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    Hindley blueHindley blue
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    Thought we played quite well today and IMO definately edged the game and probably should have won it. But here lies our problem we don’t score enough goals and I fear although things have improved slightly we don’t have enough games left to survive.

    Here’s a question for anybody if a team is struggling for goals would not playing two up front double your chances of getting a goal??????? Not rocket science IMO.

    #62850
    jrfatfanjrfatfan
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    Thought we played quite well today and IMO definately edged the game and probably should have won it. But here lies our problem we don’t score enough goals and I fear although things have improved slightly we don’t have enough games left to survive.

    Here’s a question for anybody if a team is struggling for goals would not playing two up front double your chances of getting a goal??????? Not rocket science IMO.

    No it wouldn’t!! :naughty:

    The system bobby plays is all about possession, winning the midfield battle.
    Once this battle is won you can then feed your wide men and get players supporting the attack.
    Do you not think we created enough chances yesterday against a good champions league outfit?? :clap: Just check the stats.

    Play 2 out and out strikers from the start and you’ll find the likes of Modric, Jenas and co would have run riot and their front 2 would have got the number of chances that would have killed us off.
    Give Defoe 3-4 chances I’ll guarantee he scores at least one.

    Our problem is not the system, its simply the standard of finishing. :angry-soapbox:

    From Matlock to ManU
    What a journey!

    #62851
    tea bag headTea Bag Head
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    I was just about to say something on the lines of

    Get your tin hat out Hindley – you are going to get battered by the light side for even thinking that we play 2 up front
    How dare you have a go at Bobs tactics and the fact we cant put the ball in the net

    Looks like it has already started though :roll:

    #62853
    jamie-sonjamie-son
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    Thought Bobs system & subs were spot on today, just the finishing lets us down again.
    We must win at blackpool now cos we’ll get nowt nxt wk

    #62855
    jrfatfanjrfatfan
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    I was just about to say something on the lines of

    Get your tin hat out Hindley – you are going to get battered by the light side for even thinking that we play 2 up front
    How dare you have a go at Bobs tactics and the fact we cant put the ball in the net

    Looks like it has already started though :roll:

    Did we or did we not create enough chances to win the game yesterday?

    It’s not a case of the lightside defending Bobby’s tactics, its about putting the case forward that the system he plays does create chances.
    You could put 4 centre forwards on the pitch, but if they don’t take their chances……. :snooty:

    If you follow Hindley blue’s logic lets put those 4 centre forwards on and quadrouple our chances of scoring eh?
    The game is a lot more complex than that I’m afraid, some of us seem to understand it, others apparently don’t. ;)

    Shall I get my tin hat out Tea Bag Head? :angry-banghead:

    From Matlock to ManU
    What a journey!

    #62858
    keepthefaithkeepthefaith
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    The standard of finishing can be called however how many clar chances did we actually have to score? The only one I can think of was Sammon? Also jrfartfan you mention about getting the ball to the wide men this is fine but how many times do the wide men cut back inside which is frustrating as we looked so narrow at times especially towards the end of the game

    #62860
    jrfatfanjrfatfan
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    I remember that on at least 3 occasions we had players running in on goal with just the keeper to beat.
    How many chances of that ilk would any system create? :think:

    It’s just about finishing, a man on horseback can see that!. :roll:

    From Matlock to ManU
    What a journey!

    #62861
    loudmouthbluedamian walker
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    I was just about to say something on the lines of

    Get your tin hat out Hindley – you are going to get battered by the light side for even thinking that we play 2 up front
    How dare you have a go at Bobs tactics and the fact we cant put the ball in the net

    Looks like it has already started though :roll:

    Did we or did we not create enough chances to win the game yesterday?

