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    The fact Jeany B has been mentioned as join 10th in the table of assists this season caught my eye on another thread.

    I have to admit I was a bit shocked as I have been critical of him this season maybe not as relentlessley as others on here but I dont think he has had a good season by my expectations of him.

    It got me thinking what are my expectations of him? quite frankly I dont expect to see him racing back down the line to make a last ditch tackle on a winger at a critical moment in the way Leighton Baines used to do for us.

    I dont expect (but would probably like him to a bit more) run at fullbacks taking it past them and putting him in a great position to cross the ball.

    What I do expect from him is that he provides assists to the team.

    Well the statistics dont lie folks and while he is joint 11th not joint 10th according to the espn assists table the fact he has provided as many assists this as seasons media darling Santi Cazorla of Arsenal speaks wonders in itself.

    What speaks more for this from our personal expeience is he is 2 assists ahead of Leighton Baines and Antonio Valencia.

    If someone told me that this morning I would of told them they were talking out of their arse.

    So in summary I think my expectations of this season were based on how well he did when he joined us last season.

    I think in that time he was aided by the fact teams seemed bemused by the LWB position and the position he would take up on the pitch.

    More full backs have been instructed to come out and meet the wing backs this season but I think its fair to say his assists are invaluable to us and our relegation battle for the rest of 2013.

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    Sorry full table can be found here:

    http://espnfc.com/stats/assists?league=eng.1&cc=5739#

    If you cant be arsed looking here are some other big names Jean has more assists than : Oscar, Suarez, Taarabt, Torres, Pienaar & Carrick.

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    The fact Jeany B has been mentioned as join 10th in the table of assists this season caught my eye on another thread.

    I have to admit I was a bit shocked as I have been critical of him this season maybe not as relentlessley as others on here but I dont think he has had a good season by my expectations of him.

    It got me thinking what are my expectations of him? quite frankly I dont expect to see him racing back down the line to make a last ditch tackle on a winger at a critical moment in the way Leighton Baines used to do for us.

    I dont expect (but would probably like him to a bit more) run at fullbacks taking it past them and putting him in a great position to cross the ball.

    What I do expect from him is that he provides assists to the team.

    Well the statistics dont lie folks and while he is joint 11th not joint 10th according to the espn assists table the fact he has provided as many assists this as seasons media darling Santi Cazorla of Arsenal speaks wonders in itself.

    What speaks more for this from our personal expeience is he is 2 assists ahead of Leighton Baines and Antonio Valencia.

    If someone told me that this morning I would of told them they were talking out of their arse.

    So in summary I think my expectations of this season were based on how well he did when he joined us last season.

    I think in that time he was aided by the fact teams seemed bemused by the LWB position and the position he would take up on the pitch.

    More full backs have been instructed to come out and meet the wing backs this season but I think its fair to say his assists are invaluable to us and our relegation battle for the rest of 2013.

    He is f**king garbage.
    He has lost possesion more times than I care to think. Probably lost us games/points too. The reason he has as many assists as Cazorla (And others) will be due to the fact he puts nearly ALL of our crosses/balls in as he does have a decent cross, it isn’t always consistent but it can be good and we slightly rely on him to put the balls in, whereas Arsenal don’t need Cazorla to put all of their balls in.

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    The fact Jeany B has been mentioned as join 10th in the table of assists this season caught my eye on another thread.

    I have to admit I was a bit shocked as I have been critical of him this season maybe not as relentlessley as others on here but I dont think he has had a good season by my expectations of him.

    It got me thinking what are my expectations of him? quite frankly I dont expect to see him racing back down the line to make a last ditch tackle on a winger at a critical moment in the way Leighton Baines used to do for us.

    I dont expect (but would probably like him to a bit more) run at fullbacks taking it past them and putting him in a great position to cross the ball.

    What I do expect from him is that he provides assists to the team.

