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is not now! why fans are so impatient i just don’t understand. He has been in the job only a few months. In that time people expect you to turn it around and everything in place; as to how you want it to pan out over the next few years. It just can’t work like that, and we need to be backing him. He is one of us and will fight tooth and nail to get us playing better.
In my eyes you can only judge Roberto when he has had sufficient time to get players in who he likes, but more importantly time to get players out!! this is a massive factor that fans don’t even think twice about. We have some very poor players on high wages which are blocking future transfers.
So for me, judge him when he has had at least 3 or 4 transfer windows to play with. Fulham are a very good example of what can be done if you let the manage get on with things.
“Fulham are a very good example of what can be done if you let the manage get on with things”
Eh??? Fulham sacked Chris Coleman coz it looked like he was gonna take em down & then wewre very quick to sack Lawrie Sanchez several months later when it looked like he was about to do the same & got Hodgson in
To me Fulham are an example of a club who realised they had a manager hopelessly out of his depth & who acted quickly in getting shot of him & bringing someone with a wealth of top level experience. This is what has brought them their rewards at the moment!!in my eyes Hodgson has been left alone by chairman and fans to get on with his job.
Each season bringing in new players and getting rid of players he’d been landed with, from past managers.
The team is now his – his signings!! his Team!! they are being judged on what Roy Hodgson has set in place and are doing very well.
That was my point.
Fulham were struggling under him early doors yet he was left to get on with things.
They only escaped relegation on final days of season.
differance between us and fulham is their chairman dips in his pockets our`s is filling his ,we wont go anywhere with championship players and the here today gone tomorrow players ,heard rodders wants a mover to a bigger club ?,,figs could go to sunderland we are just a stepping stone ,then they wonder why a few stay away .
unfortunately for us we are not a big club and do not have the attractions that some wealthier clubs have. We advertise our club as a come and play well and move on type of package.
I think though that was reinforced by Bruce and Jewell.
Hutchings tried and Martinez is doing a better job at supporting the club and actually bigging us up with regards to how we are percieved across the footballing community.
I do think that Martinez, given the time he needs can get us playing some very decent football, and bring in some good players.
i hope he gets the time though. It’s not easy when the fans turn on you, and i think unfairly that, that is starting to happen.
That’s true and a very good point has been made.
DW has not exactly opened his cheque book and told Bobby to go out and spend, he has not been given much money at all and next month should see Bobby get rid of some of the dead-wood (sell or loan) and bring in some players who will change our season around (hopefully).
He is interested in Heskey and Tamudo, both are 30+ but Bobby knows they have the experience we need. We have a squad full of young players (counting 25/26 and under as relatively young) and only a few older heads including some who just aren’t good enough.
In my opinion, Bobby will have had the 1st half of the season to weigh up his squad and he should now realise who is and isn’t good enough. Players such as De Ridder, Kapo, Koumas, Cho, etc etc have only featured on the bench at best and if any have made the 1st team they haven’t proved anything and have therefore been dropped (Koumas).
He has signed good players in Thomas and Diame and he must try to keep hold of players such as Scharner, N’Zogbia, Figueora and Rodallega as for me, these are our 4 strongest players.
We are in desperate need of a centre back (maybe even 2) as we are leaking goals and looking very poor defensively, we need cover at right back (Johnny Palacios has been mentioned over and over again in the build up to Jan), we need a creative player in midfield + 2 forwards (a winger and a striker or 2).
For me, Boyce and Scotland (2 regulars over the last few months) should be squad players and the likes of Melchiot, Bramble and Thomas need to have competition as they can have the odd bad game (quite regular recently) and they will start again the following week. They would only be squad players at other rival clubs so why are they guaranteed a start at Wigan? Hopefully come Feb they won’t be and players will be made to fight for their place and work for the shirt.
Bobby has a great tactical brain, I think we all know that and alot of people are questioning the staff, the players and the manager himself but you must look at the bigger picture, he’s only been in the job a matter of months, if at the end of the season we avoid relegation that will be enough and he can build on the team once again at the end of the season ready for next year.
