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    DickDastrdlyDickDastrdly
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      For many reasons now we must beat Rotherham. They are the lowest in morale, confidence and position, yes even more than us. I still think if we can grab three results together we can turn this season around, Ipswich was one I thought we would win along with Rotherham, Derby then Burton. I think we can do it, we just need to play like we did yesterday and have the luck our way.

      #153287
      JaytJayt
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        Like in most the games this season, we do enough to win them, the difference with Rotherham is we should win.

        I said this about Ipswich as well, but as has been mentioned quite a few times, certain things went against us, but rather than get on with it we moped around for a bit and allowed them to benefit from their good fortune.

        On the penalty decision though, how about this for a debate:

        As the Ipswich players will have known that this decision was absolutely without doubt a wrong decision.
        Would missing the penalty have been the honourable thing to do?

        FA Cup Winners 2013, sounds good that

        #153290
        Rich et alRichard
        Player

          Missing the penalty? Absolutely definitely it would have been the right thing to do. Sports’person’ship seems to have sunk, and its a shame. If it were 50/50 I’d say ‘you were lucky and you made the most of it’. Swings and roundabouts. But when it was so 100% a wrong decision and every one – like EVERYONE – even the Ipswich manager, knew it, then yes, it would have been the honourable and right thing to do. I suspect even the ref knew looking at a few of his other decisions.

          #153292

          Would never happen, should never happen.

          #153293
          Like in most the games this season, we do enough to win them, the difference with Rotherham is we should win.

          I said this about Ipswich as well, but as has been mentioned quite a few times, certain things went against us, but rather than get on with it we moped around for a bit and allowed them to benefit from their good fortune.

          On the penalty decision though, how about this for a debate:

          As the Ipswich players will have known that this decision was absolutely without doubt a wrong decision.
          Would missing the penalty have been the honourable thing to do?

          Very interesting point JT!

          For me, no, they should have gone for goal. We would have gone for it had the roles been reversed! You have to accept the referee’s decision and get on with the game otherwise you have chaos. Like I said before, these things even out (hopefully) over a season.

          The wider issue for me is using technology to help the officials. How exactly it would work God knows, but it’s wrong that everyone watching on TV can see a decision is wrong, but it cannot be corrected.

          #153294
          The wider issue for me is using technology to help the officials. How exactly it would work God knows, but it’s wrong that everyone watching on TV can see a decision is wrong, but it cannot be corrected.

          Game is too fast flowing. The goal technology works as its on a watch and is live but penalty decisions wouldn’t be. The ref would have to give it and then watch it back why everyone complains; but then how do you restart play if it wasnt a dive and was just a bad call?

          #153296
          Rich et alRichard
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            The sooner video replays are brought in …. the better. For fans, serious cock ups are too important to happen.

            Maybe give each team 2 ‘shouts’ each half, or summut like that.

            As for ‘we would have gone for the penalty’, yes, sadly we would … but if there was some unwritten thing in the world of good sportsmanship that every one stuck to, even us … that’s be fine. It’s a bit like those odd free kicks where its gently tapped back to the keeper, or out or at least not a proper free kick with intent.

            Talk about a proper free kick with intent …. blinkin’ hec! that free kick Max took that he nearly scored from and Yanic put in ….. the Saudis would be interested in buying a few of those to supplement the arms they buy off us. talk about going with the power of a ballistic missile …. but I digress.

            #153297

            The wider issue for me is using technology to help the officials. How exactly it would work God knows, but it’s wrong that everyone watching on TV can see a decision is wrong, but it cannot be corrected.

            Game is too fast flowing. The goal technology works as its on a watch and is live but penalty decisions wouldn’t be. The ref would have to give it and then watch it back why everyone complains; but then how do you restart play if it wasnt a dive and was just a bad call?[/quote]

            Very difficult how to use technology without unduly slowing the game. Need to find a way though sooner rather than later.

            Whatever system eventually gets used, the principle should be that it is used to support the officials. A borderline decision shouldnt be changed, only one that is clearly wrong (that could be another worm can though :ohmy: )

            #153299
            tertsflantertsflan
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              Like in most the games this season, we do enough to win them, the difference with Rotherham is we should win.

              I said this about Ipswich as well, but as has been mentioned quite a few times, certain things went against us, but rather than get on with it we moped around for a bit and allowed them to benefit from their good fortune.

              On the penalty decision though, how about this for a debate:

              As the Ipswich players will have known that this decision was absolutely without doubt a wrong decision.
              Would missing the penalty have been the honourable thing to do?

              Absolutely they should I think it has happened in the past.
              But the problem is that the hierarchy will then stick their noses in sAbingdon players are taking matters into their own hands.self policing. Another thing would be how the media depict it, if they report it as the player doing the right thing he’s a hero. If they report it as the player insulting the referee then he will be ostracised.

              #153301
              Rich et alRichard
              Player

                Why is this thread called “ROTHERAM MUST WIN”?