    Well the statistics dont lie folks and while he is joint 11th not joint 10th according to the espn assists table the fact he has provided as many assists this as seasons media darling Santi Cazorla of Arsenal speaks wonders in itself.

    What speaks more for this from our personal expeience is he is 2 assists ahead of Leighton Baines and Antonio Valencia.

    If someone told me that this morning I would of told them they were talking out of their arse.

    So in summary I think my expectations of this season were based on how well he did when he joined us last season.

    I think in that time he was aided by the fact teams seemed bemused by the LWB position and the position he would take up on the pitch.

    More full backs have been instructed to come out and meet the wing backs this season but I think its fair to say his assists are invaluable to us and our relegation battle for the rest of 2013.

    He is f**king garbage.
    He has lost possesion more times than I care to think. Probably lost us games/points too. The reason he has as many assists as Cazorla (And others) will be due to the fact he puts nearly ALL of our crosses/balls in as he does have a decent cross, it isn’t always consistent but it can be good and we slightly rely on him to put the balls in, whereas Arsenal don’t need Cazorla to put all of their balls in.[/quote]
    Speaking of garbage I suggest you read what you’ve just posted here and try again if your intention is to slag him off.

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    The fact Jeany B has been mentioned as join 10th in the table of assists this season caught my eye on another thread.

    I have to admit I was a bit shocked as I have been critical of him this season maybe not as relentlessley as others on here but I dont think he has had a good season by my expectations of him.

    It got me thinking what are my expectations of him? quite frankly I dont expect to see him racing back down the line to make a last ditch tackle on a winger at a critical moment in the way Leighton Baines used to do for us.

    I dont expect (but would probably like him to a bit more) run at fullbacks taking it past them and putting him in a great position to cross the ball.

    What I do expect from him is that he provides assists to the team.

    Well the statistics dont lie folks and while he is joint 11th not joint 10th according to the espn assists table the fact he has provided as many assists this as seasons media darling Santi Cazorla of Arsenal speaks wonders in itself.

    What speaks more for this from our personal expeience is he is 2 assists ahead of Leighton Baines and Antonio Valencia.

    If someone told me that this morning I would of told them they were talking out of their arse.

    So in summary I think my expectations of this season were based on how well he did when he joined us last season.

    I think in that time he was aided by the fact teams seemed bemused by the LWB position and the position he would take up on the pitch.

    More full backs have been instructed to come out and meet the wing backs this season but I think its fair to say his assists are invaluable to us and our relegation battle for the rest of 2013.

    He is f**king garbage.
    He has lost possesion more times than I care to think. Probably lost us games/points too. The reason he has as many assists as Cazorla (And others) will be due to the fact he puts nearly ALL of our crosses/balls in as he does have a decent cross, it isn’t always consistent but it can be good and we slightly rely on him to put the balls in, whereas Arsenal don’t need Cazorla to put all of their balls in.[/quote]

    Even though I like you and you seem a really nice guy I think our footballing opinions are a world apart.

    I realised this when you said Man Utd have one of the worst squads they have ever had in years this season which to be honest I think is mental talk :)

    But f**king garbage is surely a bit harsh? anyone who is top assists or top goalscorer is surely not garbage as they are obviously doing something right.

    The point of the thread anyway is that while I have been previously critical of him which is all good and well when you step back and take a good look at it hes actually been a big part of keeping us above the top 3 up to now.

    “The reason he has as many assists as Cazorla (And others) will be due to the fact he puts nearly ALL of our crosses/balls in as he does have a decent cross, it isn’t always consistent but it can be good and we slightly rely on him to put the balls in, whereas Arsenal don’t need Cazorla to put all of their balls in.”

    That doesn’t really stack up against the likes of Valencia and Baines who might I add both won player of the season for their respective clubs last season and who’s job it is to put the balls into the box.

    But you have made a good point in the fact that we actually do rely on him to put all the balls in the box.

