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Yosser, did you read that article posted by Griff? If so, did you digest and understand it?
I’ll guess the answer to one of those questions will be no.
For the past half dozen seasons there have been frequent postings of financial articles and reports regarding Wigan Athletic’s finances, which all explain simply but in some detail, where the money from TV and gate receipts (etc) go, and why the club needs to sell its best players.
I am yet to see an article written by somebody with a journalistic or financial background demonstrating how Dave Whelan is the sole cause of Wigan Athletic’s debt, and how he has been making a tidy profit from the club whilst pulling the wool over the unsuspecting supporters’ eyes.
Yes, you can question the manager’s ability and his tactics. Yes, you can question Whelan’s announcement and his sincerity when speaking to the media. All of these things however, are subjective and you will never get everyone to agree on a stance no matter how forcefully you argued the case.
The issue of Wigan athletic paying out more money than it receives on the other hand, is fact, and cannot be debated even by the most deluded and frustrated Whelan hater.
If you cannot see this, or refuse to see this, then there is clearly some other underlying dislike for the man, because surely nobody’s judgement can be that clouded.
We had 20 odd thousand, Dave drove them away with his ridiculous ‘sell our best players whenever we can policy’
I dont think so the most season ticket holders has been fifteen thousend down to around eleven now
What debt did we have when he took over, About £250,000 so if the club was in 58m of debt then that is Whelan who put the debt there in the first place.
we hardly had a club when he took over in fact he payed the wages for a few monthys before he took over
Then he says “oh look what i have done for this club, Look at the size of my wang”
certain jealousy taking over clouding judgement again
The amount he get’s every year from sky and transfers then gives a manager say 5m of it to spend on players.
are you under the impression evryone working at the club are on minimum wage ?
And i have never worked for him. That’s just another shield you use when someone dares to question him.
If you’ve never worked for him you have some misguided and clouded judgement of the man
1. “You get us promoted Paul Jewell and you can have the 25m bonus for getting there to spend on new players and i will double it” Bull, If Jewell had 50m to spend he would have spent it. Not 6m. Now i do understand that spending 50m would have been impossible at that early stage, But he shouldn’t say it if he doesn’t mean it, Just to get fans through the turnstiles.2. “I can categorically say that there will be no players moving in this transfer window” Then what happened, Palacios and Heskey walked.
3. “In 3 years i want us to be challenging for Europe” Then when he realised it’s much easier and financially rewarding to survive every year just he now says “Well we just want to avoid relegation really” Yeah, really going to get the fans pouring in that one Dave.
1 – Dave Whelan backed Paul Jewell with big money to make transfer bids & salary offers for Michael Owen & Scott Parker. Both bids were accepted but knocked back by the players who preferred to go elsewhere. Now you can argue whether these were publicity stunts on Whelan’s behalf or not but the fact of the matter is that official bids were put in. You even acknowledge yourself that it is unlikely that the club could have spent big that summer no matter what they tried what with the club being “certs to go down”. If I recall correctly Paul Jewell himself said that the club tried everything it could to get star signings like the above but that they just couldn’t spend it. The subsequent “disappearance” of this fabled “war chest” is more likely to do with the financial realities of Wigan Athletic being in the top flight than it has to do with a certain chairman taking the pish out of the fans & pocketing the dough
2 – I don’t recall Whelan saying that about players being sold in the transfer window. not saying it didn’t happen just that that isn’t how i recall events. What I can recall is Steve Bruce saying that the club would be mad to sell its star players in the January transfer window when challenging for Europe & that he would rather Heskey leave for nowt in the summer having helped Latic achieve that position than cashing in on him now & weakening the squad. I then recall that the next day Whelan very publicly slapped his manager down & stated that all our players were available if the club’s valuation was met & that if Heskey indicated that he wouldn’t sign a new deal in the summer then he would be sold as latics could not risk losing him for nothing. Now I will argue till my dying day that the club could & should have held on to its players until the end of the season & still feel what happened in January 2009 was a real kick in the guts but I don’t remember Whelan ever saying in the run up to that month that no-one would be sold in teh transfer window
3 – Whelan did state about us challenging for Europe but I’m pretty certain that when he said it he was expecting 25,000 crowds every week all paying the £35+ that the club tried to charge in its 2nd season up. Not to mention the increased advertising & corporate revenue that would come with those crowds. I’m sure that the stated change in aim by January 2009 to “staying up” has more to do (as with my point 1 above) the financial realities of Latics being in the top flighth whilst seeing crowds slip season upon season, ticket prices remaining pretty static & advertising & corporate revenue nowhere near what the club was anticipating. Now he could splash money out hand over fist to try & achieve that original aim but it would be risking the long term future of Wigan Athletic
Don’t get me wrong its depressing knowing that every season Latics remain in this division is more than likely to be a long hard slog to avoid the drop but a) I don’t want to see my team fail at anything so if this is what is needed to avoid that failure then that’s the way it is & b) I would rather have a struggling Wigan Athletic to support than no Wigan Athletic at all
You use an example in your post of West Brom progressing but they are notoriously cautious with their cash & their chairman has been slated for it as they’ve bobbed up & down from premier league to championship for the last 8 or 9 years. They did relatively well last year coz that chairman bit the bullet when he didn’t think Di Matteo had what it took to keep the club up & had the perfect man lined up as a replacement. They made a big money signing this summer but the fee involved was only marginally more than Whelan has authorised for Boselli as little as a year or so ago
Just out of interest as well, as I’m not that up on Wigan Warriors, but how did Dave Whelan screw them in relation to Central Park as you intimate on the thread you posted on Monday at 11pm?
