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    ere_WiginJeff Tudge
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    Last season, after four games, Bruce had only managed to get us 4 points so perhaps some people may gain a sense of perspective after reading this link.
    http://www.notapatchon.net/user-blogs/83-latics-soapbox/1935-was-steve-bruce-really-that-good

    So let’s see how Roberto compares with his predecessors after 10 games not 4.
    2005/6, 22 points Jewell
    2006/7, 14 points Jewell
    2007/8, 10 points Hutchings
    2009/10, 8 points Bruce (in relegation zone)

    Some teams do take time to settle into a new season. Take for instance last season, after ten games the league table was as follows:
    18 Wigan Athletic 8 points
    19 Bolton Wanderers 8 points
    20 Tottenham Hotspur 6 points

    Yet in May all three teams finished well outside the relegation zone.
    8 Tottenham Hotspur 51 points
    11 Wigan Athletic 45 points
    13 Bolton Wanderers 41 points

    Some of the bookies paid out on Stoke City being relegated well before the end of last season yet the Britannia Stadium crowd got behind the team so consequently, in May, they finished a creditable 12th place on 45 points.

    So it’s not how a team starts the season that matters it’s where it finishes in May that really counts.

    #8528
    Hindley blueHindley blue
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    Last season, after four games, Bruce had only managed to get us 4 points so perhaps some people may gain a sense of perspective after reading this link.
    http://www.notapatchon.net/user-blogs/83-latics-soapbox/1935-was-steve-bruce-really-that-good

    So let’s see how Roberto compares with his predecessors after 10 games not 4.
    2005/6, 22 points Jewell
    2006/7, 14 points Jewell
    2007/8, 10 points Hutchings
    2009/10, 8 points Bruce (in relegation zone)

    Some teams do take time to settle into a new season. Take for instance last season, after ten games the league table was as follows:
    18 Wigan Athletic 8 points
    19 Bolton Wanderers 8 points
    20 Tottenham Hotspur 6 points

    Yet in May all three teams finished well outside the relegation zone.
    8 Tottenham Hotspur 51 points
    11 Wigan Athletic 45 points
    13 Bolton Wanderers 41 points

    Some of the bookies paid out on Stoke City being relegated well before the end of last season yet the Britannia Stadium crowd got behind the team so consequently, in May, they finished a creditable 12th place on 45 points.

    So it’s not how a team starts the season that matters it’s where it finishes in May that really counts.

    Good post just not sure Bob has as much quality in his signings as Bruce did.

    Hope I’m wrong.

    #8530
    horchorc
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    You’re being far too sensible, the season is always over after 4 games isn’t it?

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    landgatebluelandgateblue
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    You’re being far too sensible, the season is always over after 4 games isn’t it?

    For fooks sake dont talk sense on here!

    #8536
    ere_WiginJeff Tudge
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    You’re being far too sensible, the season is always over after 4 games isn’t it?

    For some of our overly pessimistic supporters it occurs much earlier than that. With 102 points to play for it must be really depressing.

    #8547
    Vat69Vat69
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    Last season, after four games, Bruce had only managed to get us 4 points so perhaps some people may gain a sense of perspective after reading this link.
    http://www.notapatchon.net/user-blogs/83-latics-soapbox/1935-was-steve-bruce-really-that-good

    So let’s see how Roberto compares with his predecessors after 10 games not 4.
    2005/6, 22 points Jewell
    2006/7, 14 points Jewell
    2007/8, 10 points Hutchings
    2009/10, 8 points Bruce (in relegation zone)

    Some teams do take time to settle into a new season. Take for instance last season, after ten games the league table was as follows:
    18 Wigan Athletic 8 points
    19 Bolton Wanderers 8 points
    20 Tottenham Hotspur 6 points

    Yet in May all three teams finished well outside the relegation zone.
    8 Tottenham Hotspur 51 points
    11 Wigan Athletic 45 points
    13 Bolton Wanderers 41 points

    Some of the bookies paid out on Stoke City being relegated well before the end of last season yet the Britannia Stadium crowd got behind the team so consequently, in May, they finished a creditable 12th place on 45 points.

