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Arsene Wenger’s reserves and youths tonked us a couple of years ago. He picked them because he thought they were good enough and they bloody were.
Thanks for proving one of my arguments Yosser. I did say earlier on in the thread that if & when one of the “bigger” clubs chops and changes their side they do so still with the belief & intent that they can win that game.
When Bryan Robson did it at WBA in our 1st season up (for which he was roundly slated on here), Mick McCarthy did it at United last season & now Holloway at Villa last week they are sacrificing those games in order to concentrate their resources on another game.
I fully acknowledge that the supporters of those clubs couldn’t/didn’t give a rats @r$e if/when they stay up but that isn’t my point
My point is that club’s shouldn’t be allowed to sacrifice games in that manner because of the effect that has on other teams.
Someone’s raised the good point of the Liverpool team at Fulham in 06/07 which in effect kept Fulham up & sparked what’s happened since & had a bearing on Latics & Sheff Utd’s relegation battle – if Liverpool had put that same team out against us a couple of weeks earlier who knows what would have happened
Likewise Villa could nick a European spot off a team that Blackpool put out a full strength side against & took something fromI also apply it to Latics so its got nowt to do with the “the big boys can do what they want” stuff that has been thrown back in this thread – if I know that our manager is going to field a weakened side I won’t go (admittedly I don’t go anywhere near as much as I used to anyway but the point still applied when I did – I didn;t go to any game in the carling cup rin in 05/06 until the semi-final) coz if the manager is openly stating that he isn’t treating the game as a priority or with as much committment as other games then I think its wrong for them to expect the punters to hand over their hard earned cash for the “privilege” of watching it
The primary target set at the beginning of a season for a club like Blackpool, Wolves, Wigan etc, is to avoid relegation, and it should be up to the manager to apply his squad accordingly to achieve that. If he feels it is better to rest players for unwinnable games, then so be it.
If a manager such as Holloway puts out a second string in a particular game, then he clearly feels that it is highly unlikely that he’ll achieve anything other than a defeat – even with his first team out. Therefore, does it matter if he makes no changes or eleven changes to the players on the pitch? Should he put his first eleven out for every game, in the hope of shock results? By doing this, his players could burn themselves out, and their performances will fade towards the end of the season – with the beneficiaries being the clubs playing them in March and April.
Perhaps a solution would be to restrict the managers to a still smaller squad, which would allow squad rotation but not a total switch of all the starting lineup. Additional players could be brought in temporarily by appeal in the event of injuries.
a chum of mine, who lives on the Fylde Coast, tells me of the ‘outrage’ felt in the Blackpool Camp. Holloway has ‘two’ teams he likes to play – and as alluded to earlier, it keeps the other teams and managers guessing. It’s about winning and staying in the premier league for them and Holloway is too much of his own man, and honest to boot, to faf around with stupid tactics.
It’s a pity the team Ian Holloway turned out against Villa last week didn’t get a pasting. The fact they were unlucky not to get a draw has given him an excuse to defend his actions. Holloway is fast becoming a joke. He’s the darling of the media at the moment, always willing to spout out his views on whatever he’s asked and talking cowcrap most of the time. I thought his rant against Wayne Rooney was cringe worthy at the time; it looks downright embarrassing now. So he’s now threatening to resign if Blackpool is fined over him turning out a weakened team. I hope they do just that. We can then see if he’s true to his word.[/quote]
You do talk some bo11lox mate……why on earth was it a pity they didn’t get a pasting – did you see the youngsters Houllier put out as well. After having read several reports on the match Villa were lucky to have taken the three points (and quite a few pundits had Phillips – Blackpool – as their man of the match).
Further….how do you opine that he is fast becoming a joke – Lee Mack makes me laugh but Stephen K Amos doesn’t float my boat that doesn’t mean he’s not an ‘A’ list comedian amongst his professional peer group. Gordon Strachan had a ‘weird’ way of conversing with the media and was just as outspoken – was he classed as a clown or a joke……..no! If Holloway is guilty of anything it’s being caught up in this sh 1ty media hype (several on here – myself included – seem to have been also guilty of). Just because he’s had a ‘pop’ at the pathetic ‘red top’ gutter press/$ky is no need to ridicule him – there have been plenty of top flight managers before him who have done the same….. FFS Fergie still will not speak to the BBC (after how many years) is he too a clown?
