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If one of the best points he could manage to muster was along the lines of “my dad’s bigger than yours” then that says it all really.
I guess your opinion of how it went for him is likely to be coloured (no pun intended) by your view of him & his party beforehand anyway – personally I thought he made himself look more of an ass than he did previously as his main arguments seemed to be denying things that he is known to have said or saying he can’t say what he really feels about a particular subject coz the law won’t allow him (which it will)
As for the programme being biased – IMO he was given numerous opportunites to explain his & his party’s viewpoints & failed miserably.
“the audience was representative of multicultural London, not “pi**ed off” rest of the country” – hold on a second, his party gained approx 6% of the vote in a turnout of the electorate in the european elections of under 35%. Enough to get his party seats & enough to earn him the right to be on such a show but the proportion of people in the audience who shared his point of view was representative of those figures & in a guest panel of 5 they were actually over-represented.
For me the fact his & his party’s policies were battered from pillar to post from start to finish is representative of just how disgusting the “rest of the country” finds their policies.
You can’t demand his right to be on such a programme & then bellyache when people make their views about his party’s policies knownIt was supposed to be a debate, there wasnt any. It was a bloke being harrased if any thing. I dont and never have will vote BNP, but who looked like the persecuted minority last night?, the reason hes in the European parliment is because Britian is pissed off. Maybe if Labour hadnt made British history taboo, Griffin and friends wouldnt get a look in as history would teach British values and free speech are key to civilisation from local up to national levels. The point about his dad is relevant because if everyone decided “to object” to war owd Adolf would have pi**ed his sides laughing as he took over Europe.
He was numerous opportunites to give his & his party’s views on a number of subjects & he did.
Its a panel show & so all the other panelists & audience are allowed their viewpoints too. Which is what they did also – if they think he’s talking out of his rear end then they are just as entitled to say that as he is to give his opinion.
The fact that so many of the audience & panelists disagreed so strongly with his view points is reflective of how the vast majority of the other 94% of those who voted in the european elections feel about it. When he made points some agreed with, he was applauded.
He was no more harassed then numerous other politicians & guests have been on the same programme over the years
I work in a school, & have worked in schools for the last 10 years all of which was under a labour government. I can categorically state that in none of the various schools i have worked in has British history been in any way shape of form a taboo subject
I’d have to take issue with “British values .. are key to civilisation” as you could meet many people worldwide who have suffered as a result throughout history due to British valuesI am not questionning Griffin’s right to be proud his dad fought in WWII as I’m proud my grandad did but it doesn’t make me any less of a tw at than some think I am. Nor does it do the same to Nick Griffin. Nor does Jack Straw’s dad’s conduct have any reflection on jack Straw. IMO it was a weak & feeble argument & one that made him look like he was in a primary school playground shouting my dad’s harder than your dad
The programme was a complete farce from start to finish and the BBC should be pulled up for letting such a pile of drivel go out to air rather than for letting Griffin on in the first place. The seating arrangements were very interesting to say the least, all the main parties who normally have to be kept apart on one side with Griffin and a black American on the other. They all of took it in turn to shout Griffin down at every opportunity even though he said very little of substance throughout the duration of the programme. The “London” audience was also very loaded and I’m sure the black lad on the end of the front row who answered the first question is an actor.
Why did they host the programme in London? Why not in the King Georges Hall as Straw and Griffin represent constituencies in this area or did they not want to hear the reasons why the BNP is gaining a foothold in East Lancashire.
Did it do anything for the BNP? No, Griffin came across as a complete tosser but his points on capping immigration will be agreed with in many quarters. It did however show up all the mainstream parties for what they are, all of them Oxford/Cambridge educated academics who have disappeared up their own backsides and are about as far removed from the man on the street as it is possible to be. THAT is the reason only 35% turned out and the reason fringe parties are grabbing votes
That show was pathetic, how you can say that it was a fair debate is beyond me, he was asked questions but wasn’t allowed to answer them, he keapt getting interupted by a black American playwright (why was she there).
