question his judgementThe same principle applies here as it does to bringing someone new to work in above him. Do you say to Bobby pick a new assistant coz the ones you have are useless & how would he react? Do you say here is a new assistant coz your current ones are useless & as you chose em we don’t trust you to be able to make the right choice this time either? What happens if you let Bobby choose & his new assistants do nowt to improve the situation? What happens if Whelan appoints one & Bobby & them keep clashing over coaching, tactics, formations????
The squad is Bobby’s, the coaching staff are his, the tactics are his, the formation is his etc.. If things aren’t going right it can’t be Bobby’s fault can it? No it must be Graeme Jones’s!!
The original post contended that Martinez needed someone to help him (or ASSIST him), particularly with the defence.
He has an ASSISTANT manager alrwedy and also, I understand, someone who helps with the defence.
Now, you might think that all three of them are rubbish and need replacing, but you can’t legitimately say they aren’t in place already.
who helps with the defence, is that dave watsons role, if not who does?
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