Substitutions

Forums Cockney Latic Main Forum Substitutions

Viewing 10 posts - 1 through 10 (of 10 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #176016
    garswood_laticGarswood_latic
    Manager
    • 523 Posts Started
    • 5,882 Participant
    • 6,405 Total Posts

    Really well done yesterday. A great result.

    But … (this wouldn’t be a Wigan board if there wasn’t a but) ….

    In my personal opinion we almost threw the game away with poor substitutions. We took off our three most effective players (again in my opinion) and replaced them poorly. So my point is:

    I know the game now allows for three substitutes. But why do managers feel they have to use them (this isn’t just Latics of course). I understand if you’re playing poorly then you need to try a different mix. I understand that if Nick Powell is playing you need to have someone warmed up at 60 minutes. But when the team is purring, or at least ticking over nicely, why do we need to change the parts that are functioning well? You wouldn’t do it with your car.

    Tiredness is a dumb answer. Players train to play 90 minutes, and 8 of the team play that long anyway, players often look disappointed to be taken off, so why is it done “just because we can”?

    Is it that we’ve become too reliant on the men with the iPads monitoring the sports bras? “Oh, Clarkey’s getting tired, the graph shows it”. So he should if he’s been running around. When did you last see a player come off the pitch covered in sweat like you used to in the old days? They’re professional footballers who should be running themselves to exhaustion. They have a week to recover while they can count the money they’ve earned.

    Our finishing team yesterday was effectively the team that has done poorly for us over the past few months and it showed. The new boys had shown how to do it, but got taken off.

    And, as I said, I suspect that’s because we can, and chosen by the men with the iPads.

    I would have no problem if we play well and make no subs at all.

    #176019
    donnys pageDonnys Page
    Player
    • 580 Posts Started
    • 4,786 Participant
    • 5,366 Total Posts

    Precisely what we were saying at the time but it could be looked at two ways either shoring up and supporting the defence or sitting back.
    As it was Gibson came on and had a stinker and Garner didn’t add anything at the other end.
    Dunkley looked uncomfortable too. Fox may have tweaked something though. It’s that old one of attack is the best form of defence but in hindsight we got away with it this time but if we had kept the positive outlook who knows we may well have scored again. Main thing is the gap for the drop has widened and we are around 18 points from safety which is just six wins.

    #176023
    SammySammy
    Player
    • 61 Posts Started
    • 2,192 Participant
    • 2,253 Total Posts

    We got away with an absolute nailed on penalty for them when Jacobs handled in the box. A bad decision going our way for a change.

    #176024
    MR BrownbillMR Brownbill
    Player
    • 178 Posts Started
    • 1,529 Participant
    • 1,707 Total Posts

    Absolutely agree about the substitutes, and defo a pen. 3 pts all that counts yesterday but will have to improve to climb clear of relegation zone.

    #176025
    thty5yearswafctrevor hoy
    Player
    • 95 Posts Started
    • 1,876 Participant
    • 1,971 Total Posts

    thought fox tweaked his hamstring that’s why he was off

    #176026
    jrfatfanjrfatfan
    Player
    • 486 Posts Started
    • 4,426 Participant
    • 4,912 Total Posts
    Absolutely agree about the substitutes, and defo a pen. 3 pts all that counts yesterday but will have to improve to climb clear of relegation zone.

    Will you please stop harping on about the fekin relegation zone. We are 7 points clear of it, how many games will it take those bottom 3 to get 7 points? They are in the bottom 3 because they are not winning games. You seem to be trying to convince yourself and others that we will be in a relegation fight on every thread.

    From Matlock to ManU
    What a journey!

    #176045
    jimmycjimmyc
    Player
    • 86 Posts Started
    • 1,610 Participant
    • 1,696 Total Posts

    Poor subs in my opinion and cooky nearly cost us the points.

    No need for Clarke to come off he looked fine (irrespective of what the ipad said) and was a handful. Garner came on and did nothing as usual.

    Pilkington had a quiet game for sure, but Gibson just isn’t in the same league. Stray passes from the moment he came on and contributed in us being under pressure.

    If fox did have a hamstring problem then it didn’t hamper him running off the pitch. Fox could be that calming influence our defence needs?

    #176046
    jimmycjimmyc
    Player
    • 86 Posts Started
    • 1,610 Participant
    • 1,696 Total Posts

    Absolutely agree about the substitutes, and defo a pen. 3 pts all that counts yesterday but will have to improve to climb clear of relegation zone.

    Will you please stop harping on about the fekin relegation zone. We are 7 points clear of it, how many games will it take those bottom 3 to get 7 points? They are in the bottom 3 because they are not winning games. You seem to be trying to convince yourself and others that we will be in a relegation fight on every thread.[/quote]

    Relegation was too close for comfort Jr. We were only five points clear before the weekend. We’re away on Saturday so every chance we’ll lose and could be back in it..

    #176100
    Vat69Vat69
    Player
    • 304 Posts Started
    • 3,755 Participant
    • 4,059 Total Posts

    Good post this, GL. Thank you.

    I do think that substitutions are one of Paul Cooks weaknesses. Sometimes, it feels as if he is changing things for changings sake, not because a player needs changing, specifically.

    Different if you are 3 up with five minutes left and want to give someone a run out, or are losing. But not 2 or 3 changes if the opposition have time to get back in the game.

    #176110
    SammySammy
    Player
    • 61 Posts Started
    • 2,192 Participant
    • 2,253 Total Posts
    Good post this, GL. Thank you.

    I do think that substitutions are one of Paul Cooks weaknesses. Sometimes, it feels as if he is changing things for changings sake, not because a player needs changing, specifically.

    Different if you are 3 up with five minutes left and want to give someone a run out, or are losing. But not 2 or 3 changes if the opposition have time to get back in the game.

    Clarke and Pilkington were flagging and Fox looked like he’d done his hamstring. Gibson was poor and repeatedly gave the ball away with Garner committing his usual sin of giving away unnecessary free kicks, some in dangerous positions in our own half.

    So I wouldn’t blame Cook for making the changes which were necessary and like for like considering who we had on the bench. It was the players who weren’t up to it.

Viewing 10 posts - 1 through 10 (of 10 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

Forums Cockney Latic Main Forum Substitutions