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    LostockHallLaticLostockHallLatic
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    Given that there is no substantiated evidence of any dodgy dealings surrounding the sale of WAFC, the only explanation appears to be the ensuing panic that income streams were not sustainable as a result of the Pandemic, and the Chinese owners knee jerked into a hasty sale.
    If this is not deemed to be as a result of Force Majeure, then surely this closes off the opportunity to protect any other football league club from events that are attributed to the pandemic crisis, and thus sets a new precedent.
    I guess the Chinese owners, could in their only defence, claim that it was better to throw the towel in early; rather than let the debts spiral into absolute insolvency and a certain end for Wigan Athletic.

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    NuneatonlaticNuneatonlatic
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    I dont see how on gods Earth this cannot be dodgy Ali.

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    Yes, we all know that it’s dodgy; but my point is there is no evidence, so does this actually strengthen the case for a claim of Force Majeure ?

    Given that this is obviously not a normal set of circumstances that lead a club into administration, you would think that the EFL might save judgement until some evidence is uncovered and sentence can be determined with a good level of certainty. I mean, the EFL are highly unlikely to rescind our punishment at a later date.

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    The problem I have Ali is that my understanding of the EFL is that one of their remits is to protect its members. In Burys and our cases they have done quite the opposite.

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    SprinGy1960SprinGy1960
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    The EFL has already ruled out the ‘Covid’, as a defence.

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    Yeah I mean how can a global pandemic that has brought the worlds economy crashing to a halt not affect a sport that is soleley funded by the playing of games or Spectatoda paying to attend games? Be a few fuckin force majeures popping when this second wave comes round and no fans attend games this year! Get your point Lostock. If this aint a force majeure the EFL could dig themselves a right hole going forward.

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    Yes, we all know that it’s dodgy; but my point is there is no evidence, so does this actually strengthen the case for a claim of Force Majeure ?

    There’s no evidence that you or I know off doesn’t actually mean mean there is non. Let’s take this at face value, Krasners came in to try and sell the club to raise as much cash as possible. The first thing the said in the Wigan Today was “It would be easier to sell the club if we were in League One, I think they meant due to the high wage bill.

    So there sole roll is to sell the club whichever way or means possible and raise the most amount of money as and pay all creditors that I think we can all agree on. So they then decide to sell stock (a player) to raise funds to pay ongoing bills and 500k of much needed money is then used to pay for an appeal?, and why?, especially when their sole purpose is to raise as much cash as they can from the sale of the club.
    My thought is this;

    They took advise based on evidence “THEY” have and know of not earsay paper talk bollox like betting scandels Parry used to deflect the EFL fcuk up’s (did a good job there m8). No I’m sure Krasners who have access to all the books and a mile long of paper trail evidence that something illegal took place. And why do I think this ?, as I previously stated, how would it benefit the club or the Krasners based on their statement regarding easier to sell in League One. Well I can only think of one thing, Krasners took advise from as far as I can read into, one of the best in the business, Hill QC used by the FA and the Prem.

    I’m sure they asked him to look at the case as you or me would do when approaching a lawyer and asked would it be worth pursuing. Krasners would not have made the decision lightly and so quick to appeal lightly and quickly if they didn’t smell but saw a couple of rats in Way and Choi and proof at hand especially when they are using money from the dispersal of the club not some billionaire owner. When you think of it they are basically selling stock any new owners would have inherited to fund the appeal, very strange.

    They are not bet365 they don’t gamble or risk take they are ruthless in their approach and I’m sure they wouldn’t also be paying the EFL’s legal bill if they were not very very confident (with evidence) that some kind of fraud or corruption took place amoungst the 3 takeovers, IEC, Choi then Way.

    I have changed my mind from thinking the appeal is a waste of time to thinking that,
    We will win the appeal but we won’t get the 12 points decision reversed more like we’ll get a points reduction say 3 or 6 etc but enough to keep us up. The the ELF get their punishment to keep face even though they know full well they have totally fcuked up so keeping face and we stay up.

    Now as for any other clubs appealing against our appeal say Barnsley or Sheff Weds (if they get done 12-21 points)

    they can’t all clubs have signed were they are not allowed to challenge appeals. Basically it keeps all parties happy, we stay up and lets be fair, Barnsley full well deserve to go down after spending 99% of the season in the bottom 3

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    There’s no evidence that you or I know off doesn’t actually mean mean there is non. Let’s take this at face value, Krasners came in to try and sell the club to raise as much cash as possible. The first thing the said in the Wigan Today was “It would be easier to sell the club if we were in League One, I think they meant due to the high wage bill.

