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11 November 2010 at 4:48 pm #50752
I think that if Blackpool get fined for making 10 changes to their team last night, and Holloway resigns as he has said he will (if they get fined) then it is time to pack in football. Everything is always made in favour of the big clubs. I really wish they’d do this European super league and all the so called big clubs do one to an even greedier league.
Ian Holloway has these players at his club in good faith. He must rate them as being good enough to play at this level? Surely it’s up to him who he picks? It stinks. You have a squad of players. Some of them will be foreigners. They have to play a percentage to qualify for their work permit. (Holloway picked Richard Kingson in goal last night)Yet you can be punished for making wholesale changes? What an absolute ‘crock’ it is. Yet Man United and the other so-called big clubs tend to get away with it these days, probably because of ‘sympathy’ to their European commitments. Oh boo bloody hoo! It should be a case of tough-titty on them for qualifying through their success.
All this ‘let’s make things easier’ for the bigger clubs totally gets on my wick. There was nothing wrong with that team that Holloway put out last night. They were unlucky not to get something from Villa.As a football fan, I totally support Ian Holloway, as I totally supported Mick McCarthy last season when he made a load of changes. A managers job is to do what he thinks is best for HIS club, nobody else. McCarthy thought they had a better chance of beating Burnley on the Saturday, than they did United at Old Trafford. He was proved right as well. I think it’s getting ridiculous when the men in suits can have a say in what team you select. Isn’t it about time the men in suits backed off a bit?
11 November 2010 at 5:05 pm #50753Correct Vat, i had to read it a few times last season before i understood what exactly Wolves were getting fined for. What rule are they breaking exactly. Its fucking stupid. If that is the case, A team should only consist of 11 players and if one is injured or suspended or drained etc then the clubs will have to rely on emergency loans. Thats my crazy justification of it anyway. i would love to hear the F.A’s reasoning. If they arent allowed to play their players then why are they allowed to sign them.
11 November 2010 at 5:27 pm #50754To be honest, the Wolves fine was suspended so in reality they haven’t been punished at all.
That said, I have always been of the opinion that any player you have registered as a player with the Premier League should be allowed to play in any game. Especialy now, with the 25-man squad rule.
11 November 2010 at 6:05 pm #50758I agree with all that has been said.
The European League of Greed can’t come soon enough for me. Get rid of the so called ‘big four’ and promote four extra teams from the Championship.
11 November 2010 at 6:21 pm #50761I have to be honest & say that I agreed with the FA’s stance on this last season & I’d agree if they charged Blackpool for it
For me, its not a case of them picking on the smaller clubs, its a case of a club sacrificing any attempt to pick up anything from a game & as such gifting points to the opposition – say for example now that Villa become embroiled in a relegation battle with us & Villa stay up by virtue of the 3 points they picked up last night from Blackpool when in their game/s against us they put out at first choice XI & take maximum points.
I understand that a manager is employed by a club to look after them but I don’t agree with that method used last night. Yes players get tired, carry knocks, may need to be rested and football is a squad game but I can see no justification in making 10 changes. Nor do I buy the line that “he must think they’re good enough else they wouldn’t be in the squad” coz for me if they aint in the starting XI its coz the manager doesn’t think they’re good enough to be & whilst he may be happy having a few of them standing in for his first choicers if he was made to play with the second choicers all season then he’d know they’d struggleI think they should have thrown the book at Wolves last season but they’ve set a precedent now & if they don’t give Blackpool a similar punishment then its out of order
I don’t agree with the “the big clubs do it all the time” line either – When Ferguson, Wenger or Ancelloti make more than the odd change they do so with the intent of still trying to win the game. When a team like Blackpool or Wolves do it in the league, IMO, they are doing so in order to sacrifice those 3 points in order to give 100% to a game they think more winnable
It doesn’t sit right with me
11 November 2010 at 6:51 pm #50764It’s an awkward one this.
From my own perspective, I remember being as angry as %”&^ when Liverpool put a team of reserves out against Fulham in 06/07, which gave Fulham a win that kept them up and nearly sent us down. However I was chuffed to bits when Pompey fielded a bunch of kids against us at the end of last season. Not though that one made any difference though; we were dismal that night.
However what galls everyone is the inconsistency. Whether it is 10 changes as per Blackpool last night, or a couple of changes that top4 teams make prior to a Champions League game, the principle is still the same to me; i.e. they’re both keeping players out from one game for what they consider are more important games ahead. If you fine one, you should fine the lot.
11 November 2010 at 7:04 pm #50767Our first Premiership season we fielded a very weakened team against Newcastle in the league cup. We all thought that was ok as it was our first season in the big league and the important thing that season was staying up no matter how we did it. We tonked Newcastle that night and nobody said a word and we had a great season. Wolves stayed up last year and if Blackpool do the same then fair do’s. What difference does it make to any opposition who comes up against a stronger or weaker side. They are paid to beat what is put in front of them. If they lose thats the weakened teams problem. The F.A should stay out of it, Otherwise fine Man Utd for fielding a weakened squad if they draw AFC Wimbledon in the F.A Cup 3rd round.
