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and just 500 professional footballers
That’s our problem – at the top two levels in English football now there are only about 500 English players.
Young English players are being stifled by the huge number of imports from abroad,
In 2004 I went to see England Under-21s at Blackburn. Starting XI was Carson(Leeds); Johnson(Chelsea), Hunt(Bolton), Davenport(West Ham), Harding(Brighton), Pennant(Arsenal), Milner(Newcastle), O’Neil(Portsmouth), Downing(Middlesbrough), Carlton Cole(Aston Villa), Stead(Blackburn).
They (presumably) were so proud to be representing their country, and dreamt of an England future. How many of those have filled their full potential 6 years down the line, now they are 27 or so?
Being a glass half-full sort of guy, I hope this debacle is the impetus for a complete review of English football from grassroots level. And no, I don’t mean new “academies” – I mean quotas on foreign players, a complete ban on signing six-year-olds, more support for youth leagues (without teams sposored by professional clubs).
And anyone who tries to tell an 8-year-old that they are a defender or a left-side midfielder will be summarily executed.
Let little kids run around, kick a ball, dribble, shoot and whatever , and importantly learn to enjoy playing the game and understand that playing football should be fun – and then when talent is spotted at 16 or so then they can sign apprentice forms.
The old cap as been doffed Garswood
They look great in sides full of talent but when you put them together with England they cant play.
Its a question of whats bigger there ego’s or there bank balances.the reason for that is if you put an ordinary player into a team full of good ones as most english players in the premiership are,they get away with it,but if you then group a team of ordinary players together and the couple we have with true talent dont perform you get what we have seen in this world cup from england.[/quote]
Spot on.
Football needs to follow the Rugby league example and start reducing the “quotas” of overseas players. It’s getting even worse in football now with the academies and reserves full of non English players.Add too that the refusal to use video technology, it makes you wonder what the upper echelon of football management are actually thinking about.
Spot on.
Football needs to follow the Rugby league example and start reducing the “quotas” of overseas players. It’s getting even worse in football now with the academies and reserves full of non English players.
Add too that the refusal to use video technology, it makes you wonder what the upper echelon of football management are actually thinking about.That would never work as the Premier League clubs would be down to Brussels before the FA had finished reading the new ruling. The top clubs couldn’t give two chips about the national team as they’re far too busy trying to keep their heads above water whilst paying their foreign legions millions of pounds to keep said clubs on the Premier League gravy train.
Whelan makes me laugh almost every time he opens his mouth and his idea of the Premier League clubs taking over Wembley and the FA is a prime example of the self-interest which is endemic in English football.Maybe football could follow rugby league’s example and play a match against France at Leigh Sports Village in front of barely 8000 people :roll:
Maybe football could follow rugby league’s example and play a match against France at Leigh Sports Village in front of barely 8000 people :roll:Nothing to add to the debate? No, thought not.
I just did. Would you like to tell us all why it offends you?No, you didn’t offend me :lol:
Video technology and quotas have been used in rugby league for many years now and other sports have seen that they work and so used them. The idea was that football could do likewise.
No idea where your post came from.Egg chasing video technology could work but will no doubt end up slowing the game too much. Maybe if we had officials who could do their job would help !
and quotas cant work under EEC law.
They look great in sides full of talent but when you put them together with England they cant play.
Its a question of whats bigger there ego’s or there bank balances.the reason for that is if you put an ordinary player into a team full of good ones as most english players in the premiership are,they get away with it,but if you then group a team of ordinary players together and the couple we have with true talent dont perform you get what we have seen in this world cup from england.[/quote]
Spot on.