                Have we got a traitor in the camp?

                Surely it should be “WIGAN MUST WIN”…………. we’ve not won enough for my liking.

                #153313
                jimmycjimmyc
                Player

                  3 points at Rotherham would be nice, might settle the players down a bit. I’m thinking we should survive though this season as i can see improvements in the team as a whole. We just need to cut out the individual naive mistakes and we should start to see more points on the board.

                  #153315

                  The wider issue for me is using technology to help the officials. How exactly it would work God knows, but it’s wrong that everyone watching on TV can see a decision is wrong, but it cannot be corrected.

                  Game is too fast flowing. The goal technology works as its on a watch and is live but penalty decisions wouldn’t be. The ref would have to give it and then watch it back why everyone complains; but then how do you restart play if it wasnt a dive and was just a bad call?[/quote]

                  Very difficult how to use technology without unduly slowing the game. Need to find a way though sooner rather than later.

                  Whatever system eventually gets used, the principle should be that it is used to support the officials. A borderline decision shouldnt be changed, only one that is clearly wrong (that could be another worm can though :ohmy: )[/quote]

                  I’ve yet to see any convincing argument about how it could be used without either slowing the game or at worst ruining it.
                  Any system that allows a team X amount of appeals per game will just be exploited e.g. marginal offside decision in the last minute which the liner doesn’t give & an opponent is clean through on goal. Team X appeals to prevent the chance, play stopped, replay proves the player was onside – how is play re-started. Or if they allow the chance, at what point is play stopped? When they miss? when they score? if it goes out for a corner 3 minutes later?

                  Any system that allows someone in the stand to review the game & pull the referee or assistants up if they make a mistake – all that does is completely undermine the refereeing team & when players realise they’re making mistakes or the ref is being told what to do by someone else, their match control disappears & dissent & stuff ruins the game

                  At the end of the day, referees make mistakes – the one on Saturday made a stinker in a) thinking it was a foul & b) thinking it was inside the area & an argument could be made that it cost Latics at least a point. However the ref made less mistakes than most, if not all, the players & missed chances, mis-placed passes, poor marking had more of an effect on the result than the ref did & it’s the same in every game.

                  Back to the original topic – yes the game on Boxing Day is a must win for Latics

                  #153316
                  SammySammy
                  Player

                    The wider issue for me is using technology to help the officials. How exactly it would work God knows, but it’s wrong that everyone watching on TV can see a decision is wrong, but it cannot be corrected.

                    Game is too fast flowing. The goal technology works as its on a watch and is live but penalty decisions wouldn’t be. The ref would have to give it and then watch it back why everyone complains; but then how do you restart play if it wasnt a dive and was just a bad call?[/quote]

                    Very difficult how to use technology without unduly slowing the game. Need to find a way though sooner rather than later.

                    Whatever system eventually gets used, the principle should be that it is used to support the officials. A borderline decision shouldnt be changed, only one that is clearly wrong (that could be another worm can though :ohmy: )[/quote]

                    I’ve yet to see any convincing argument about how it could be used without either slowing the game or at worst ruining it.
                    Any system that allows a team X amount of appeals per game will just be exploited e.g. marginal offside decision in the last minute which the liner doesn’t give & an opponent is clean through on goal. Team X appeals to prevent the chance, play stopped, replay proves the player was onside – how is play re-started. Or if they allow the chance, at what point is play stopped? When they miss? when they score? if it goes out for a corner 3 minutes later?

                    Any system that allows someone in the stand to review the game & pull the referee or assistants up if they make a mistake – all that does is completely undermine the refereeing team & when players realise they’re making mistakes or the ref is being told what to do by someone else, their match control disappears & dissent & stuff ruins the game

                    At the end of the day, referees make mistakes – the one on Saturday made a stinker in a) thinking it was a foul & b) thinking it was inside the area & an argument could be made that it cost Latics at least a point. However the ref made less mistakes than most, if not all, the players & missed chances, mis-placed passes, poor marking had more of an effect on the result than the ref did & it’s the same in every game.

                    Back to the original topic – yes the game on Boxing Day is a must win for Latics[/quote]

                    Agree with all of that and that our defeat was down poor defending rather than a dodgy penalty.

                    Isn’t FIFA trialling video replays and has recently been used in a match?
                    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/historic-moment-referee-viktor-kassai-9455294

                    #153321

                    Rotherham have been pretty hard to beat lately late goal against Wednesday saw them off. I think some on here are expecting it to be 3 points im not so confident with our own form and luck.

                    #153326
                    jamescJamesC
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                      Rotherham have been pretty hard to beat lately late goal against Wednesday saw them off. I think some on here are expecting it to be 3 points im not so confident with our own form and luck.

                      Not confident with our luck, but we are playing alright stuff, we can comfortably beat Rotherham. Start Yanic and Jordi and it is a win.

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