    So there sole roll is to sell the club whichever way or means possible and raise the most amount of money as possible and pay all creditors that I think we can all agree on. So they then decide to sell stock (a player) to raise funds to pay ongoing bills and 500k of much needed money is then used to pay for an appeal?, and why?, especially when their sole purpose is to raise as much cash as they can from the sale of the club.
    My thought is this;

    They took advise based on evidence “THEY” have and know of not earsay paper talk bollox like betting scandals Parry used to deflect the EFL fcuk up’s (did a good job there m8). No I’m sure Krasners who have access to all the books and a mile long of paper trail evidence that something illegal took place. And why do I think this ?, as I previously stated, how would it benefit the club or the Krasners based on their statement regarding easier to sell in League One. Well I can only think of one thing, Krasners took advise from as far as I can read into, one of the best in the business, Hill QC used by the FA and the Prem.

    I’m sure they asked Hill QC to have a quick look at the case as you or me would do when approaching a lawyer and asked would it be worth pursuing. Krasners would not have made the decision to appeal so if they didn’t smell but saw a couple of rats in Way and Choi and proof at hand especially when they are using money from the dispersal of the club to fund the apeal and no billionaire owner to pay for it. When you think of it they are basically selling stock any new owners would have inherited to fund the appeal, very strange.

    They are not bet365 they don’t gamble or risk take they are ruthless in their approach and I’m sure they wouldn’t also be paying the EFL’s legal bill if they were not very very confident (with evidence) that some kind of fraud or corruption took place amoungst the 3 takeovers, IEC, Choi then Way.

    I have changed my mind from thinking the appeal is a waste of time to thinking that,
    We will win the appeal but we won’t get the 12 points decision reversed more like we’ll get a points reduction say 3 or 6 etc but enough to keep us up. The the ELF get their punishment to keep face even though they know full well they have totally fcuked up so keeping face and we stay up.

    Now as for any other clubs appealing against our appeal say Barnsley or Sheff Weds (if they get done 12-21 points)

    they can’t all clubs have signed were they are not allowed to challenge appeals. Basically it keeps all parties happy, we stay up and lets be fair, Barnsley full well deserve to go down after spending 99% of the season in the bottom 3

    • This reply was modified 8 months, 3 weeks ago by cup winnerscup winners.
    • This reply was modified 8 months, 3 weeks ago by cup winnerscup winners.
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    The EFL has already ruled out the ‘Covid’, as a defence.

    The case isn’t being heard by the EFL.

    They’re quite right though I fear. Using my car example from another thread, you can’t buya car that does 1MPG and then take it back when you need to fill it up every 2 hours.

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    Hope you are right, Cup Winners !

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    That’s my theory my opinion nothing else. What we know as fans is snippets. The Administrators see the whole cabooble, lockstock and 2 smoking chinese men. I just cannot for the life of me understand why they have pushed so quick using funds from a collapsed company.

    I’m sure Hill QC has looked at the case and thought yes you have a very very good case we can win this. They wouldnt spend the money even if there was a hint they would lose it would mean they are risk taking and not doing their job properly. They would normally use funds to help sell the club and pay creditors not fight an appeal, very strange indeed or just super super confident which I think is the case

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    The sale of WAFC is now the biggest worry and this needs to happen quickly but by who?
    Buying an expensive business where the only income can be selling your assets for the foreseeable future will require both someone totally dedicated and totally loaded.
    Pay day will be around soon.

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    I’ve got to agree Donny. Rumour was, Lennegan wasn’t even in the top five bids which says alot.
    It needs a maverick gun ho type character to own a club like us but with a clever business head and Koukash for me fits the bill.

    Plenty money, shows passion, not scared of risk taking and comes out and says it as it js. At least when he left Salford he left them on good terms and in a far better place than they were before his arrival.

    Everything for me is pinned on the appeal. If for some miracle we lose then I’m afraid things will awful tricky with assets been sold to pay bills.

    Can someone please answer me 1 question,
    What is the name of the bank/lender the Administrators are working on behalf of ?. There’s never been a mention of were Choi or even that prick Way got the money from.

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    I’ve got to agree Donny. Rumour was, Lennegan wasn’t even in the top five bids which says alot.
    It needs a maverick gun ho type character to own a club like us but with a clever business head and Koukash for me fits the bill.

    Plenty money, shows passion, not scared of risk taking and comes out and says it as it is. At least when he left Salford he left them on good terms and in a far better place than they were before his arrival.

    Everything for me is pinned on the appeal. If for some unforeseen reason we lose then I’m afraid things will awful tricky with assets having to be sold monthly if not weekly to pay bills.

    Can someone please answer me 1 question,
    What is the name of the bank/lender the Administrators are working on behalf of ?. There’s never been a mention of were Choi or even that prick Way got their money from. Or is that the administrators trump card to prove a major fraud took place and the EFL failed to use Google

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    Somebody once said when we made it into the big time that the story would have made a far fetched Hollywood film.
    What has happened since is beyond even that remark and some but one thing gives me hope and it’s that backs to the wall underdogs tag that we have always had and still have about our club.
    It’s arguably what makes the club so likeable up and down the country and has done for decades.
    Nobody with any sense of mind would spend half a million quid defending a points deduction I’d there wasn’t any hope of winning the case especially at a club in administration.
    Reading the Barnsley twitter feeds over the past few days suggests that the euphoria from last week is now swiftly turning to apprehension.
    Believe!!

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