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Jay and I, along with other website representatives, met with Uwe and Jonathan Jackson yesterday. I’m sorry that we are both rather busy to give a full breakdown of what was said but I will try briefly to give the flavour.
Jonathan gave a presentation with Q&A about the club’s finnaces for the year ending May 21013. This confirmed what I think most of us, besides the naysayers, already know. It is all in the public domain, but he put it all in context. We are financially in a comparatively healthy position – £1 million profit, following £4 last year. But that follows large losses every year in the Premier League except the first. Those losses have been covered by the Chairman.
Debt rose to £70 million until the debt was restructured to equity which has reduced it now to a manageabele £20 million. Effectively £50 million debt has been written off. One needs not ask who has taken the hit on that.
Turnover was £56 million, up from £53 million the previous year. However £44 million was from the Premier League. Championship clubs only get £3 million from the Football League. Parachute payments (£24m in Y1, £19m Y2, £10m Y3 and £10m Y4) will help, but clearly being now in the Championship will cost us. Winning the FA Cup gained us £5m, but some of that went on player bonuses. You can see though why for many clubs being in the PL is far more important than the Cup.
We are also the right side of Financial Fair Play rules which come into play this year. Some other clubs will struggle.
As for “the McCarthy money”. Firstly you can see that we need to be bridging the gap between what we had and what now have, and secondly transfer money in virtually every transfer does not come in a lump sum – it’s spread over the years. We have accounted for the money we have received to date.
Positive moves about the ongoing plans to develop Charnock Richard – again JJ was well aware of people saying “you’ve had it 6 months but nothing’s happening”. These things take a long long time.
And brief mention too of work that Latics do in the Community – going out into schools and community groups. The aim is that every kid’s first contact with football is with someone wearing a Latics badge. We want every kid to have Latics as their number 1 team.
Then Uwe came in. Obviously the first question was about rotation.
He is very focussed, and driven, but (whether you care or not what I think) I really liked him. He knows what he wants. Through the discussions (and they were more like discussions, albeit led by specific questions) he laid out his style of play. And that is getting the ball quickly up front, getting chances on goal. He refused to be drawn into any criticism of his fellow professional, OC, but the hints were there as we could all see that fitness levels were not, and maybe still not, at the levels needed to play his style.
He wants players who are committed to his style and willing to put the effort in both in training and on the pitch. But it requires fitness, and because it is tiring he needs to swap players. I didn’t get the feeling he particularly changed according to the opposition, but by the players who were showing the best qualities at the moment, and what the game programme was.
He gave the example of his first League game with us – Bolton. The team responded excellently to his game plan. Fast transition. But – they could only do it for 35 minutes.
He believes the game is a team game, a squad game. He is willing to give every player a chance. He makes a good point that since he came we are clocking 1.9 points a game, and would be fourth,
He believes in developing players (like Borussia do) rather than buy in the finished article as some of our Championship rivals are doing. He thinks that the longer term future of the team will benefit, or financially we will be able to sell them on. It’s not the aim to sell them, but the financial situation is such that that is one of our best hopes of maintaining our financial viability, and ultimately the existence of the club, is to develop players.
The aim is clearly promotion. Probably via the play-offs, but he feels that if we get to the play-offs then with our experience (particularly last year) he really fancies our chances. Not getting promoted this year would not be a disaster (according to JJ), but the aim is to get back there as quickly as possible – preferably this year.
As for Summer – he’s knows what he wants/needs for the team, but it all depends where we are. He wants to win every single game. Summer lays the foundations for the year – both in who is brought in, but also the training and fitness regime. If players do well in training then he will give them a chance.
He gave hints of his style of training (and maybe hints at former times). He insists players wear shinpads for training. He insists on high tempo for 90 minutes of training. He has a good group of players who have bought in to his style, but the average age of the squad is 27, he would like it nearer 24.
He also gave a little insight into tactics – he asks that it isn’t taken out of context, but if we win the ball in the top third he likes an attempt on goal in 4 seconds, win the ball in midfield in 7. He wants to play a German style of getting the ball forward quickly, looking to move the ball towards the goal, rather than the Spanish style of 200 passes holding possession in our own half. He wasn’t being critical – it’s just that he has a different style.
He would not be drawn on a “best player”. There are a lot that are committed.
As for injured players Shaun is still a few weeks off getting back to training on grass, but he hopes he will get some games this season.
Ramis is fit for football according to the specialist, and he now just needs to get up to required fitness levels and prove himself, particularly to other clubs! But he definitely has a future in football, and at Wigan.
Caldwell is somewhere between the two in fitness – he is training on grass, but a few weeks behind Ivan.