    So it’s not how a team starts the season that matters it’s where it finishes in May that really counts.

    Good post just not sure Bob has as much quality in his signings as Bruce did.

    Hope I’m wrong.[/quote]

    That’s a point. Does anybody else think that Bruce may have managed to have squeezed money out of Whelan a bit better that Roberto has? I just wonder if the almost ‘Father and Son’ relationship they have, or at least a very close one, may hamper things a bit? We haven’t really gone out and aimed at signing proven quality. Where as, at least with Cattermole we signed a player already proven to be up to the Premiership. I do worry that Roberto is having to ‘gamble’ a bit too much. I mean, this M’Bami, surely if he was any good he’d already have been signed?

    Are we scraping the barrel, a bit?

    #8550
    thtyoneyearswafctrevor hoy
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    I think the long drawn out saga in summer may have something to do with it .Whatever our target’s were over the summer have gone with Bruce and his team .
    We had a period were we were without a manager,coach chief scout couldn’t make signing’s while this was going on ,an example being when Birmingham snapped up the then Reading first choice goalkeeper on a free ,while we were faffing about with Swansea about Roberto and then is backroomstaff .

    Going to player’s signed does anyone think that the new chief scout at the beggining of june was thinking of signing premiership player’s while at a championship club .Personnally we have to give them time i’m sure next transfer window we will be going for a better calibre of player

    Keep the faith :D

    #8553
    Vat69Vat69
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    I think the long drawn out saga in summer may have something to do with it .Whatever our target’s were over the summer have gone with Bruce and his team .
    We had a period were we were without a manager,coach chief scout couldn’t make signing’s while this was going on ,an example being when Birmingham snapped up the then Reading first choice goalkeeper on a free ,while we were faffing about with Swansea about Roberto and then is backroomstaff .

    Going to player’s signed does anyone think that the new chief scout at the beggining of june was thinking of signing premiership player’s while at a championship club .Personnally we have to give them time i’m sure next transfer window we will be going for a better calibre of player

    Keep the faith :D

    Good points there, that make sense.

    I definitely felt that Hannehman would have been a good signing, and of course after being linked with Christian Benitez for so long, we then lost out on him as well. It remains to be seen if we’ll rue that one.

    But in all honesty, has there been an abundance of ‘proven talent’, and also players that would COME to Wigan, available? I can’t think of any. Would we have paid what Sunderland paid for Darren Bent? Not a chance. And quite right, as he was well overpriced. Would Crouch have come? No way.
    I think our best bet may have been nicking the ‘cream’ from Newcastle and Middlesbrough, if that doesn’t sound daft with them being relegated? But we missed out there.
    You are right when you say that next transfer window, we can aim for a higher calibre of player. Hopefully have a January of players coming IN, rather than going out. Though it will be interesting to see if there is any truth in Bruce wanting Figueroa.

    #8555
    ere_WiginJeff Tudge
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    Irrespective of what we should or shouldn’t have done during the Summer transfer window it’s now shut until January so now all we can do if fully support Roberto and the team.

    It is quite clear it will take time for the new players to bed in because of a number of factors:
    1. Although some speak Spanish they can’t all communicate properly yet.
    2. Some players families are still settling in so unless the player is happy at home he’s hardly likely to be performing to his best if his mind is elsewhere.
    3. All the players are getting used to Roberto’s style of play. Last season it took Zola a while before West Ham adjusted to his style of play.

    We need to get fully behind the team tomorrow. WestHam’s right back, Faubert, shows how fans can have and impact on a player’s performance when he says the following on the West Ham official board:

    Having switched to his preferred right-back berth from his former position on the right wing, the 26-year-old said the sound of supporters chanting his name had given his confidence a huge boost.

    “I feel more confidence and when you have the fans pushing you, you can run a little bit more and you don’t feel the fatigue. I am very happy about this. When I heard my name I was very happy. It’s good for my confidence and it’s good for the team.”
    http://www.whufc.com/page/News/0,,12562~1793327,00.html

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