    The service from RWB has been non exsistent for 90% of this season (something I hope is about to change due to the return of our 1st choice in Boycey)

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    The fact Jeany B has been mentioned as join 10th in the table of assists this season caught my eye on another thread.

    I have to admit I was a bit shocked as I have been critical of him this season maybe not as relentlessley as others on here but I dont think he has had a good season by my expectations of him.

    It got me thinking what are my expectations of him? quite frankly I dont expect to see him racing back down the line to make a last ditch tackle on a winger at a critical moment in the way Leighton Baines used to do for us.

    I dont expect (but would probably like him to a bit more) run at fullbacks taking it past them and putting him in a great position to cross the ball.

    What I do expect from him is that he provides assists to the team.

    Well the statistics dont lie folks and while he is joint 11th not joint 10th according to the espn assists table the fact he has provided as many assists this as seasons media darling Santi Cazorla of Arsenal speaks wonders in itself.

    What speaks more for this from our personal expeience is he is 2 assists ahead of Leighton Baines and Antonio Valencia.

    If someone told me that this morning I would of told them they were talking out of their arse.

    So in summary I think my expectations of this season were based on how well he did when he joined us last season.

    I think in that time he was aided by the fact teams seemed bemused by the LWB position and the position he would take up on the pitch.

    More full backs have been instructed to come out and meet the wing backs this season but I think its fair to say his assists are invaluable to us and our relegation battle for the rest of 2013.

    He is f**king garbage.
    He has lost possesion more times than I care to think. Probably lost us games/points too. The reason he has as many assists as Cazorla (And others) will be due to the fact he puts nearly ALL of our crosses/balls in as he does have a decent cross, it isn’t always consistent but it can be good and we slightly rely on him to put the balls in, whereas Arsenal don’t need Cazorla to put all of their balls in.[/quote]

    Even though I like you and you seem a really nice guy I think our footballing opinions are a world apart.

    I realised this when you said Man Utd have one of the worst squads they have ever had in years this season which to be honest I think is mental talk :)

    But f**king garbage is surely a bit harsh? anyone who is top assists or top goalscorer is surely not garbage as they are obviously doing something right.

    The point of the thread anyway is that while I have been previously critical of him which is all good and well when you step back and take a good look at it hes actually been a big part of keeping us above the top 3 up to now.

    “The reason he has as many assists as Cazorla (And others) will be due to the fact he puts nearly ALL of our crosses/balls in as he does have a decent cross, it isn’t always consistent but it can be good and we slightly rely on him to put the balls in, whereas Arsenal don’t need Cazorla to put all of their balls in.”

    That doesn’t really stack up against the likes of Valencia and Baines who might I add both won player of the season for their respective clubs last season and who’s job it is to put the balls into the box.

    But you have made a good point in the fact that we actually do rely on him to put all the balls in the box.

    The service from RWB has been non exsistent for 90% of this season (something I hope is about to change due to the return of our 1st choice in Boycey)[/quote]

    I just think technically he is an awful player. Majority of his passes go to the opposition. Out of position a lot. The fact he assists the majority of our goals doesn’t make up for his awful all round play.

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    I just think technically he is an awful player. Majority of his passes go to the opposition. Out of position a lot. The fact he assists the majority of our goals doesn’t make up for his awful all round play.

    What a load of bollocks….!

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    I just think technically he is an awful player. Majority of his passes go to the opposition. Out of position a lot. The fact he assists the majority of our goals doesn’t make up for his awful all round play.

    What a load of bollocks….![/quote]

    Didn’t respond to your initial reply to me for a reason, if you didn’t notice, I don’t wish to discuss this with you, stop stalking my posts. Thank You B)

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    I just think technically he is an awful player. Majority of his passes go to the opposition. Out of position a lot. The fact he assists the majority of our goals doesn’t make up for his awful all round play.

