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That’s quite possibly true. I also find his (and Vat’s) insinuations that if you support Martinez, then you must be gay, a little bit worrying.

Loudmouth has put his own particular brand of spin on this. Wigan were actually the 11th highest spending team in the Premier League. Net spend was £6.75 million (about the price paid for Boselli). Take into account however, that the net spend for the previous year was MINUS £15 million, with close to break-even on the previous two years. Clearly a percentage of this money was earmarked for transfers, with the rest of funds coming from the one-in, one-out policy.

I don’t need LMB to put any kind of spin on the figures as I remember seeing SKY showing them earlier on in the season. I’m also well aware of what has been brought in in terms of player sales. For me its you who’s trying to put “spin” on the figures. It doesn’t alter the fact that Bobby has been given quite alot of money to spend on players in comparison to many other managers in the top flight who are making a far better fist of things than he is. He didn’t sell anyone this summer anyone who went he decided to release – he just added to the squad (Boselli, Di Santo, McArthur, Alcaraz, Cleverley, S Caldwell, Al Habsi) & yet the teams performance has got worse. I don’t care what happened 2 or 3 years previously in terms of player sale it doesn’t alter the fact that this summer (within budget – every club has one) was able to get rid of the players he didn’t want, keep the ones he did & add the players he wanted & its got worse.

Did you actually watch the same game as me? He made two substitutions, we got a goal back, and were camped out in their half until the end of the match. Aside from an equaliser and a winner, what more can you ask for?

Boyce was flagging and was replaced by the more attack minded Stam – who incidentally, looked dangerous when he came on. Thomas was having a stinker (in my opinion), and was replaced by Watson who again, is more attack minded than Thomas, and has the ability to pass the ball in forward motion. McCarthy came off with ten minutes to go, and a third striker was thrown on.

We scored with the help of a massive deflection with a shot that was going nowhere & other than that huffed & puffed but didn’t make their keeper make one save of any note (if any saves at all). That’s what I expect – I expect a manager with the ability to say “we’re 2-0 down here & need to get back into the game quick, they’re comfortably containing us so I’ll change things round a bit to get em out of their comfort zone” not “we’re 2-0 down, this system is working fine, the players are all in the ideal positions for their skill sets, and we look like we can go on & win this with the help of a couple of deflections to our wayward shooting & poor final balls so I’ll just take off a tired player & someone who’s having a stiner & keep everything as it is
I don’t deny Boyce was flagging or that Thomas needed replacing but you could have taken off those same 2 players & put a far more attack minded set up out there at a time when Villa were quite happy sitting on what they had
And yes an equaliser & a winner would have been great had we come anywhere close to getting one. Apologies for nto being happy that we scored with a deflected shot & had an effort which went narrowly wide :roll:

Correct. I’m sure even the biggest optimist wouldn’t claim it to be performance of the season, but it was nowhere near as bad as some were claiming on this forum last night.

Fair enough but I guess some of the frustration comes from the same old story of basic errors costing us goals (in this instance 2 from a player he signed), having the lions share of possession but doing little with it – yes we had 22 shots on goal according to one stat I saw but very few of em tested Friedel

What an absolute crock of sh7te! At the end of the day, the person Martinez need to please most is Whelan. If not, he’ll be out of a job. If he keeps the books balanced and hits targets, he’s doing well in Whelan’s eyes. However, do you really think Martinez is under the impression that he is doing a good job in the fans’ eyes by being in the bottom three? Do you think he has lived in a bubble for the last few years and has not seen what has been happening in recent seasons at his old club, and what supporters’ expectations are? Yes rant and rave on a forum such as this, but what positive effect can booing at a game or singing ‘You don’t know what you’re doing’ have? Do you think he doesn’t watch TV or read newspapers, and will subsequently see his team and performances being slated?

To be fair I take your point about who Bobby needs to please & him knowing he probably isn’t doing the best of jobs despite what he may say in the press, and to extent the lack of positives that booing & the chant of “you don’t know what you’re doing” would have had on him or the team but:
a) if he knows he isn’t doing a good job in the fans eyes (who at the end of the day do count as we are paying customers – ignore what we’re after & people will vote with their feet) why does he seem so incapable of learning from his mistakes
b) How else as a paying customer/supporter can somebody let Martinez know that they are far from happy with his efforts?

No Tyldesley, it isn’t a case of being ‘brain dead’, it is a case of loyalty, support, optimism, and being realistic. Martinez will not be sacked by Whelan, so what options do you have left?
1. Complain and stay away from games
2. Support your team and try to encourage them because there’s nothing else you can do to change it.

I’d call it mindless optimism. To be optimistic I have to have some evidence that the optimism is justified otherwise its blind faith. Martinez has given me no indication from the last 2 seasons that he is in anyway shape or form the right person for the job, in this division or any other division. Just because Whelan has stated he won’t sack him (just like he said he’d never employ a foreign manager!!) doesn’t mean I should just shrug my shoulders and accept the drivel which has been served up in the vast majority of Bobby’s reign. I’ll still be supporting Latics long after Bobby & Whelan have gone as I’m sure you will. That’s my idea of loyalty & support not in my mind mindlessly cheering & encouraging whatever lame efforts I get to see – for what its worth i won’t boo or chant anti-Bobby stuff during games but if its been poor I will do at half time & full time. Its the only way I can let them know I aint happy.
It might not achieve owt but what will cheering them after a dreadful performance achieve either??

It’s looking likely we will go down, and yes we will still attract good young players – albeit relative to the division we are in. If we get promoted again, then we’ll sign Premiership quality youngsters again.

If you are gay and paranoid, do you think people are always talking behind your back?

Could be a bit of a problem that could.

Is she fit? Fitter than that bird Berlusconi has been knocking about with?