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Have to agree although Weirs no Ronaldo he always puts himself about and does alot of the boring stuff.
But overall the straight matter of fact is the squad is poor that’s the simple truth.
Too many times I see the very very basic stuff like a simple 10-15 yard passes go astray or players that are unable to get a ball under control it’s frightening.
These are the very basics of football stuff your taught when your 6 but some of our players still haven’t mastered this ancient art.
Then there’s the thinking before you receive so you’ve an idea were the balls going before you received it but if you,
Can’t pass it
Can’t trap it
And don’t know were it’s gonna go before you get it ?,
You have absolutely no chance of building side not a cat in hells chance. This is simply down to the quality of the individual player and I feel some of ours (not all) are not even L2 level and I mean that.
When Portsmouth let us have Saydee and their fans gave glowing reports I thought , ummmmm, why?. That first game I was thinking we’ve pulled a coupe off there but slowly we all can see there was no method in their madness they let a very average player go, hes simply not good enough.
I think since that first game I’ve seen a handful of minutes were he’s actually played well the rest he offers very little and super easy to defend against hence why he struggles, he’s so poor I’d go as far to say he’s not even at non league level at his best.
Clubs like Portsmouth wouldn’t let a half decent prospect go that’s unless they knew he can’t cut the mustard. They knew exactly what they were doing shrewd business on their part while we clutched at straws in hope.
Hungbo blows hotter and colder than a blacksmiths tongues and as for Costelloe ? we have better in our U21’s any other side he’d be dropped and wouldn’t make the bench. I’m not sure what his role is another who’s super easy to mark.
There’s plenty more in the side I could mention but like I say the big burning million dollar questions are :-
1) Are some players just not performing
2) Are they playing at their max but are simply not good enough and L1 is a level too high for them ?
Or
3) Has Lowes poor man management skills which has recently come to the fore with his TV criticism and he’s lost the changing room ?
Some people criticise Lowe, tactially he’s tried it all, 1 up front 2 up 3 up 3 at back 4 & 5 all with mixed results but his man management skills are questionable and dubious and have me worried as a lost changing room seems to be on the horizon.
So up front Saydee & Mullin together is like oil & water. I wouldn’t say there not reading from the same page I’d go as far to say there in different libraries.
At times there so far part it’s scary. They should be looking for each other, playing off the back of one another but at times it looks like 2 individual forwards on the pitch doing their own thing. There so far apart at times ones on one wing the others on the other and the hole of Calcutta in the middle.
You cannot play any 2 of those 3 forwards together they do not compliment each other in any shape or form any partnership any 2 from 3 does not work that’s a fact.
For me it’s Geldhart 2 time were we drag a wet nosed young lad out the youth and throw him in the deep end.
And why do I say this you might ask?, well because we have no money and an owner who wants Michelin 4 star food with reduced priced date up end of freezer ingredients.
The teams not been clod together it’s been thrown together from the top of the tall flats in Scholes.
It’s a hotch botch of unwanted players with no value bar 2 who don’t look happy which Lowe has confirmed is the case with some who cannot wait till the season ends.
Come summer 2026 there’ll be the usual 15-18 gone either contracts up or sold (Tickle Carragher) and this yearly cycle carries on with no aim or long term plan.
I’m sorry but I can’t keep thanking Danson for saving us, thats well behind us at some point we need to build not botch a side.
As it stands looking at the current crop, the levels of some of them we’ll be lucky to make top half.
I spoke with a couple of lads in their mid 20’s and their picking and choosing.
I heard once that the alleged cost of putting a game in at the ground was as around 55k which is very steep and little wonder costs are being cut for these meaningless games.
There’s nothing wrong with cost cutting but turning the scoreboard off and closing every turnstile bar 2 so there’s like 2k-3k on and your queuing ?.
That bellend stupid EFL trophy is pathetic and should be scrapped altogether, no one’s arsed till the semi’sIt might have been a good idea 30 – 40 year ago but times have changed.
It became laughable when they decided to expand it and add U21 sides it became farcical.
It should be
No u21, straight KO straight to pens. I’d sooner see top non league thrown in say teams that missed out in the previous year play offs
I struggle with the Prem, every goals examined to try and find a reason not to give it. You’ve 3 to 4 guys looking at it in slow mo then go
“Your call ref” so what was the point. It’s easier for a Ref not to give it than give it.
Those decisions made by Ross Martin at Latics beggared belief. The one on the edge of the box were he waited 4-5 seconds then blew but the linesman who was just as close kept his flag down.
Footballs gone down hill it’s gone super quick. Woke cup cake candy floss football. Watch a game and most ref’s have their whistle in the mouths ready.