On the rare occasion that he did get to speak i thought he did well and put some good points across, Like when Jack Straw brought up the war and Nick correctly told him that while his dad was fighting Hitler, Jacks was locked up for being a coward. When asked Why is Islam a bad religion he correctly pointed out that it is mainly due to the degradation of women and other things that we won’t go in to.
He did also on a few occasions make a bit of a fool of himself with his backtracking and U-turns, but he was alone in that studio and must have fealt like he was taking on the world and he is not the first politician to backtrack, not by a long way. He also made a very good point that if people are coming over here they should respect our laws, culture and tradition, wich is only right, i wouldn’t expect people in Afghan, Pakistan or wherever to change their way of life for me.
Do i agree with the BNP?
Yes and no, yes i agree with them that something has got to be done and that the British have had a bad deal for far too long, Labour have ruined this country and we need change.
And No, Simply coming out with the coments denying the holocaust is just numb and disrespectful.
I agree more with the BNP than i do with any of the major parties that is for sure but weather they would truly be good leaders, i don’t know.As I’ve said previously I think people’s opinions of how the show went are coloured by our existing opinions on Griffin’s party
personally I though he was asked questions & allowed to answer them. If someone (audience or panel member) thought he was talking gash then they told him so. That happens on the programme every single week & was no different last night other than Griffin’s party bring up strong emotions in people (both pro & anti).
The black playwrite is one of the senior people at the British museum (I didn’t hear or see the part about her being a playwrite) & had British heritage. She interrupted him twice from memory & one of those was when he described the bloke from the KKK as being “almost totally, non-violent” – as someone who no doubt has had more direct experience of the activities of the KKK on communities in America I personally think she was the best person there to comment on that point
I’ve already made my point on his comments about his & jack Straw’s father in WWII which to me is irrelevant but your comment that his opinions on Islam were “correctly stated” with regards to its treatment of women – every religion, christianity included, has its extreme sects & some of those within christianity degrade women. It might also have escaped your attention that there was a muslim woman on the panel who didn’t appear to degraded by her religion. That btw is not a defence of the extremist sects of that religion but as she herself stated the majority of the population of her religion think those people are idiots too
The point you make about him saying immigrants to this country should respect our laws etc. was also repeated by the reps of the 3 main parties who were there, as were limits on numbers, capping etc..
As for respecting the laws of this country, perhaps someone should remind him that he & many of the high ranking members of his party have convictions for breaking the laws of our country. Where was the respect for the law then?
Do I agree with the BNP? Not quite!!! :lol:A very disappointing programme last night. Surprisingly, the 2 day strike by postal workers got overlooked in favour of questions purely about the BNP. Of course all the others would gang up on Griffin, just as all the others would gang up if every question was related to individual Labour/Tory/Lib Dem policies.
I thought that Griffin did reasonably well, considering the outright hostility from around the table, including the presenter. His comments about the parts of Islam that are degrading to women was spot on, as was his comments about us keeping our noses out of Iran’s affairs. I also noted that he was quite adamant that the asian british guy who asked what would happen to him under their immigration system would be welcome to stay in the country of his birth.
Obviously, some of the things he said were complete toss – particularly the weasly way of trying to wriggle out of the holocaust issue, however Gordon Brown recently wriggled out of answering what biscuit he prefers to dunk in his cup of tea, so its hardly the first time a politician has failed to answer the question!
Would I vote for them – Hell no, but I for one think that some of his views are spot on.
“It did however show up all the mainstream parties for what they are, all of them Oxford/Cambridge educated academics”
of the 5 panelists last night 3 of them got their degrees from oxford or cambridge – one of those 3 was Mr Griffin
“of the 5 panelists last night 3 of them got their degrees from oxford or cambridge – one of those 3 was Mr Griffin”
That’s 3/4 of the panel then because the Yank doesn’t count and was a wasted opportunity to get someone better on.
My point is that these people including Griffin are all from the upper echelons of society, not short of a bit of brass and well educated. They haven’t got a f*cking clue what is going on at the arse end of this country and neither do they care because the lower social classes tend not to vote until they’re really pi**ed off
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