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I think the idea behind fining clubs for fielding so called weakened teams is understandable. As mentioned in previous posts, there are good arguments for and against it. It says a lot about the state of the Premiership when clubs feel the need to adopt such tactics in attempt to stay in the league.
If Blackpool field a weakened side against (eg) Man Utd, the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Spurs and Liverpool complain.
However, if that weakened side contained players eager to prove their worth, who were unknown to Man Utd, and who then played out of the skins and won the game, would Sir Alex have justification to lodge a complaint that he should have been playing against the first team, as these were not the players he was expecting to come up against, he has not had them scouted, and therefore the other clubs who have played and won against the usual players have had an unfair advantage?
That’s why, in my opinion, it’s a silly rule, and anyone from the squad of twenty five should be allowed to play no matter what the importance of the game or who the opposition are.
The 25-man squad thing should be the clear line in the sand for me.
If the league is saying that no-one outside of the 25* is allowed to play at all, then surely the tacit implication is that anyone inside it can play. There has to be such a hard and fast rule, otherwise the decision becomes totally subjective and one man’s opinion against the next man’s.
And we know only too well from this board how tetchy things become when opinions are involved.
* yes I know you can pick embryos from outside the 25-man squadThe 25-man squad thing should be the clear line in the sand for me.If the league is saying that no-one outside of the 25* is allowed to play at all, then surely the tacit implication is that anyone inside it can play. There has to be such a hard and fast rule, otherwise the decision becomes totally subjective and one man’s opinion against the next man’s.
And we know only too well from this board how tetchy things become when opinions are involved.
* yes I know you can pick embryos from outside the 25-man squad..And to quote the milk advert that made Accrington famous again…’Exactly’
You get your 25 man squad and you can do what you want with it.
This point can be proven easily if 4 posters where willing to reply with their top 6 current premier league footballers to this post – positions dont matter as long as there is one keeper. Who are your top 6 Premier League Footballers, based on the current season.
four replies and i will prove that the Premier Leagues argument is unenforceable.
The 25-man squad thing should be the clear line in the sand for me.
If the league is saying that no-one outside of the 25* is allowed to play at all, then surely the tacit implication is that anyone inside it can play. There has to be such a hard and fast rule, otherwise the decision becomes totally subjective and one man’s opinion against the next man’s.
And we know only too well from this board how tetchy things become when opinions are involved.
* yes I know you can pick embryos from outside the 25-man squad..And to quote the milk advert that made Accrington famous again…’Exactly’
You get your 25 man squad and you can do what you want with it.[/quote]
Quite right
a chum of mine, who lives on the Fylde Coast, tells me of the ‘outrage’ felt in the Blackpool Camp. Holloway has ‘two’ teams he likes to play – and as alluded to earlier, it keeps the other teams and managers guessing. It’s about winning and staying in the premier league for them and Holloway is too much of his own man, and honest to boot, to faf around with stupid tactics.
When it doesn’t ‘fit’ the Dame Trevor Brooking model it would appear that the ‘lower’ teams have deemed to have cheated…………. as ‘Dave’ said earlier, is this the end of football as we know it?
The fact that Holloway feels confident enough in making 10 or 11 changes should really be applauded, and he actually deserves praise for building a squad which gives him this flexability. And it is sensible. No way can players such as Brett Ormerod be expected to play every game of the season.
It’s funny, because this season Blackpool are the media’s ‘darlings’ the little club punching above their weight and making some waves (no pun intended) in the top flight of English football. They are being met with smiles and praise this season. However, if they survive, they will soon find out that like ourselves, Hull, and Reading in recent years, the second year ‘syndrome’ will kick in and they will just be another little club who ‘shouldn’t be in the top flight’. (I’m expecting Cardiff to become the new ‘darlings’)
I’ve noticed plenty of sly digs aimed at Wolves and Stoke this season, whilst we are never too far from a ‘crowd’ comment or sly put-down, ourselves.IMO if a club like Blackpool, Wolves or even Latics makes 10 changes against a “bigger” club they are doing with the intent (whether they openly admit it or not) of losing that game and as I said I don’t think its right
Absolute bo110x….because as a ‘progressive’ referee you fall into the sycophantic ways of the paymasters.[/quote]
Eh???????