I’m like you I’m struggling with the state of the game. That ref spoiled the game, I get we won but with 10 men it could have easily been the reason why we lost
Shit refs
And as for the Wycombe player complaining from what I got told been called a vvanker, if true is that were were heading ?? Players been upset by swear words ?
I can tell you this, if we start getting games stopped for swearing and bannings come in that’s me done.
If name calling and banter becomes offensive the games over with for me
Football’s all about levels, a fully fighting fit Wigan should win but at the moment we’re not.
I just hope Lowe doesn’t feel the need to give anyone a 2 week break between league games.
There’s an EFL trophy game on the 11th he can give the young lads run out.
So a message to Lowe, please don’t disrespect a trophy that’s given us the greatest ever day in the clubs history
I noticed that, the whole place seems to be run on crumbs,
We all know the saying
If you pay peanuts you get monkeys
Some of the security staff could break wind nevermind a scuffle.
I’m just waiting for the West Stand to be cordoned off in the corner so when a club brings lets 500 or less they can close the North End hence penny pinch. Then the away fans can freely drink beer and walk through the concourse.
I bet Lowes thinking wtf have I done to deserve this ??. I said last year the whole place feels like a dull grey lifeless club with no soul or passion.
I’ll still say the best time we had for the feel good factor was under Talal.
We all know the outcome but for that short period of time we felt good and had hope.
Right now, I’m so close to not bothering. I know quite a few who have given up the ghost and no longer bother.
Weres the next gen gonna come from if we don’t ?, sad times. To me the catalyst was the Bolton game. Since then everything seems to have got gradually worse both on and off the field.
One minute we’re thinking, play offs here, the next minute relegation here
We’ve become the Man Utd of League One but without the funds to remove bad apples from the squad.
For me the overriding issue was, when all those players contracts ended and the squad was decimated we patched holes with unknowns and not wanted players for peanuts and free.
Like working on luxury flats refurb then asking the customers to move in without doing any work.
Dansons took over and we sat tight with a massive wage bill, clear it, and tried to build it on the cheap with unwanted players from lower leagues.
Lowes now discovered that unlike his counterpart up at Horwich he will get nothing.
Tickle will leave and the funds will go into no doubt propping up the rugby along with Carragher money.
I went an EFL trophy game and the end entrance leading to the seats was closed to save on the cost of a steward, the shutter was down, I’m not sure H&S would look upon that.
No scoreboard or announcer obviously to save on someone talking and pressing buttons.
My point is, if we’re that tight then what chance has Lowe ?. Maloney was sold false dreams and so has Lowe. He must have thought “I’ve hit the jackpot here, billionaire owner I’ll piss this League.”
Look at the squad, look at the quality, I see 2 possibly 3 the rest look unarsed don’t care, don’t give a toss. It’s a shambles of a squad with by the sounds of it with a few bad eggs stirring the paddle of discontent shit.
Lowe will get sacked not backed and the next guy will come in thinking the exact same as Maloney and Lowe.
At least with Lowe he’s “trying” to bring an attacking style of play, 2 up front 3 at the back. But the players are either not good enough or not responding to what he wants. If he plays 5 at the back one up top folk will be saying Maloney 2.
I watched his punditry at the end of the Huddersfield v Norwich game and to me he had a slight across the bow dig.
He basically said that certain clubs who can spend 1.2-1.5million on a player have all the pressure. He sounded like he’s saying, pressure? that counts me out cause I’ve spent f**k all !!.
For me let’s see change, drop these nobheads who don’t wanna play and get the fook shut !. Danson has to dip to help Lowe bring in or else were cooked.
I would sooner see Brenan Rodgers Graham Millar and others lobbed in here there and every where than end up in a relegation dog fight with a bunch of moaners and bellend non tryers.
My last point, can someone please explain why we signed Darcey and Mellish 2.5-3.5 year deals then loan out and replace with players no better.
I just hope Joe Riley is working his sack off for a Christmas outgoing & influx of players because with this current lot we will go down there’s no question of that, certain players want Lowe out.
We’ve had worse squads I get it
But
And a humongous
But
I cannot think of a squad were there’s been so much rumoured discontent bad apple dummy spitters and downing tools players and a manager making it publicly known.
They should send the moaners out on a weeks job swap scheme. Send them on a building site or 12 hour nights slinging boxes in a warehouse.
They need a fcukin serious reality check
I’m always baffled when a club sign a player, then a few games later loan him out, sign a replacement on loan no better than the player they’ve loaned out.
Mellish and Darcey were both signed on 3.5 & 2.5 year deals then loaned out a few months later.
I actually thought Mellish was growing into the job ok. He use to put himself about and just didn’t look fit tbh.
My point is, who the f**k is picking these players in the first place if a couple of months later their gone ??.