Football needs to follow the Rugby league example and start reducing the “quotas” of overseas players. It’s getting even worse in football now with the academies and reserves full of non English players.Add too that the refusal to use video technology, it makes you wonder what the upper echelon of football management are actually thinking about.[/quote]
Rogues Gallery, as much as I applaud your attempt to get Rugby League included in a football related topic, it’s a totally different situation and would never work.Rugby League has two top flight professional league systems – UK and Australia, so it takes only two governing bodies to agree, and the motion is passed. If players can’t play in the UK, and they aren’t tempted by the money of Rugby Union, they stay in Australia, and vice-versa.
If you did to that to football in England, the best foreign players would move to and invariably make the Spanish, Italian, Dutch, French, (etc) leagues stronger and the Premier League would suffer. The money received through TV rights to the Premier League would soon dwindle, and the best English players would want the big salaries, and they’d be out at the first opportunity.
You’d have to get every nation in the world agreed to restrict foreign players in their leagues, and that includes Qatar, UAE, Japan and the such like.
Football’s a global sport, not two country, and regional at that.
Video technology is something I’d agree with, but only to see if the ball crossed the line, as football is not as stop-start as rugby or cricket.
Video technology is something I’d agree with, but only to see if the ball crossed the line, as football is not as stop-start as rugby or cricket.Whatever happened to the chip in the ball technology. I agree that any technology, new or taken from other sports, should only be used to decide if a goal really is a goal or not. With the amount of stoppages in football nowadays it wouldn’t disrupt the game too much.
In 2004 I went to see England Under-21s at Blackburn. Starting XI was Carson(Leeds); Johnson(Chelsea), Hunt(Bolton), Davenport(West Ham), Harding(Brighton), Pennant(Arsenal), Milner(Newcastle), O’Neil(Portsmouth), Downing(Middlesbrough), Carlton Cole(Aston Villa), Stead(Blackburn).I agree with everything in your post, Garswood.
That said, the problem with the under-21 side above is that, with the exception of Milner, they’re all gash.
In 2004 I went to see England Under-21s at Blackburn. Starting XI was Carson(Leeds); Johnson(Chelsea), Hunt(Bolton), Davenport(West Ham), Harding(Brighton), Pennant(Arsenal), Milner(Newcastle), O’Neil(Portsmouth), Downing(Middlesbrough), Carlton Cole(Aston Villa), Stead(Blackburn).
I agree with everything in your post, Garswood.
That said, the problem with the under-21 side above is that, with the exception of Milner, they’re all gash.[/quote]
Maybe that’s because they haven’t been allowed to develop?
We can blame many things to cover up this shambles, the goal that never was, the ball, the formation ,the manager but in the cold light of day our finest talent somehow managed to inflict our heaviest ever world cup defeat against probably the worst German team we have ever faced. The message to Rooney,Gerrard,Lumpard and co is THE ONLY THING WORLD CLASS ABOUT ENGLAND IS THE SUPPORTERS not you bunch of egotistic useless cretins.
In 2004 I went to see England Under-21s at Blackburn. Starting XI was Carson(Leeds); Johnson(Chelsea), Hunt(Bolton), Davenport(West Ham), Harding(Brighton), Pennant(Arsenal), Milner(Newcastle), O’Neil(Portsmouth), Downing(Middlesbrough), Carlton Cole(Aston Villa), Stead(Blackburn).
I agree with everything in your post, Garswood.
That said, the problem with the under-21 side above is that, with the exception of Milner, they’re all gash.[/quote]
Maybe that’s because they haven’t been allowed to develop?[/quote]
Not sure about that. Apart from Harding, they’ve all had decent spellls in the Premier League at one time or another.
Video technology is something I’d agree with, but only to see if the ball crossed the line, as football is not as stop-start as rugby or cricket.
Whatever happened to the chip in the ball technology. I agree that any technology, new or taken from other sports, should only be used to decide if a goal really is a goal or not. With the amount of stoppages in football nowadays it wouldn’t disrupt the game too much.[/quote]
put a electronic chip in the ball so when it crosses the goal line it beeps in the linesman or refs ear, they are already wearing headsets so the game wouldnt have to stop at all
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