He rates Keenan highly, he has the right attitude, and is viewed as a CH, despite playing defensive midfield recently. One for the future – possibly out on loan for first team experience but only to a club where he’d get that regular experience, League One at the lowest.
He feels a bit sorry for Nicholls, but with Scott Carson and Ali on form he is facing an uphill struggle.
As for Grant Holt – Paul Lambert phoned us. He’s worked with Grant before and wanted him. We made no approaches.
So that’s a resume of what went on. I believe there is a recording on another well-known Latics group where you can listen to the hour with Uwe.
And brief mention too of work that Latics do in the Community – going out into schools and community groups. The aim is that every kid’s first contact with football is with someone wearing a Latics badge. We want every kid to have Latics as their number 1 team.
Fully agree with this part. The only way we will stop kids from jumping on the Manchester clubs/Scousers or even Chelsea and Arsenal bandwagons is to give them a connection to WAFC. The South Stand is the future of the club and the stand I would rather be full week in week out then any other.
Thank you for your time and trouble.
Some interesting insights into the workings of Wigan, on and off the field.
I’d say it was a worthwhile exercise.
Thanks for the good read GL.
Rosler seems to answer the question that has been asked recently about the squad rotation.
Makes sense to me (no doubt some will disagree as they do).
*holds the door open for Tylders
*holds the door open for TyldersIn I step!! ;)
To be fair, I did say in the other thread that I liked the way he wants to play the game & that I thought he was doing a good job so far – just that I feel it could be even better without so many changes from game to game.
I also said that I understood the argument for squad rotation but that I don’t see any other team that mnakes so many changes from game to game.
Obviously I haven’t read the full transcript of what was said yesterday, but from what I’ve read above he’s not said anything that has caused me to change my mind*holds the door open for Tylders
In I step!! ;)
To be fair, I did say in the other thread that I liked the way he wants to play the game & that I thought he was doing a good job so far – just that I feel it could be even better without so many changes from game to game.
I also said that I understood the argument for squad rotation but that I don’t see any other team that mnakes so many changes from game to game.
Obviously I haven’t read the full transcript of what was said yesterday, but from what I’ve read above he’s not said anything that has caused me to change my mind[/quote]I’ve never known anything yet to make you change your mind! ;)
*holds the door open for Tylders
In I step!! ;)
To be fair, I did say in the other thread that I liked the way he wants to play the game & that I thought he was doing a good job so far – just that I feel it could be even better without so many changes from game to game.
I also said that I understood the argument for squad rotation but that I don’t see any other team that mnakes so many changes from game to game.
Obviously I haven’t read the full transcript of what was said yesterday, but from what I’ve read above he’s not said anything that has caused me to change my mind[/quote]
From what Rosler said, it would appear his desired style of play requires a high level of intensity and our players are simply not fit enough to keep this up on a game per game basis or even during the course of a single match.Regarding other teams that don’t rotate, that would suggest that they don’t play with the same intensity that Rosler wants Wigan to play at and/or their players are fitter than ours.
I’d say that pretty much explains it.
*holds the door open for Tylders
In I step!! ;)
To be fair, I did say in the other thread that I liked the way he wants to play the game & that I thought he was doing a good job so far – just that I feel it could be even better without so many changes from game to game.
I also said that I understood the argument for squad rotation but that I don’t see any other team that mnakes so many changes from game to game.
Obviously I haven’t read the full transcript of what was said yesterday, but from what I’ve read above he’s not said anything that has caused me to change my mind[/quote]
From what Rosler said, it would appear his desired style of play requires a high level of intensity and our players are simply not fit enough to keep this up on a game per game basis or even during the course of a single match.Regarding other teams that don’t rotate, that would suggest that they don’t play with the same intensity that Rosler wants Wigan to play at and/or their players are fitter than ours.
I’d say that pretty much explains it.[/quote]
Exactly.
*holds the door open for Tylders
In I step!! ;)
To be fair, I did say in the other thread that I liked the way he wants to play the game & that I thought he was doing a good job so far – just that I feel it could be even better without so many changes from game to game.
I also said that I understood the argument for squad rotation but that I don’t see any other team that mnakes so many changes from game to game.
Obviously I haven’t read the full transcript of what was said yesterday, but from what I’ve read above he’s not said anything that has caused me to change my mind[/quote]
From what Rosler said, it would appear his desired style of play requires a high level of intensity and our players are simply not fit enough to keep this up on a game per game basis or even during the course of a single match.Regarding other teams that don’t rotate, that would suggest that they don’t play with the same intensity that Rosler wants Wigan to play at and/or their players are fitter than ours.
