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I see there’s a lot of threads on here regarding the sending off of Connor Sammon. So I thought I’d add a bit more into the mix. I know Phil Dowd’s not best respected at Wigan and I’ve got to agree with a lot of the posts on here about his apparent bias away from the Latics. However, looking at the way the game’s played these days I think he was taken in by Carrick’s theatricals over a slap to the face. The way he walked away out of the challenge probably did make Dowd think he’s taken a worse injury than he actually did. If we’d had another player within 20 yards of Sammon, Carrick wouldn’t have abandoned his defensive duties so easily and would have continued to play the game. He got Sammon sent off and (as good as) admitted it on MOTD. The game’s being ruined at the moment by players/teams continually trying to con referees more than ever, so making their job even more difficult. In my opinion there’s got to be a video referee to stop all the cheating that goes on in today’s games….If we’d had one on Monday Sanmon would definately have stayed on the pitch.
I see there’s a lot of threads on here regarding the sending off of Connor Sammon. So I thought I’d add a bit more into the mix. I know Phil Dowd’s not best respected at Wigan and I’ve got to agree with a lot of the posts on here about his apparent bias away from the Latics. However, looking at the way the game’s played these days I think he was taken in by Carrick’s theatricals over a slap to the face. The way he walked away out of the challenge probably did make Dowd think he’s taken a worse injury than he actually did. If we’d had another player within 20 yards of Sammon, Carrick wouldn’t have abandoned his defensive duties so easily and would have continued to play the game. He got Sammon sent off and (as good as) admitted it on MOTD. The game’s being ruined at the moment by players/teams continually trying to con referees more than ever, so making their job even more difficult. In my opinion there’s got to be a video referee to stop all the cheating that goes on in today’s games….If we’d had one on Monday Sanmon would definately have stayed on the pitch.I’m all for it when looking at whether a ball has crossed the line, however I doubt it would ever get used for instances such as Sammon’s sending of. If a referee is given free reign on when to look at a video, he will. I’m sure Tyldesley will post and disagree, but I maintain that if a referee has the opportunity of double checking a decision, he’ll (or she’ll….) take it.
Restrict when it can be used – ie. to judge whether it’s a goal or not – and you restrict the times it can be used, and stop the game becoming stop-start.
I see there’s a lot of threads on here regarding the sending off of Connor Sammon. So I thought I’d add a bit more into the mix. I know Phil Dowd’s not best respected at Wigan and I’ve got to agree with a lot of the posts on here about his apparent bias away from the Latics. However, looking at the way the game’s played these days I think he was taken in by Carrick’s theatricals over a slap to the face. The way he walked away out of the challenge probably did make Dowd think he’s taken a worse injury than he actually did. If we’d had another player within 20 yards of Sammon, Carrick wouldn’t have abandoned his defensive duties so easily and would have continued to play the game. He got Sammon sent off and (as good as) admitted it on MOTD. The game’s being ruined at the moment by players/teams continually trying to con referees more than ever, so making their job even more difficult. In my opinion there’s got to be a video referee to stop all the cheating that goes on in today’s games….If we’d had one on Monday Sanmon would definately have stayed on the pitch.
I’m all for it when looking at whether a ball has crossed the line, however I doubt it would ever get used for instances such as Sammon’s sending of. If a referee is given free reign on when to look at a video, he will. I’m sure Tyldesley will post and disagree, but I maintain that if a referee has the opportunity of double checking a decision, he’ll (or she’ll….) take it.
Restrict when it can be used – ie. to judge whether it’s a goal or not – and you restrict the times it can be used, and stop the game becoming stop-start.[/quote]
You’ve a good point there Standish… but a sending off or penalty decision could be a result changing decision. Where there’s millions of pounds at stake in the current game, maybe 2 minutes of decision time would define the right decision and referees wouldn’t be embarrassed by the replays shown on MOTD where they’re shown to be wrong. I’ve no doubt Sammon will get his red card rescinded in view of the video evidence.
I see there’s a lot of threads on here regarding the sending off of Connor Sammon. So I thought I’d add a bit more into the mix. I know Phil Dowd’s not best respected at Wigan and I’ve got to agree with a lot of the posts on here about his apparent bias away from the Latics. However, looking at the way the game’s played these days I think he was taken in by Carrick’s theatricals over a slap to the face. The way he walked away out of the challenge probably did make Dowd think he’s taken a worse injury than he actually did. If we’d had another player within 20 yards of Sammon, Carrick wouldn’t have abandoned his defensive duties so easily and would have continued to play the game. He got Sammon sent off and (as good as) admitted it on MOTD. The game’s being ruined at the moment by players/teams continually trying to con referees more than ever, so making their job even more difficult. In my opinion there’s got to be a video referee to stop all the cheating that goes on in today’s games….If we’d had one on Monday Sanmon would definately have stayed on the pitch.
I’m all for it when looking at whether a ball has crossed the line, however I doubt it would ever get used for instances such as Sammon’s sending of. If a referee is given free reign on when to look at a video, he will. I’m sure Tyldesley will post and disagree, but I maintain that if a referee has the opportunity of double checking a decision, he’ll (or she’ll….) take it.