Let’s stick to the topic……..not the man…….and (in my opinion) Mr Walkers last mention on this subject is a well balanced view – that I too share
…….and (in my opinion) Mr Walkers last mention on this subject is a well balanced view – that I too shareAww, shucks. Why thank you Mr C.
a chum of mine, who lives on the Fylde Coast, tells me of the ‘outrage’ felt in the Blackpool Camp. Holloway has ‘two’ teams he likes to play – and as alluded to earlier, it keeps the other teams and managers guessing. It’s about winning and staying in the premier league for them and Holloway is too much of his own man, and honest to boot, to faf around with stupid tactics.
It’s a pity the team Ian Holloway turned out against Villa last week didn’t get a pasting. The fact they were unlucky not to get a draw has given him an excuse to defend his actions. Holloway is fast becoming a joke. He’s the darling of the media at the moment, always willing to spout out his views on whatever he’s asked and talking cowcrap most of the time. I thought his rant against Wayne Rooney was cringe worthy at the time; it looks downright embarrassing now. So he’s now threatening to resign if Blackpool is fined over him turning out a weakened team. I hope they do just that. We can then see if he’s true to his word.[/quote]
You do talk some bo11lox mate……why on earth was it a pity they didn’t get a pasting – did you see the youngsters Houllier put out as well. After having read several reports on the match Villa were lucky to have taken the three points (and quite a few pundits had Phillips – Blackpool – as their man of the match).
Further….how do you opine that he is fast becoming a joke – Lee Mack makes me laugh but Stephen K Amos doesn’t float my boat that doesn’t mean he’s not an ‘A’ list comedian amongst his professional peer group. Gordon Strachan had a ‘weird’ way of conversing with the media and was just as outspoken – was he classed as a clown or a joke……..no! If Holloway is guilty of anything it’s being caught up in this sh 1ty media hype (several on here – myself included – seem to have been also guilty of). Just because he’s had a ‘pop’ at the pathetic ‘red top’ gutter press/$ky is no need to ridicule him – there have been plenty of top flight managers before him who have done the same….. FFS Fergie still will not speak to the BBC (after how many years) is he too a clown?
Let’s stick to the topic……..not the man…….and (in my opinion) Mr Walkers last mention on this subject is a well balanced view – that I too share[/quote]
Well Micky if I could understand some of your cryptic utterings I’d be in a better position to respond to your claim that I’m talking bo11ocks, but here goes.For all Holloway’s ranting he still turned out a weakened team and he’s trying to say he didn’t. This “Holloway has two teams he likes to play” and “it keeps the other teams and managers guessing” is complete nonsense. He’s only ever played his ‘other’ team once in the league and that was against Villa. They played well, almost got a draw, and gave Holloway the excuse he needed to claim it wasn’t a weakened team. I wonder what excuse he would have used had they been soundly beaten?
I’ll bet Holloway is the first person the media call up for his comments on any controversial football issue. People laugh at what he has to say, they always have, and now he’s in the Premiership spotlight they laugh at him even more. I like Holloway and what he’s achieved with Blackpool, but it’s getting a bit over the top now.
But back to the topic. It’s less of an issue when the smaller clubs field weakened sides. You could argue that Wolves would not be expected to beat Man United at Old Trafford even with a first choice side so what does it matter. Maybe Blackpool would not have done any better at Villa with their first choice team. However, the circumstances surrounding Liverpool fielding a weakened team at Fulham a few years ago was an issue and would be again should a similar scenario occur involving one of the big clubs. The rules have to apply to all.
Well Micky if I could understand some of your cryptic utterings I’d be in a better position to respond to your claim that I’m talking bo11ocks, but here goes.For all Holloway’s ranting he still turned out a weakened team and he’s trying to say he didn’t. This “Holloway has two teams he likes to play” and “it keeps the other teams and managers guessing” is complete nonsense. He’s only ever played his ‘other’ team once in the league and that was against Villa. They played well, almost got a draw, and gave Holloway the excuse he needed to claim it wasn’t a weakened team. I wonder what excuse he would have used had they been soundly beaten?