Tyldesley, I was agreeing with you until your veiled sideswipe at Martinez.
Whelan didn’t bit the bullet because he thought Martinez was the man to keep us up – and he’s been proven right, twice.
It actually wasn’t intended as a swipe at Martinez – I was talking about West Brom not Latics & was trying to say that Jeremy Peace could see somet that showed him Di Matteo wouldn’t keep them up & rather than show loyalty & stick with him regardless as a gesture for getting them up in the first place he shipped him out for someone that he felt could keep em up
Any coincidence you see in that to the situation at Latics last season is in your mind not mine!!! ;)
As you’ve pointed out the Whelan/Martinez situation is different & I’ve stated in the past that Whelan can obviously see something in Bobby that I can’t coz he’s not exactly been shy in pulling the trigger on managers before
However as I’m someone with previous in slating Bobby I’ll let you off with this one slip up ;)
You mentioned Boselli and given your track record you can’t blame a lad for jumping to conclusions….
I mentioned Boselli to show that (regardless of the fact that he turned out to be a bit of a flop) that Whelan will invest in the team just as much as a club like West Brom invested in Long this summer
I also picked on West Brom as the original poster held them up as an example of “having a go” when in fact they’re actually an example of how to not risk the long term financial future of the clubWhilst you mention Boselli though – WTF was Bobby thinking???? ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Even now though, if someone said we were signing the top goal scorer in South American football I’d still be putting the bunting out and planning a garden party.
Good post followed by a load of k nob head comments, look lads just dont go the game on saturday, go and follow the fugby, note i say follow and not support, !!!!! dont add any further comments, and dont log onto this forum again.
bloody wigan ath doom and gloom merchants, you give us a bad name and moan about the media`s take on us.
Good post followed by a load of k nob head comments, look lads just dont go the game on saturday, go and follow the fugby, note i say follow and not support, !!!!! dont add any further comments, and dont log onto this forum again.bloody wigan ath doom and gloom merchants, you give us a bad name and moan about the media`s take on us.
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The thing is I can half understand some fans concerns over the football side of things because we haven’t been brilliant this year (having said that it is a fans duty to support them through thick and thin, and I will do forever) but to have the ignorance to slate Whelan in the way in which has happened on this thread which was meant to be a positive one is beyond belief. No one can actualy be so thick so I conclude they are just attention seekers trying to be controversial.
Everyone has views on tactics and how to play football, I personally am slightly dissapointed with our start and think we need to start picking points up because we wont get many in December, however with the injuries we have had and who we have played and when, it is not panick stations just yet, we are still in October FFS.
If you realy are so Anti Whelan and Martinez then dony bother going to games and come back when we have a Bill Kenyon and Kenny Swaine back in charge. Just stop boring us with the repetative, miserable, depressing, comments because in all honestly nobody regards your views as valid because if we signed Drogba and appointed Fergie you would say why sign that over the hill has been and put a Scottish united reject in charge.
god there is some crap talked on here , mr wheelan would sell the latics tomorrow ///// But who would buy the latics would love to know from some of you on here who you think would do //// maybee some chicken farmers like blackburn have /// or some one who bought notts county /// be real he might not be everyones cup of tea but we know were we are /// it was daves dream to take us in the prem and he did it and for that im very thankfull //// as for selling players thats how it will be and its a way of getting them in the first place //// if we signed a top player we still wouldnt get the crowds its a town not a city
I don’t know how people can have a go at Whelan/Martinez, it’s not as if there here to take the mick! Whelan is like any of us, he’s a business man.. he put in a lot of money into othe club, he deserves to get some profit out of it!
