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    SammySammy
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    Priti Patel saying poverty isn’t the fault of Westminster.

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    Home Secretary Priti Patel tells BBC Political Reporter Nina Warhurst that high levels of poverty can't be blamed solely on the government. She was visiting Barrow-in-Furness where, according to Cumbria County Council, central wards of the town are some of the most deprived in the country.

    Posted by BBC North West on Thursday, 21 November 2019

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    donnys pageDonnys Page
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    What is poverty Sammy? How is it measured?

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    SammySammy
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    What is poverty Sammy? How is it measured?

    Try going to fullfact.org for a comprehensive answer to your question. However, I’m wondering why you have asked the question? Are you suggesting Priti Patel has a point?

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    Sorry no. I’m just asking your opinion on what is poverty.
    To me it’s the homeless who beg outside of supermarkets for money, but we have such an amazing system of support in our country other than the ones on the streets that takes people out if poverty.
    Where is the poverty line drawn at Sammy?

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    What is poverty Sammy? How is it measured?

    Try going to fullfact.org for a comprehensive answer to your question. However, I’m wondering why you have asked the question? Are you suggesting Priti Patel has a point?[/quote]
    Fuck me Sammy lad after checking fullfact.org I am in in poverty. Shit me. That means I shouldn’t be able to afford my mortgage. I shouldn’t have the static caravan in Cumbria. Jesus how do I run a car? I l can’t afford a takeaway and how the hell I have the money spare to spend on Latics match tickets?

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    What is poverty Sammy? How is it measured?

    Try going to fullfact.org for a comprehensive answer to your question. However, I’m wondering why you have asked the question? Are you suggesting Priti Patel has a point?[/quote]
    Fuck me Sammy lad after checking fullfact.org I am in in poverty. Shit me. That means I shouldn’t be able to afford my mortgage. I shouldn’t have the static caravan in Cumbria. Jesus how do I run a car? I l can’t afford a takeaway and how the hell I have the money spare to spend on Latics match tickets?[/quote]

    Are you suggesting there is no poverty in the UK?

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    donnys pageDonnys Page
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    Of course there is poverty and it comes in many different forms but with figures full fact give of 14 million plus which is one quarter of the UK population roughly then it’s hard to be in agreement with that figure.

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    Of course there is poverty and it comes in many different forms but with figures full fact give of 14 million plus which is one quarter of the UK population roughly then it’s hard to be in agreement with that figure.

    The 14 million figure is also confirmed by other organisation too so what criteria would you use to define poverty that is different to what is being used by independent non-political fact-checking institutions.

    Maybe people find it hard to believe because it comes as a bit of an eye-opener.

    Do you agree with Priti Patel then that poverty is not the fault of Westminster?

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    Maybe the actual word poverty has been corrupted in its interpretation Sam. I see poverty in third world countries and in poorer parts of Europe and this has no resemblance to many of the 25% of the UK population who are said to be in poverty.
    Would you say our MP in Chorley, Hoyle a Corbyn nodding dog who will be on over £150 grand a year will be in poverty if his outgoings to live in London are £135 grand a year?
    Its all just playing with words and figures.
    Obviously Sam you think Westminster is to blame for the 25% of the countries population being in what is described as poverty so kindly explain why Westminster is to blame?

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    Poverty is defined as being when your resources are below your minimum needs. Poverty means not being able to heat your home, pay your rent, or buy the essentials for your children. It means waking up every day facing insecurity, uncertainty, and impossible decisions about money. (taken from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation).

    Poverty is also measured against the wealth of the society in which you live so there is a big difference between poverty in the third world as opposed to first world countries.

    Of course there will be some worse off than others but I don’t see anyone disputing the 14 million (25%) statistic however you wish to define it, so it isn’t just a play on words or figures.

    Priti Patel said the following when being questioned about poverty:
    “Well it’s appalling, and of course, but everybody – and it’s not just people in Westminster – it’s not just at a national level, it’s at a local level.”
    “Actually, it’s, well, it’s not [the government’s fault], because it’s all parts of society and the structures. Local authorities have a role to play, education, public services, which are locally led and locally run.”

    She’s deflecting blame onto local authorities when austerity measures over the last nine years has seen local government being starved of funds by Westminster. In addition, government cuts to the welfare budget and a freeze on benefits has compounded the situation. So Westminster IS directly responsible for the level of poverty in this country and Patel has been roundly criticised for her comments.

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    Thanks for that Sammy. It certainly makes you think.

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    Having watched the political debate, I think I have finally made my mind up

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    If you live in Wigan, your vote will be as decisive as mine will be in my constituency, where the Tories have a 20,000+ majority and the local party sacked their MP because he wasn’t hard-line Brexit enough.

    Lisa will be returned with a five-figure majority.

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    Well the sky is much bluer now in the Wigan Metro area and all over the country.
    A new era beckons under the People’s Party. For everyone not just a few.
    A new start for us all. A feeling around similar to when Blair ditched the Tories.

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    A new era beckons under the People’s Party. For everyone not just a few.

    Really?

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