We were s**t at the back end of last season Jan onwards, I wanted Bruce out and Martinez in and i’ll stick by that! I was made up when Bobby was announced new manager and i’m still happy he’s back home now. This is where he wants to be, where he belongs and we should all be behind a true Latics legend!
“Fulham were struggling under him early doors yet he was left to get on with things.
They only escaped relegation on final days of season”
If I remember rightly he came on relatively late in a season & slowly turned things around, culminating in their last escape from relegation & he has built from there. I don’t think he’s even been in the job 2 years
I understand the point you are trying to make just think you’ve used a bad example“Bobby has a great tactical brain”
Can I just ask where the proof behind such a statement is?? I can see one tactic & one tactic only. If I’m missing something please let me know coz I see a team devoid of heart, direction, steel, confidence, fight & with a captain who openly admits that when his team go 2 goals down there is nothing the manager can do to turn it around.
I wonder if David Moyes & the Everton players thought that with 13 minutes to go on Sunday??I really want Bobby to succeed but at the moment he is showing very little that convinces me he can. Even a glimmer would do but the same mistakes are being made over & over again from team selections, to formations, to tactics
Tyldesley lad your sounding like vat give Roberto a chance see what happens in January :roll: :roll:
“Tyldesley lad your sounding like vat” :o :o :o
Seriously though. How long is giving him a chance??
Hutchings quite clearly wasn’t up to the job & made the same mistakes time & time again without learning from them. At the time we heard from his defenders “yeah but we played well in the first four games that show’s what they can do” & “give him a chance”
Bobby now is making the same mistakes game after game. His good to bad signing ratio is pretty poor in my opinion & all we’re getting back to defend him is “yeah but we beat Villa & Chelsea, that shows what they can do”, “give him a chance” & the new one “he loves Latics”
After Hutchings, Bruce showed what a decent manager could do with the same team & Hutchings was kicked out of the door just in time.
I can forgive someone mistakes if they learn from them. If they repeat them over & over again that indicates a bigger problem.
The “give him a chance” brigade seem in my opinion to be burying their heads in the sand when it comes to his shortcomings”Tyldesley lad your sounding like vat” :o :o :oSeriously though. How long is giving him a chance??
TL, I have always respected your opinion here, even though i think this one of the few subjects we disagree on.
To answer your question, I would suggest a bit longer than half a season. If we have the same squad and around the same number of points come the end of January, I might, just might, chgange my mind.
Absolutely bang on Alex , well said.
Most of our current problems come down to the fact that our squad players are simply not good enough.
Mr M29 , that’s why , even when things aren’t going well , Bob can’t change the tactics or even personnel too much , because he just doesn’t have any decent options on the bench.
As you also say there’s no heart , fight or leadership in the team , but hopefully when the January window shuts some of these problems will have been rectified. I still don’t expect us to be the finished article but do reckon we won’t be letting teams off the hook , as we are currently doing.
I can see your points & don’t wanna see knee jerk reactions but my worry is that if Whelan had waited until a month or so after the january transfer window before sacking Hutchings then I have no doubt that Latics would have been relegated. If he hangs on & gives Bobby the go ahead to sign some more of his own men & ship out the deadwood & we still have the same problems the I fear it’ll be too late for any manager to rectify the situation & latics will go down.
My worry is also that the poor squad argument has 2 flaws – 1) 7 of the recognised first team squad are Bobby men. IMO 4 of them aren’t good enough for the top flight & 2 I haven’t seen play. If we allow him to sign more will they be good enough & 2) Under Bobby’s stewardship our previously superb defensive unit has crumbled. All 4 (5 if you include Kirkland) can’t have become bad players overnight & a hell of alot of the blame for this has got to be pointed at Bobby & his coaching staff’s direction. What is the point in allowing him to sign more players if they are going to be given either bad coaching & instructions or coaching & instructions that are beyond their abilities??
I hope over the coming period that Bobby proves me wrong but I got it right with Hutchings although by the same token I’ll be honest enough to say I got it wrong with Jewell in his first season as I’d have had him shipped out by this time in the season. Hopefully Whelan is seeing things behind the scene that give him the same confidence in Bobby that he had in sticking with Jewell
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