    What a load of bollocks….![/quote]

    Didn’t respond to your initial reply to me for a reason, if you didn’t notice, I don’t wish to discuss this with you, stop stalking my posts. Thank You B)[/quote]
    Still talking bollocks.

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    These stats consist of very fine lines, for instance his ratio of assists to games is 0.23 ( 6 from 26 games ) whereas Kone has a ratio of 0.22 ( 5 from 23 games )Maloney isnt too far behind with a ratio of 0.20 ( 5 from 25 games ) Very fine lines I think you will agree ! A more interesting stat to me is the fact that he has started 43 games for us in all comps and not scored a single goal yet ! Bloody rubbish !

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    These stats consist of very fine lines, for instance his ratio of assists to games is 0.23 ( 6 from 26 games ) whereas Kone has a ratio of 0.22 ( 5 from 23 games )Maloney isnt too far behind with a ratio of 0.20 ( 5 from 25 games ) Very fine lines I think you will agree ! A more interesting stat to me is the fact that he has started 43 games for us in all comps and not scored a single goal yet ! Bloody rubbish !

    Everytime someones tries to quote statistics and “facts” in an attempt to justify their opinion of him being rubbish/awful etc they end up arguing the opposite.
    OK, so he’s not scored and maybe that is a criticism but I fail to see who else is available that is better suited to that left wing-back role.

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    These stats consist of very fine lines, for instance his ratio of assists to games is 0.23 ( 6 from 26 games ) whereas Kone has a ratio of 0.22 ( 5 from 23 games )Maloney isnt too far behind with a ratio of 0.20 ( 5 from 25 games ) Very fine lines I think you will agree ! A more interesting stat to me is the fact that he has started 43 games for us in all comps and not scored a single goal yet ! Bloody rubbish !

    Everytime someones tries to quote statistics and “facts” in an attempt to justify their opinion of him being rubbish/awful etc they end up arguing the opposite.
    OK, so he’s not scored and maybe that is a criticism but I fail to see who else is available that is better suited to that left wing-back role.[/quote]

    Stam can play on the left and although like JB is not good defensively he can take a man on and put in numerous crosses. Just my opinion mind !

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    In the system Martinez has introduced, The LWB and RWB have attacking and defensive duties. So to judge the success of the players, you have to consider both roles.

    Defensively, Wigan have been poor for most of the season. They have a good first team, but the strength of the squad has been severely tested. There have been long term injuries to Alcaraz, Lopez and now Ramis, and briefer absences for the other first team defenders.

    Until the arrival of Scharner, Boyce had dropped into the back four, with Stam the regular replacement at RWB. The shaky defence has put more defensive resonsibility on both WBs, so the service for the forwards has been reduced.

    Against Reading, Wigan fielded their strongest team, and I thought that the team performance was exceptional and the individual performances were exceptional too. Granted, there are stronger teams in the Premier League, but Wigan showed just what they can do.

    So I’m very happy with the first team at the moment. With players returning to the squad – Lopez is the latest – I think Wigan are ready for the vital games in the last stretch of the season. It doesn’t mean that Wigan will beat Liverpool or Everton, but I am expecting them to put in two good performances.

    I’m not complacent – but I think Martinez is making the most of his resources. And I think it would be hard to replace players like Alcaraz, Figueroa and Di Santo over the summer. We will also have to be thinking about a replacement for Boyce – he cannot go on for ever!

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    Stam can play on the left and although like JB is not good defensively he can take a man on and put in numerous crosses. Just my opinion mind !

    Are you really suggesting that Stam is a better proposition at LWB than Beausejour?

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    Stam can play on the left and although like JB is not good defensively he can take a man on and put in numerous crosses. Just my opinion mind !

    Are you really suggesting that Stam is a better proposition at LWB than Beausejour?[/quote]

    I may actually agree with the point you’re getting at here ‘sammy’ .. The LWB should at least be naturally left footed, although Stam can use his Left peg to some extent I wouldn’t put him at LWB. ;)

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