As for the other comments, I can understand those arguing about the 25 man squad rule & the FA have made a bit of a rod for their own back with that one
But maybe its my old school way of thinking when it comes to football. As far as I’m concerned you can have a squad of however many players you want but a manager will always have his first choice XI – the players he thinks who together give him his best team. The rest of his squad don’t make that first choice XI because he thinks the other players are better than them. He may well be happy with all of them being able to “step in to the breach” from time to time but they are there as back up because they aren’t good enough to start every week
IMO if a manager changes all but one of those first choice XI he won’t expect to win that game (regardless of the 3-2 scoreline last week) & it creates an unlevel playing field for the other teamsPersonally i don;t buy the “Ian Holloway likes to have 2 teams” so he can keep the opposition guessing who he will play” line someone posted further up this thread. If you asked Ian Holloway what his “strongest” starting XI was I can guarantee you that it would not include Richard Kingson in goal & that’s where (IMO) the “he has a squad, he can pick who he wants from it argument” falls down
I sit on Tyldesley’s side of the fence on this one. Allowing clubs to change their entire teams from one game to the next depending on who they play can’t be right.
he can pick who he wants from it argument” falls down
It just doesn’t though. He CAN pick who he likes because they are his squad, I’ve just never heard so much nonsense, This league has gone, Unless you are a top 5 or 6 club you don’t count. Is fecking rubbish. Arsene Wenger’s reserves and youths tonked us a couple of years ago. He picked them because he thought they were good enough and they bloody were. The sooner a salary cap is introduced by FIFA the better, Sky will crap themselves and then hopefully the most biased commentary and analysis team in history will go elsewhere, might i suggest ESPN, a la Redknapp, Gray e.t.c
he can pick who he wants from it argument” falls downIt just doesn’t though. He CAN pick who he likes because they are his squad, I’ve just never heard so much nonsense, This league has gone, Unless you are a top 5 or 6 club you don’t count. Is fecking rubbish. Arsene Wenger’s reserves and youths tonked us a couple of years ago. He picked them because he thought they were good enough and they bloody were. The sooner a salary cap is introduced by FIFA the better, Sky will crap themselves and then hopefully the most biased commentary and analysis team in history will go elsewhere, might i suggest ESPN, a la Redknapp, Gray e.t.c
Fair points……well made fella.
It just doesn’t though. He CAN pick who he likes because they are his squad, I’ve just never heard so much nonsense, This league has gone, Unless you are a top 5 or 6 club you don’t count. Is fecking rubbish. Arsene Wenger’s reserves and youths tonked us a couple of years ago. He picked them because he thought they were good enough and they bloody were. The sooner a salary cap is introduced by FIFA the better, Sky will crap themselves and then hopefully the most biased commentary and analysis team in history will go elsewhere, might i suggest ESPN, a la Redknapp, Gray e.t.cThe rules, at present, say a manager cannot deliberately field a weakened team and I believe there are guidelines in place which define what can and cannot be done.
Do you think it was OK for Liverpool to field a weaken team against Fulham three years ago.
http://www.sportingo.com/football/a3315 … ote/389186
Having said all that fining clubs – especially the big boys – is not really a deterrent.
It’s entirely up to the manager, I went to Stoke for an F.A Cup game in our promotion season from Div 2, We got beat, 3-0 i think, i remember Greenacre and Iwelumo scoring anyway, My point is, sure it was disappointing to see the team Jewell had selected when we arrived but hell, we were top of our league, After christmas and in the end we went up as champions and didnt care about that result. As Blackpool won’t if they stay up
Fans wont care if they believe its for the good of the club. Real fans would’t anyway.Like i say though, yeah its probably worth a moan at the time but hardly a massive issue. Just tell that to the F.A
a chum of mine, who lives on the Fylde Coast, tells me of the ‘outrage’ felt in the Blackpool Camp. Holloway has ‘two’ teams he likes to play – and as alluded to earlier, it keeps the other teams and managers guessing. It’s about winning and staying in the premier league for them and Holloway is too much of his own man, and honest to boot, to faf around with stupid tactics.It’s a pity the team Ian Holloway turned out against Villa last week didn’t get a pasting. The fact they were unlucky not to get a draw has given him an excuse to defend his actions. Holloway is fast becoming a joke. He’s the darling of the media at the moment, always willing to spout out his views on whatever he’s asked and talking cowcrap most of the time. I thought his rant against Wayne Rooney was cringe worthy at the time; it looks downright embarrassing now. So he’s now threatening to resign if Blackpool is fined over him turning out a weakened team. I hope they do just that. We can then see if he’s true to his word.
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