Were masters at this game, I’ve lost count the number of players we’ve signed then loaned straight back out then loan back in players who are average and cannot even get a game at their own club.
Saydee ?, he’ll be gone soon enough. To me he clearly looks like he doesn’t want to be here, whether it’s a case of, he can’t settle or he doesn’t get on with the manager I don’t know but something isn’t right and I’ll explain why I think this:-
In Lowes post match analysis after the Wycombe defeat he mentioned about certain players not picking up stuff (putting things away) after training and cleaning boots ??.
Now to me if this was a simple keep telling players like kids and a messy kids bedroom he wouldn’t mention it but it’s clearly annoyed him so much to the point that, he felt the need to tell the press which is alarm bell ringing time.
I never heard any manager come out with something so petty in an interview so to me he’s had a dust up with one or two over what’s probably petty things but they’ve mushroomed out of all context and because he’s the gaffer he’s like a dog with a bone.
I’ll bet anyone £20 that the current changing room is Chernobyl toxic with players, managers and staff clashing. I bet you can cut the atmosphere with a knife and it’s spilling into training and our match day performances.
Lowes facial expression in his interview and the way he mentioned about, “if you don’t do as your told your out” could make us or break him.
There’s no way we can from being electric in that opening day fixture to this. 8 players out that opening day started or featured against Wycombe.
There’s definitely something not right 100%. Some owners will back the manager when a changing is lost take Utd with Rashford and Garnacho. But we’re not Utd and we simply don’t have the funds to get rid and bring in replacements. And let’s not forget, we’ve an owner who, if he opened his wallet in the changing room every player would pull out an asthma inhaler.
I’m sorry but we all know how this one’s gonna end for Lowe,
like Dick Dastardly, he’s destined to lose
I’ve come away confused, I’m not sure what’s going on but it’s not happening for Lowe. I want it to go well for him simply because he started off so well.
Is it Lowe or is it the players ? that’s the bit I’m confused with or is it a bit of both ?.
We’re playing with three up front
Ooooops sorry, one forward because I don’t class Saydee or Costelloe as potential goal scorers.
There’s a problem and to me it doesn’t look good.
Has Lowe lost the changing room?. Someone said the players aren’t happy with the super intense training methods basically over cooking the players.
Whatever it is it needs ironing out
A.S.A.P
And the one against Wolves U21’s weren’t far behind, they were both tugging at each other
I realised after I typed it but for me it’s still an absolute bellend ruling that should be scraped for me, you sign him for 12 months, pay his wages you should be able to play
I’m not so sure that was the reason Costelloe was left out I think it was more of a formation thing. We played with the one up top so it would be pointless having 2 forwards on the bench and Mullin would always win over Costelloe.
Also, why was Adeeko left out? same applies to Trevitt and Wright, I’m thinking as your thinking, he’s giving instructions out and their not taking them on board hence young Jack Rodgers made the bench which is brilliant to see.
At least Lowes prepared to change things up especially when it’s not working. He knows he hasn’t got that 2 or 3 quality players that every good side needs so he’s experimenting which we can’t knock.
Overall it wasn’t a sparkling performance but it was all about stopping the rot so 5-4-1 was for me the right thing to do.
There’s nothing we could have done about that joke of a pen but at least we managed to score and what a ball by Saydee to Murray and same goes to Murray, a top finish.
But yeah, I hoped Lowe wouldn’t take the same path as Maloney sticking to the same system and players so I’m glad he’s brave enough to swap mix & match.
The simple truth is, we have a decent average squad not much flare all about effort.
As the saying famous saying goes:-
“insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”
Lowes proving if you work hard and play to a game plan your in (oh and scouse)
It’s all about the depth of the squad, and ours is a kiddies paddling depth. 2 up front would work but 2 out the 3 forwards are lacking so Lowe needs to revert to one up top.
Is it just me been a bellend but is M.Smith a creative midfielder and not a holding midfield ??.
This is the 2nd manager who’s stuck him in front of the defence. Did Maloney leave Martinez’s handbook on the side for Lowe?.
I personally don’t think the players are playing for him and Lowes tactics don’t help.
3 at the back, 2 wingers trying to defend and a disorganised midfield isn’t helping. Cardiff were for large parts of the game playing 2-4-4 or 3-3-4.
They made sure they high pressed and kept Hungbo and Murray busy defending which meant we were trapped and pinned down for large parts of the game.
So what did we do ? well we rolled the ball out to Kerr Fox Aimson and tried to play it out from the back or kick long and lose it.
We play with 2 forwards and Saydee’s job is to get the ball, hold it up, draw players in and give the likes of Hungbo or Murray a chance to get up and support Mullin or a Midfielder.
