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I don’t think it was the only option at all
Edman could have gone off, Melchiot could have swapped to left back, Boyce could have moved to right back, Scharner could have dropped to centre half, formation could have changed to 4-4-2, N’Zogbia could have switched to left wing, Sinclair could have gone on the right wing & Rodallega could have moved up front
The back 4 wouldn’t have been ideal like that but IMO it would have been a far better option than moving our most potent attacking player on the day to left back & leaving Scotland up front on his todd.
We could even have put Kirkland up front , Scotland and Brenda would play as wing backs and Bob would go in goal.
I’m assuming you were having a laugh so thought I’d carry it on !!! :roll:
“and in the process totally disrupted the rest of the team”
So basically we can play 4-5-1 & that’s it yeah??? So if it aint working & the opposition are well on top our only option is a battering in a Pompey styley??
Or if we’re chasing a game or need a spark from somewhere to change a draw into a win its tough titty coz we can only play one way.Bobby knew Edman had only played one senior game in the best part of 18 months & that he’d get knackered towards the end. Its up to him to have some sort of contingency plan. If the only alternative he could come up with was same formation, but N’Zogbia at the back & Sinclair on the right (coz it worked so well against Portsmouth) then you have to ask whether he has the tactical ability to think his way out of certain situations.
The solution I said wasn’t ideal but offered us somet different & could have been worked on during the week, as could the other formational changes people have put forward – and as a result any disruption would have been minimal
As it was, his only change was to weaken the attacking options in a game where we should have been pushing on to win.
I’d rather see my team push on to try & win games where they’re in the ascendency, not settle for a point
I want Bobby to succeed & I like the way he’d prefer his team to retain possession if there is nowt on rather than aimlessly lumping it forward BUT likewise I’m disappointed that its 4-5-1 (regardless of who we’re playing) or nowt, I also think there are also times when they’re under pressure that a back 4 really do just need to smack it as far away as possible coz trying to get a back four who aren’t good enough footballers (when up against some of the world’s best forwards) to play their way out of trouble has cost us too many goals already this season and I’m worried he has turned one of the best defensive outfits in the division into one of the worst within 3 months“I’m assuming you were having a laugh”
Melchiot has played at left back in the top flight before
Boyce has played at right back in the top flight before
Scharner has played at centre half in the top flight before
Sinclair has played as a right winger in the top flight before
N’Zogbia has played as a left winger in the top flight before
Rodallega has played as a centre forward in the top flight before
Latics have even played 4-4-2 successfully in the top flight beforeIf Bobby had worked on a plan B or C its not so revolutionary to see that line up
You don’t go making wholesale changes 3 quarters of a way through a game. Christ’s sake!
Roberto will have worked on the gameplan all week in training, covering each player, their role, and what is expected of each individual. Just because your taking your left-back off, it doesn’t mean that you can chop and change the rest of the team to suit. Best way to end up losing, that.
No Premiership manager would think “Ok, let’s get Edman off, he’s knackered. Oh, I know, let’s totally change the formation, and let’s move a centre half who is right footed to Left back, and a midfielder to centre defence…and so on.
It’s all about minimal disruption to your line up.
We simply replaced a left footer WITH a left footer, and put a wideman on the right. Roberto was spot on. Can’t believe it is even being debated.
P.S. Melchiot is bad enough at right back, never mind left.
”and in the process totally disrupted the rest of the team”So basically we can play 4-5-1 & that’s it yeah??? So if it aint working & the opposition are well on top our only option is a battering in a Pompey styley??
Or if we’re chasing a game or need a spark from somewhere to change a draw into a win its tough titty coz we can only play one way.Bobby knew Edman had only played one senior game in the best part of 18 months & that he’d get knackered towards the end. Its up to him to have some sort of contingency plan. If the only alternative he could come up with was same formation, but N’Zogbia at the back & Sinclair on the right (coz it worked so well against Portsmouth) then you have to ask whether he has the tactical ability to think his way out of certain situations.
The solution I said wasn’t ideal but offered us somet different & could have been worked on during the week, as could the other formational changes people have put forward – and as a result any disruption would have been minimal
As it was, his only change was to weaken the attacking options in a game where we should have been pushing on to win.
I’d rather see my team push on to try & win games where they’re in the ascendency, not settle for a point
I want Bobby to succeed & I like the way he’d prefer his team to retain possession if there is nowt on rather than aimlessly lumping it forward BUT likewise I’m disappointed that its 4-5-1 (regardless of who we’re playing) or nowt, I also think there are also times when they’re under pressure that a back 4 really do just need to smack it as far away as possible coz trying to get a back four who aren’t good enough footballers (when up against some of the world’s best forwards) to play their way out of trouble has cost us too many goals already this season and I’m worried he has turned one of the best defensive outfits in the division into one of the worst within 3 monthsPerhaps Bobby thinks that with the squad of players he has, this 4-5-1 (or whatever it’s supposed to be) is the only way he trusts them to play. I don’t know, but it’s just a thought.
“You don’t go making wholesale changes 3 quarters of a way through a game. Christ’s sake!”
No offence but that is complete & total $h!te – plenty of managers will make wholesale changes 3 quarters of a way through a game if they want to change the course of the game. Some times its successful & some times it isn’t. I’d much rather see someone who has the ability to think his way out of a stalemate or a poor situation than someone who merely holds his hands in the air & says there’s nowt more he can do.
“Oh, I know, let’s totally change the formation, and let’s move a centre half who is right footed to Left back, and a midfielder to centre defence…and so on”
For a start I wasn’t proposing moving a right footed centre half to left back. I was proposing moving a right footed centre half to right back as he’s more than capable of playing there. Who I was proposing to move to left back was our right back. Now I know that in your vast experience of the South Lancs Counties or whatever league you say its nigh on impossible for a right back to play at left back but its been done by plenty of right footed players – not least very successfully by Man United’s best left back of the Fergie era – Denis Irwin
As for moving a midfielder to centre half – Paul Scharner is not a premiership quality midfielder in the memory of man & that won’t change no matter how many times he tells people that he is.The whole point of having a plan A is that you have a plan B if things don’t work. Martinez doesn’t seem to have that – yet
Perhaps in days gone by, but these days? No, wholesale changes are not the done thing.
How often do United, for example, start swapping players around to different positions, on a wholesale scale? No, they don’t.
It is usually a ‘like for like’ change.
No, I’m not saying it’s impossible for a right footer to play left back, it just makes sense to have a left footer in the role. N’Zogbia’s played there before for Newcastle, as well. It was, in essence, a ‘like for like’ change.
We won’t agree, but we all have our own opinions.
Scotland , fair play to him but for me he just dosen’t cut it for a premiership striker, he plays well on some matches but fulham for example he hasn’t got the pace.
“How often do United, for example, start swapping players around to different positions, on a wholesale scale? No, they don’t.”
Fergie does it quite regularly when he tinkers with his starting line up to play 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 & will then switch things later in the game if they aint going well & his players will swap positions. Against us several years ago (in the league game after the carling cup final) he changed the formation when they were 1-0 down & not looking like getting back into things by dropping Rooney into midfield & bringing van nistelrooy on. 15 minutes later we’d lost 2-1
Roy Hodgson changed his system & line up with 20ish minutes to go on Sunday to close the game out & you’ve praised him for itYou’re right we won’t agree but I feel by putting our best attacker on the day into the defence we threw away what chance we had of snatching a win. A mistake that was compounded by his unwillingness to change his system even when Fulham changed theirs
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