    It’s not a case of the lightside defending Bobby’s tactics, its about putting the case forward that the system he plays does create chances.
    You could put 4 centre forwards on the pitch, but if they don’t take their chances……. :snooty:

    If you follow Hindley blue’s logic lets put those 4 centre forwards on and quadrouple our chances of scoring eh?
    The game is a lot more complex than that I’m afraid, some of us seem to understand it, others apparently don’t. ;)

    Shall I get my tin hat out Tea Bag Head? :angry-banghead: [/quote]

    well i for one dont understand a system that sees us bottom of the table, on the brink of relegation,lowest amount of goals scored, worst goal difference, least number of games won, 4th worst goals conceeded with a possible tonking at chelsea next week to come.

    so can you please explain the “complexities of the game ” to me, one who suffers from this serious lack of understanding that martinez’s supporters seem to have in abundance

    from what i have always been led to believe by the great managers like clough, shankly, busby, paisley -football is a simple game -why complicate it.

    #62870
    jrfatfanjrfatfan
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    If you read the posts we are discussing the situation about not playing two up front being the reason we are not scoring goals.

    My point is we ARE creating chances with this formation, but not purrin um away, you pilluck! :roll:

    Seems like you are actually in the “don’t have a fekin clue about tactics ” catagory. :doh:

    From Matlock to ManU
    What a journey!

    #62874
    NuneatonlaticNuneatonlatic
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    Football is a results business end of and if you dont score you dont win games but tactics shape a game as well and can determine a teams destiny. I always prefer 2 forwards as i believe it gives the opposition more to think about and gives you more chance of keeping the ball. Imagine your playing us knowing we struggle to score and we always go 1 up top, obviously your gonna set up with a positive formation and go for it. Maybe if we changed occasionally we may have more joy but Bob is not for moving and will play his rigid formation even if we go down. Good managers know how and when to change tactics and are rewarded with results. We havent many chances left to get it right and i fear those around us will want it more than we do and will do anything it takes to get points on the board.

    #62875
    jrfatfanjrfatfan
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    So what you seem to be saying is, if we change tactics, the players who are missing chance after chance each game may start scoring? :angry-banghead:

    We all have our own views on this and rightly so, what we all must understand though is….. and listen to me carefully….BOBBY WON’T CHANGE HIS SYSTEM!! :snooty:

    From Matlock to ManU
    What a journey!

    #62878
    truelatic4evatruelatic4eva
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    These `Football Manager` games ave a lot to answer for!

    #62895
    psklpaul tymon
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    The system aint working, just look at the table, trouble is martinez is a champioship manager at best,

    #62900
    StandishWalkerStandishWalker
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    The system aint working, just look at the table, trouble is martinez is a champioship manager at best,

    Martinez is a young, inexperienced and naive manager. Is that what you mean?

    The ability to be a good manager in the Premier League often comes with experience and education. It isn’t determined on your physicality – unlike with players, so there’s no reason why a good Championship Manager cannot become a good Premier League manager.

    #62903
    loudmouthbluedamian walker
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    The system aint working, just look at the table, trouble is martinez is a champioship manager at best,

    Martinez is a young, inexperienced and naive manager. Is that what you mean?

    The ability to be a good manager in the Premier League often comes with experience and education. It isn’t determined on your physicality – unlike with players, so there’s no reason why a good Championship Manager cannot become a good Premier League manager.[/quote]

    there is no reason whatsoever a good championship manager should not become a good premier league manager – trouble with that theory though is, history says the opposite – the only one who you can say has managed it and stayed in a premiership job long term is david moyes – now that is not a big return on 20 years or so of premiership history.

    as well as that you need to factor in the possibility that martinez wasnt actually a good championship manager !

    after all he didnt win anything or get swansea promotion to the big time, something that is a distinct possibility under brendan rodgers, who actually learned his trade for 5 years under a manager considered by many to be the best in the world.

    when he got the latics job martinez’s cv included :-

    won promotion from div 1 to the championship and finished just outside the playoffs the following year,

    rumour has it that celtic wanted him (for christs sake they employed world class managers like john barnes,strachan and mowberry )

    he had history with wigan athletic, was well liked by both the chairman and fans.
    and to be honest not a lot else.

    The facts actually say, it is only opinion that martinez was a good manager previously and only time will tell if he ever turns out to be one at all, and his history at wigan athletic shows he is worse this season than in his first season.

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