Restrict when it can be used – ie. to judge whether it’s a goal or not – and you restrict the times it can be used, and stop the game becoming stop-start.[/quote]
You’ve a good point there Standish… but a sending off or penalty decision could be a result changing decision. Where there’s millions of pounds at stake in the current game, maybe 2 minutes of decision time would define the right decision and referees wouldn’t be embarrassed by the replays shown on MOTD where they’re shown to be wrong. I’ve no doubt Sammon will get his red card rescinded in view of the video evidence.[/quote]
I’m with Standish on this (and I suspect quite the majority of the football fraternity)……..
Goal line technology ‘could’ be the way ahead, however, to stop a highly paced, trumped, derby, relegation deciding game……..for the sake of a ‘hand’ in the face could (would) ruin some teams (and financial) futures. Let’s not overcook this. We have a good game here – and we ‘think’ we are hard done by (as do a lot of other teams here).
However…..micromanagement is not the answer, (it’s the discussion in the bar that makes for a better night out).
Take this discussion any further and we will end up with the ‘four’ hour nonsense games they have ‘stateside’ …….men in striped shirts delivering ‘pies and root beer’ every ten minutes.
Keep the game as it should be….raw at times – fast, ugly, but football as ‘WE’ know it…..without the bias of some southern t!t deciding if it was/was not a foul.
FFS……it’s a game of football.
I’m all for it if it helps even out the decisions in favour of the little clubs. What worries me is not the actual technology, but the fact that someone like Phil Dowd will ultimately be the video ref so we may be no better off.
Yep…Good reply Mickey I agree with that. It’s a bummer though when we all know our player has been sent off without committing any offence. Fair enough, we’d have lost to Utd anyway, but what if Sammon’s sent off for a similar thing against Wolves on the last day of the season when the winner stays up. You’re probably right and it will make bar-room talk for years to come, but the technology’s there to prevent that happening.
Yep…Good reply Mickey I agree with that. It’s a bummer though when we all know our player has been sent off without committing any offence. Fair enough, we’d have lost to Utd anyway, but what if Sammon’s sent off for a similar thing against Wolves on the last day of the season when the winner stays up. You’re probably right and it will make bar-room talk for years to come, but the technology’s there to prevent that happening.Thank you Ex…………..yes it is; but (today – in my opinion) only as ‘goal line technology’.
Stopping a game…..fouls, throw-ins, corners etc ‘will’ ruin the game as we know it. If we go down the line of investigating every misdemeanor then we might as well hand in our season tickets …….
………because that’s just not football.
Yep…Good reply Mickey I agree with that. It’s a bummer though when we all know our player has been sent off without committing any offence. Fair enough, we’d have lost to Utd anyway, but what if Sammon’s sent off for a similar thing against Wolves on the last day of the season when the winner stays up. You’re probably right and it will make bar-room talk for years to come, but the technology’s there to prevent that happening.I agree that it can be a season deciding moment, however, it could get to the point where the referee checks every foul as he may have missed something to send or not send a player off.
And then, where does it stop? Offsides, throw ins, corners – we know they can all change a game.
As Mickey said, you’ll end up a four hour US style spectaculars, where everything is clinical and analysed, and there’s nothing open for debate.
EDIT: Mr C….you are clearly quicker on the keyboard than me.
I fully agree with the goal line technology, it’s a joke that this isn’t in place now. In addition I’m thinking of penalties and sendings off. These are big decisions whether it was inside or outside the box and whether there was actual contact. In most cases easily proved in a few seconds. How long does it take to rewind your home TV digibox back 30 seconds. I’m sure Sky/BBC etc have better systems than we have.
Just to add to my last post…If players knew they we’re going to be captured on video, perhaps they wouldn’t cheat so much and it could be a way of bringing normality back to the game. We may have a season of hold-ups while the cheats were identified but then things may get back to the way the game should be played…or am I just dreaming?
I fully agree with the goal line technology, it’s a joke that this isn’t in place now. In addition I’m thinking of penalties and sendings off. These are big decisions whether it was inside or outside the box and whether there was actual contact. In most cases easily proved in a few seconds. How long does it take to rewind your home TV digibox back 30 seconds. I’m sure Sky/BBC etc have better systems than we have.These “are” big decisions……….taken by the referee.
Leave it………it’s the way we like our football.
;)
You’re right, it is…I don’t want to see anybody posting on here that we should never have been relegated by a bad refereeing decision. It’s all part of the game. ;)
You’re right, it is…I don’t want to see anybody posting on here that we should never have been relegated by a bad refereeing decision. It’s all part of the game. ;)You bad ass!!!!! ;)
I suppose when it comes to it……we will stay up.
……regardless of the referees.
;)
I’m sure Tyldesley will post and disagree, but I maintain that if a referee has the opportunity of double checking a decision, he’ll (or she’ll….) take it.As it happens I agree with you & said pretty much the same thing on another Latics website only last week.
If you allow video technology to be introduced for everything then the ref is gonna be that scared of making a mistake & “not using the tools available to them” that they’ll start using it all the time.
There’s also the added problem that at what point do you stop play? A Ref could thinka foul has been committed & blow for it to be checked as a team is attacking. If the footage then shows that no foul was committed the attacking team are gonna be mightily peeved. So in that instance does the ref wait for the next time the ball is out of play. That could be several minutes down the line & if the footage shows a foul was committed is play brought back & a free kick awarded with the 4 minutes of time added back on. It’ll be a nightmareMy worry with goalline technology is that it will be the thin end of the wedge i.e. when it works well are people then going to start arguing “look how well its work it’d be stupid not to introduce it elsewhere during the game” & then as someone has stated you’ll end up with 3 hour games
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