I’d say that pretty much explains it.[/quote]
Exactly.[/quote]
Like I said, I understand the logic behind the argument – I just don’t agree with it.
Are our players that unfit that half of the outfield players are incapable of playing in successive games?
Does Latics play under Rosler seem that much more intense than that of many other clubs throughout the leagues?
As an outsider looking in I’d answer no to both questions – although I am honest enough to admit that there is the teeniest, tiniest chance that I’m talking b0ll0x!! ;)I appreciate Latics manager’s taking the time out to do these kind of things but at the end of the day, they’re just a PR exercise. There’s a tendency to think that just coz the manager said it, that it must be true. Bobby used to come out with some right codswallop in his (just like he did in his post match interviews) & said things that contradicted things he’d said at previous ones & you still got some people saying “Yeah but Martinez said …”
From the summary on here I found what Jonathan Jackson said far more enlightening than what Rosler said
Like I said, I understand the logic behind the argument – I just don’t agree with it.
Are our players that unfit that half of the outfield players are incapable of playing in successive games?
Does Latics play under Rosler seem that much more intense than that of many other clubs throughout the leagues?
As an outsider looking in I’d answer no to both questions – although I am honest enough to admit that there is the teeniest, tiniest chance that I’m talking b0ll0x!! ;)I appreciate Latics manager’s taking the time out to do these kind of things but at the end of the day, they’re just a PR exercise. There’s a tendency to think that just coz the manager said it, that it must be true. Bobby used to come out with some right codswallop in his (just like he did in his post match interviews) & said things that contradicted things he’d said at previous ones & you still got some people saying “Yeah but Martinez said …”
From the summary on here I found what Jonathan Jackson said far more enlightening than what Rosler said
‘There’s a tendency to think that just coz the manager said it, that it must be true.’
That’s a beaut of a statement Tyldesley. Why would a manager give a fictitious answer to explain his own rotation policy?
It’s not a case of them not being fit enough to play in the next game. It’s a case of them not being fit enough to play to the level he wants them to play to in the next game.
He’s just given exactly the same explanation on Talk Sport this morning.
If it was PR exercise, the last thing he’d do is bring into the public questions regarding his players’ fitness levels.
Why would a manager give a fictitious answer to explain his own rotation policy?.I didn’t say that he didn’t believe his own answers – I just fail to see that the intensity of Latics play is that high that it neccessitates around half the outfield players not being at the required fitness to be able to play consecutive games.
Rolser believes that squad rotation is vital to success – he did it in Norway, he did it at Brentford & he talks about it in all his interviews & he believes he needs to do it at the levels he does it because of the intensity fo how his teams play.
My argument is not that he is lying but that I don’t see Latics style of play being any more intense than many other teams I see – some more successful & some less so. None of those teams make as many changes from game to game as Rosler does which leads me to think that he alone can’t be a special case & that he’s being over cautious.
Nor do i believe that the players levels of fitness are that poorWhy would a manager give a fictitious answer to explain his own rotation policy?.
I didn’t say that he didn’t believe his own answers – I just fail to see that the intensity of Latics play is that high that it neccessitates around half the outfield players not being at the required fitness to be able to play consecutive games.
Rolser believes that squad rotation is vital to success – he did it in Norway, he did it at Brentford & he talks about it in all his interviews & he believes he needs to do it at the levels he does it because of the intensity fo how his teams play.
My argument is not that he is lying but that I don’t see Latics style of play being any more intense than many other teams I see – some more successful & some less so. None of those teams make as many changes from game to game as Rosler does which leads me to think that he alone can’t be a special case & that he’s being over cautious.
Nor do i believe that the players levels of fitness are that poor[/quote]It’s not remotely important whether you believe it or not, to be honest. You’re not the one being paid to do the job exactly as you see fit (excuse the pun), he is.
It’s not remotely important whether you believe it or not, to be honest. You’re not the one being paid to do the job exactly as you see fit (excuse the pun), he is.I agree completely but that doesn’t stop me or anyone else being entitled to that opinion or from voicing it.
You could just kill virtually all debate that there’s ever been about football with that attitude :PIt’s not remotely important whether you believe it or not, to be honest. You’re not the one being paid to do the job exactly as you see fit (excuse the pun), he is.
I agree completely but that doesn’t stop me or anyone else being entitled to that opinion or from voicing it.
You could just kill virtually all debate that there’s ever been about football with that attitude :P[/quote]OK, let me re-phrase – what evidence do you have to support your belief that they are actually fit enough? Because “I don’t believe that” is just as much of a debate killer as my “your opinion doesn’t matter” ;)
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