Ball goes to Saydee
He loses it time after time
Hungbo and Murray are then too scared to go forward incase their caught out . So for me the lack of someone been able to grab the ball and hold or lay it up the top end was our issue, Saydee and Costelloe and Mullin didn’t make it stick
If that ball just keeps going up top then keeps coming back your basically fecked.
Take nothing away from Cardiff they have that bit of quality we lack. Quick players and a solid defence they’ll definitely be in the shake up for sure.
As previously pointed out about Bolton, they went through us so easy using width and we couldn’t deal with it then they go and get tonked 2-0 by an average Northampton side, that’s worrying form on our part.
Then lets look at our squad as a whole, and look at the bench, who do you bring on that could kick start us ? that spark?,
No one
Our squads lacking and Lowes ripping his grey out because there’s certain players that are clearly not trying hard enough and some that completely ignore his pre match tactics and plan.
For me with the players we’ve got we cannot play Lowes system, better players yes, current squad most definitely not.
3 at the back and 2 make shift wing backs? No no no
2 up front ?
No no no especially when the forwards are playing so poor at holding it up and bringing other players into any attack.
It has to be 4-5-1 for me, 4 defenders, period, let’s first of all get control of the defence let’s first defend, and stop conceding it has to be our priority.
4 defenders
2 wingers
3midfieldets
Mullin up top
M.Smith in more of an attacking mid roll orchestrating play
If we had 3 better centre half’s 2 natural wing backs yeah go 3 at the back but yesterday we were 5 at the back asking to attacking wingers to play left and right back, ludicrous.
It’s horses four courses and our first and formost job is to stop leaking goals stop losing.
We’ve now won 2 in 10 league & cup and conceded 10 in our last 5 winning 1. First job stop the rot. If this means 3 x 0-0’s then so be it. We need to be harder to break down and rely on the counter with wingers outside more forward.
Anyway, I’d like to be a fly on the wall when a player v coaching staff have it out Sunday and the players can hopefully get Lowe to consider changing things up system tactically because currently there not working
Lowes interview is basically throwing the gauntlet down and calling the players out. This can go one of two ways, 9am in on a Sunday? he won’t make many friends doing that.
Saydee,
His job was to get hold of the ball, shield it, pass, move. If the receiver of his ball fails it doesn’t matter Saydee’s done his part,
But
Saydee didn’t hold anything up. I’m surprised his shorts stayed up. From that first game he’s gone downhill faster than Parbold Hill in a Ferrari.
Don’t get confused, Hungbo and Murray are 100000% not wing backs wingers yes, wingbacks most definitely not.
Saying that I thought Hungbo did brilliant defensively considering the amount of pressure he was under which in turn stopped us going forward both Murray and Hungbo were too busy defending for most of the game
But at the end of the day,
We’re not good enough, we don’t have that quality were 2 years off due to 2 managers not been backed.
The straight bottom line is, the quality throughout the club is not there. We can talk discuss argue about players and starting line ups but the depth of the squad is paper thing.
Were 2-3 first team players missing and were a totally different side.
I do not think it’s a coincidence that when we lost against Luton, Salford, Bolton and Wycombe Adeeko started.
For me the lads a liability. He constantly fails to track runners and they seem to be able to breeze past him care free his tackling for large parts is poor.
He has these big lapses in concentration were opposition can easily go past him and it kills us but for some reason when he’s fit he’s in.
Central midfield is the one position we’ve plenty of cover when fit with 8 possibly 9 fighting for 3 places.
M.Smith, Trevitt, Wright, Cooper, Brenan, Weir, Francois, even Murray but for some reason Adeeko’s straight back in.
I was only praising the way Smith Wright and Trevitt dealt with Doncaster hounding, harassing then quickly winning the ball back, they had a good understanding of each others on field role covering each others backs which is key.
They protected our back 3 against Doncaster only for Lowe to break the trio up it for the Bolton game when it wasn’t broken and look what happened.
It’s a key position that midfield role and most games are won or lost there with around 50% of most games taking part in the middle of the park and wide mid.
We’ve Cardiff Saturday and if we start with a makeshift back 3 and Adeeko in front we might just struggle.
We desperately need to invest in the squad. We can’t keep having huge amount of player turn over every year basically 10 to 14 out in every summer. We need 4-5 decent quality players who can help the younger lads hence why McManaman’s here.
We need people like him who are passionate about the club that remind others we’ve a fighting underdog spirit at the club otherwise we’d end up with a bunch of wage bill players passing through till they find bigger and better things or their here to end their days.
Fingers crossed for Sat no matter who plays every player on that field for that 90 minutes will get my support regardless but the away results coupled with the last 2 games at best I can us finishing two thirds of the way down the table 10th-16th I’d say
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