As for Martinez being wrong for the club because we’ve lost a couple of games, I remember when Chris Hutchings was manager we were (briefly) top of the league but then lost 8 games in a row and then he got sacked… after Jewell went and then Hutching’s, we decided to bring Bruce back and it worked for only to show he true colours and sod off to Sunderland for more money.. again, and who can really blame him? if someone offers you a better job with more money you not going turn it down.
That’s where we come to Roberto Martinez he knows exactly what he’s doing and what he wants that is why he turned down the villa job! yeah he’s not having the best of times at the min but I find it funny how people want him out after he sown such loyalty to the club!
Yes there are flaws in Martinez theory especially on the new players.. Albert Crusat for one how he hasn’t started regularly is beyond me.. the same with David jones and how he’s pressing for a starting place but you have got to think that is the way Rodallega was brought in and look where he is now, yeah we’ve lost the last set of matches but when you think, Boyce was injured (now on his way back but still not fit), Stam god knows why he isn’t playing but he’s recently coming back into the squad but still isn’t fit, Alcaraz is injured, Patrick Van Annholt is a young player who hasn’t played against this quality of footballers. Figueroa isn’t at his best but probably just a phase, and il be honest I don’t rate Gary Caldwell.. yes he’s our captain and he a regular for Scotland but that just my opinion.
Then you have Boselli situation and i am not afraid to say it I have slagged him off but then when you think about it.. he deserves another chance.. last season we were all slagging off Franco Di Santo for doing nothing and look he’s our top goal scorer this season after being given a chance. But this is the Wigan that we know yeah were not the best in league yes were going to get slated for our attendances and players we buy.. are we going to be like Nottingham Forest and Bristol city and get rid of our manager as soon as things go tits up.. and get us into even more trouble! Were never going to be the best team in the world with the best players (for a while at least :D ) but we still should get behind our club!
Anyway thats my opnion..
I don’t know how people can have a go at Whelan/Martinez, it’s not as if there here to take the mick! Whelan is like any of us, he’s a business man.. he put in a lot of money into othe club, he deserves to get some profit out of it!As for Martinez being wrong for the club because we’ve lost a couple of games, I remember when Chris Hutchings was manager we were (briefly) top of the league but then lost 8 games in a row and then he got sacked… after Jewell went and then Hutching’s, we decided to bring Bruce back and it worked for only to show he true colours and sod off to Sunderland for more money.. again, and who can really blame him? if someone offers you a better job with more money you not going turn it down.
That’s where we come to Roberto Martinez he knows exactly what he’s doing and what he wants that is why he turned down the villa job! yeah he’s not having the best of times at the min but I find it funny how people want him out after he sown such loyalty to the club!Yes there are flaws in Martinez theory especially on the new players.. Albert Crusat for one how he hasn’t started regularly is beyond me.. the same with David jones and how he’s pressing for a starting place but you have got to think that is the way Rodallega was brought in and look where he is now, yeah we’ve lost the last set of matches but when you think, Boyce was injured (now on his way back but still not fit), Stam god knows why he isn’t playing but he’s recently coming back into the squad but still isn’t fit, Alcaraz is injured, Patrick Van Annholt is a young player who hasn’t played against this quality of footballers.
Figueroa isn’t at his best but probably just a phase, and il be honest I don’t rate Gary Caldwell.. yes he’s our captain and he a regular for Scotland but that just my opinion.
Then you have Boselli situation and i am not afraid to say it I have slagged him off but then when you think about it.. he deserves another chance.. last season we were all slagging off Franco Di Santo for doing nothing and look he’s our top goal scorer this season after being given a chance.
But this is the Wigan that we know yeah were not the best in league yes were going to get slated for our attendances and players we buy.. are we going to be like Nottingham Forest and Bristol city and get rid of our manager as soon as things go tits up.. and get us into even more trouble! Were never going to be the best team in the world with the best players (for a while at least :D ) but we still should get behind our club! Anyway thats my opnion..Ever thought about doing an audition for ‘little britain’ ?
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