I’ll bet Holloway is the first person the media call up for his comments on any controversial football issue. People laugh at what he has to say, they always have, and now he’s in the Premiership spotlight they laugh at him even more. I like Holloway and what he’s achieved with Blackpool, but it’s getting a bit over the top now.
But back to the topic. It’s less of an issue when the smaller clubs field weakened sides. You could argue that Wolves would not be expected to beat Man United at Old Trafford even with a first choice side so what does it matter. Maybe Blackpool would not have done any better at Villa with their first choice team. However, the circumstances surrounding Liverpool fielding a weakened team at Fulham a few years ago was an issue and would be again should a similar scenario occur involving one of the big clubs. The rules have to apply to all.
Sammy…..your failure to understand my cryptic utterings may be a result of your creative thought process. No-one else seems to have a problem, maybe you are used to ‘bantering’ with those of a higher intellect – just a thought like.
However, I still cannot understand how you come to the opinion that what I said about them ‘having two teams’ and ‘keeping other teams and managers guessing’ as nonsense – do you have greater insight to their methodology? More than, say, a long standing Blackpool fan who (like you…….perhaps) has followed his team for some considerable years…….Oh! and call me old fashioned, but didn’t Martinez say the exact same thing about keeping the Premier League ‘guessing’ when he took over the reins here?
No!……you danced past the issue of ridiculing him (as I said there were others before him – and more to come)………he is just the latest ‘media squeeze’ until the first high profile manager gets the chop, then it’s all re-focus and let’s all start calling the next man; this nonsense will have been forgotten but you will still hold the vitriol against a man, a man standing up for what he believes – he may not be as eloquent as Arsene Wenger but his point is put across.
Further, and back on the topic, it would be completely illogical of the Premier League to require clubs to nominate their pool of players – 25 is it not? – but then also go on to punish them for selecting certain combinations from that pool! I also understand it is that by way of a supplement, teams are also allowed to include as many youngsters as they want to. In that context, the opaque notion of a ‘strongest side’ does become unenforceable. If the Premier League wants to protect itself against this new McCarthyism sneaking into the game, they will also have to limit the number of non-squad youth who can play in any one game. It’s unfair to critisise Holloway in this way as he is doing what any other manager is doing and within the rules.
I’ll end by agreeing to disagree with you on this one.
Sammy…..your failure to understand my cryptic utterings may be a result of your creative thought process. No-one else seems to have a problem, maybe you are used to ‘bantering’ with those of a higher intellect – just a thought like.
I have to say, I find some of your posts cryptic Micky but I thought I was just being a bit dense :oops: ;)Sammy…..your failure to understand my cryptic utterings may be a result of your creative thought process. No-one else seems to have a problem, maybe you are used to ‘bantering’ with those of a higher intellect – just a thought like.
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I have to say, I find some of your posts cryptic Micky but I thought I was just being a bit dense :oops: ;) [/quote]I’m disappointed Griff…….especially as you once aspired to the ‘Golden Sceptre’ award for out-of-the-box thinking – maybe someone else can now stand up to the plate.
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I’m disappointed Griff…….especially as you once aspired to the ‘Golden Sceptre’ award for out-of-the-box thinking – maybe someone else can now stand up to the plate.;)
There’s a subtle difference bewteen out of the box and off your box, I think Micky ;)
I’m disappointed Griff…….especially as you once aspired to the ‘Golden Sceptre’ award for out-of-the-box thinking – maybe someone else can now stand up to the plate.
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There’s a subtle difference bewteen out of the box and off your box, I think Micky ;) [/quote]
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please tell me that my overtly cryptic reply was not wasted on you, it is a style as you know, after all, and I wouldn’t like those close to me to ‘get wind’ as I quite enjoy it at the moment ;) …..however, good response as usual.
You’re not Ian Holloway by any chance are you Micky? I just needed to ask like.I can only aspire to, my friend…….
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