11 November 2010 at 7:33 pm #50771shorthousemuir has provided a good example of why i don’t think its right
I too was angry as f00k when Liverpool did that especially as they’d put out a full strength side against us a week or 2 earlier
Personally I just think its wrong that a team can decide it will sacrifice 3 points in one game (and regardless of what anyone says both McCarthy & Holloway would nto have expected to get a single point out of those games) & it creates an unlevel playing field & could eventually lead to accusations of collusion between various clubs“The F.A should stay out of it, Otherwise fine Man Utd for fielding a weakened squad if they draw AFC Wimbledon in the F.A Cup 3rd round”
“Whether it is 10 changes as per Blackpool last night, or a couple of changes that top4 teams make prior to a Champions League game, the principle is still the same to me; i.e. they’re both keeping players out from one game for what they consider are more important games ahead. If you fine one, you should fine the lot.”As I said before I do think that there’s a difference. If Ferguson made 10 changes for an FA Cup tie against Wimbledon then he would still be doing so with the intent of winning the game. Likewise when they rest a handful of players befroe a champions league game – they are still aiming to win the game
IMO if a club like Blackpool, Wolves or even Latics makes 10 changes against a “bigger” club they are doing with the intent (whether they openly admit it or not) of losing that game and as I said I don’t think its rightActually I do remember John Deehan making about 8 or 9 changes for a good friday game away at Bristol Rovers & we got tonked 5-0 with about the only effort from latics all game a shot that went about 20 yards over. I was fecked off at the time & even more fecked off when we played Burnley (I think) a few days later & beat them 4 or 5-0 & Deehan said his team selection against Bristol Rovers was justified coz they’d won the Burnley game & it made us pretty much safe from relegation (as it happened we still had an outside chance of reaching the play offs prior to the Bristol Rovers game)
I won’t go to a cup game if a Latics manager makes it clear that they’re making big changes – if the manager doesn’t treat whatever competition with his full respect then why shoudl they expect me to feel any differently & fork out my hard earned cash for it13 November 2010 at 4:20 am #50923IMO if a club like Blackpool, Wolves or even Latics makes 10 changes against a “bigger” club they are doing with the intent (whether they openly admit it or not) of losing that game and as I said I don’t think its rightAbsolute bo110x….because as a ‘progressive’ referee you fall into the sycophantic ways of the paymasters. As Mr Holloway, quite rightly says, “it is the managers decision to play who he feels will win the game”….FFS….Blackpool scored two goals -away from home – and were unlucky not to have won the game. We all know about the “25 man squad” rule….it’s about time the FA put down their ‘cigars and port’ and got in touch with the people who pay their wages………
13 November 2010 at 5:01 am #50927IMO if a club like Blackpool, Wolves or even Latics makes 10 changes against a “bigger” club they are doing with the intent (whether they openly admit it or not) of losing that game and as I said I don’t think its right
Absolute bo110x….because as a ‘progressive’ referee you fall into the sycophantic ways of the paymasters. As Mr Holloway, quite rightly says, “it is the managers decision to play who he feels will win the game”….FFS….Blackpool scored two goals -away from home – and were unlucky not to have won the game. We all know about the “25 man squad” rule….it’s about time the FA put down their ‘cigars and port’ and got in touch with the people who pay their wages………[/quote]
Agree Mr CIf you have a squad of 25, you have deemed that squad of 25 to be of a suitable standard to represent your club in cup or league. Providing you select from within that squad, what is the issue?
The next step is to fine managers over tactics that are too negative against certain teams, and too gung-ho aginst others.
13 November 2010 at 10:14 am #50934It’s quite disconcerting SW, but your last post – once again – is almost word for word identical to a comment I made to mates at work yesterday.
This is happening far too often now. Did your dad have a bike?
13 November 2010 at 10:57 am #50936It’s quite disconcerting SW, but your last post – once again – is almost word for word identical to a comment I made to mates at work yesterday.This is happening far too often now. Did your dad have a bike?
Well Griff, Papa Standish did have a bit of a reputation as a young man.
Either that or we must have attended the same Whelan Youth selection camps.
13 November 2010 at 11:01 am #50937Plus, we appear to be the only two board members up at this ungodly hour on a Saturday morning
13 November 2010 at 11:15 am #50938Plus, we appear to be the only two board members up at this ungodly hour on a Saturday morningAnd I bet you also have Scooby Doo or something similar on the TV.
13 November 2010 at 11:50 am #50939Oggy and the Cockroaches. Fortunately, they’ll both be going out soon and leaving me with 3 hours of pre-match peace
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