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I’m sounding like a stuck record but I watched a couple of highlights of Horwich’s previous games. Duberry scored a screamer cutting in from the right the other week and Horwich fans were screaming for Gale to start more often as he had played really well when coming on.
I can only imagine Horwich’s previous opponents doubled up on the left and right because if they played 3 at the back like us they’d have had a few more 3&4-0’s.
For us to playing front foot flowing attacking football we have to have all our best players fit or ready, Kerr Carragher Saydee so adapt when their absent.
We kept going long and if Saydee had of played a few of those might have stuck.
Not only do we need our best 11 but we need 2 or 3 quality players. What we have are decent but every club needs that bit of humph that better quality to bring others on.
But the most worrying bit for me was, I had reservations about 3 at the back and highlighted it a few days before the game but Lowe wasn’t too concerned and it panned out exactly how I prayed it wouldn’t,
A tonking.
Wier does an awful lot of thankless chasing and hounding just to put pressure on his opponents but he wasn’t even on the bench which was a baffler especially with our shortage of defenders.
Luke Robinson 100% should have started and Mullin up top on his own. Robinsons a player who plays with his heart on his sleeve and at least he knows what this game meant to all us fans
We looked better in the second only because we made changes and Bolton were 4-0 hence they took off 2 of their goal scorers off with around a 3rd of the game to go, they’d no need to do anything other than contain and we looked far from threatening
It was poor, poor from the players and poor from the manager. Good managers study the opposition that’s unless your a far superior side with quality all round and we’re not, were decent but not world beaters.
Lowe should have at least tred to nullify those wide danger areas but he sacrificed them for an extra forward.
We’ve gone from a slow lethargic, 20 passes along the back Maloney to a shooting from the hip gun slinging Lowe who plays care free football.
It’s horses for courses and how you play against Doncaster isn’t necessarily how you play against a dangerous Bolton side with width and 21,000 Bolton fans baying for blood.
Anyway it’s over, done and dusted but I just can’t help feeling such a humiliating defeat could have been avoided had he have made better choices.
I just hope Lowe’s seen the error of his ways and adapts as and when needed. With Carragher and Kerr then yeah, possibly but Fox Aimson and Sessengnon looked vulnerable and fully exposed.
While players are injured, adapt
Personally I liked Mellish, he was adaptable, could play in a number of positions (which is always useful) and didn’t mind running at the opposition.
Management obviously didn’t but I’m sure he could play that sat in front of a defense far better that M.Smith who has to play more of an attacking role.
I’m not gonna repeat myself but Lowe got it wrong on two accounts
1) three at the back
2) saying it’s “Just another game”.
Rather than stoke the players up, he poured water on the fire before a flame even flickered.
I can’t think of any other manager going into a local derby grudge match coming out with a remark like that.
He still doesn’t recognise we got stiff dry rodgered especially in the first half, he’s blaming player mistakes giving soft goals away,
The majority of the mistakes I saw was of his doing, players need guidance and set your stall up, motivating, all those were missing.
Murray and Hungo cannot defend, their not wingbacks but Lowe made them play that role and it failed. It takes a very very special player to play that role on a sodden heavy pitch.
And if they don’t track back? A midfielder or left right sided defender gets dragged out wide and gaps appear.
I’d have Mullin up front, same middle 3 for me Trevitt Smith Wright change up the wingers and four at the back or even 5. Then there’s Oli Cooper, an international player bench warming. He’s so called not match fit but how do you get match fit if your not playing ?
The hardest part is who at the back. Is Weir injured ?, because he should have been on the team sheet. Even with Kerr Fox Carragher or Aimson in a back 3 we’d have still struggled against Gale & Duberry would have still been pulled out, both had a field day
Time for Raphael and Asamoah Jr both impressed. I just hope Lowe doesn’t start with the loyalty flag with Adeeko because Wright performed well against Doncaster then got thrown on the bench.
I’m sorry but Adeeko doesn’t have it mentally. Far too often he switches off and he doesn’t track runners. He simply isn’t at the level we need to push for a play off spot.
All’s I can say is, he must train like Superman because as soon as he’s fit he’s in
Lowe got out thought and out gunned. I said this before the game, risking 3 at the back and they’ve 2 excellent widemen in Gale and Duberry was a huge huge mistake
The moment Duberry or Gale ran at us Fox or Sessengnon pulled out they left a huge gap and Adeeko and others did nothing to stop their attacks.
Had Tickle not been on it it could have easily been 6. M.Smith for me is *NOT* a holding midfield player, he’s not a Tom Naylor mopping up I’m sorry he’s playing too deep and he becomes nullified in any attack.
Maloney played him in the exact same role and got slated, now Lowes doing it it’s ok ?. I know he tackles well but playing were he does loses that clever slider pass out his game. He can still tackle you know playing more forward.
Smith yesterday needed to be in the middle behind one up top and get someone to hound in the middle again with what we’ve got I’d have stuck Wright in for Adeeko, at least he gets a toe in.
He tinkered with Wright off Adeeko in and he was a liability. There was no reason (bar a knock) Adeeko should be in after his performance against Doncaster, what message does that send out ???.
We looked better in the 2nd half because we made changes and they took their forward off and sat back.
Positives?, Raphael has to start, the lads a big tricky unit who got at Bolton, Mullin played well and so did Tickle.
Asamoah has to be in the reckoning. He is bullet fast and in behind he’d be on it.
Schumacher saw a weakness down the flanks and he fully exposed it.
I like Lowe, he’s been superb but for me he was kegged and fully exposed yesterday and what’s more worrying he was told the game plan before
Lowe got it wrong it’s as simple as that, I said this in another thread about playing 3 at the back was a bad bad move.
Schumacher said in the press what he was going to do and it worked. Time after time they got down the left and right and we could do nothing.
As for the 2nd half ? Horwich didn’t need to turn up they were already 3-0 up. Alarm bells rang for me with Lowes remark “Its just another game” no it fookin isn’t !!! 24,000 for an L1 game is not another game.
Adeeko ? how the hell did he get picked over Wright or Cooper ?? he’s not good enough and time after time he lost his man, no one can convince me he’s good enough.
<p style=”text-align: left;”>Lowe should’ve gone with 4 or 5 at the back 1 up top and shored up the wings. It’s all well been brave but when you know what’s coming and you don’t prepare and counter it you’ll get done, and we did.</p>
They were using the wings, Hungbo and Murray stuck up field then Fox and Sessengnon were dragged out, Adeeko Smith Trevitt not picking up.I’m sorry but the manager needs to hold his hands up and say “Sorry chaps I got that one wrong”
Horwich games are never enjoyable to watch, I just hope we turn up. The game will be won or lost in the midfield. If we get that right like against Doncaster we’ll do well.
The key will be Lowe’s team selection. I just hope (bar knocks & bangs) he sticks with the winning formula and he doesn’t turn into the Tinkermiester.
I think there’ll be goals so I’m going for a 2-2 draw us hitting a late equaliser
I’m just looking at the betting with Bet365 were 4/1 to win but you can get 9/4 Wigan win or either 1-1 or 2-2 draw.
Wigan win both teams to score 9/1
Or
0-4 200/1 with PaddyPower
Fiver get you £1000
I agree let others worry about us but he also has to take into consideration any threat. The young lad on loan from Brighton Cozier-Duberry looks a tricky customer cutting in from the wing.
Look, I’m not moaning or having a go far far from it, what Lowes building is light years ahead of anything we’ve had in the past 3-4 years but we just have to have that bit of caution about us to nullify any threat especially from wide positions
I think Doncaster are in a false position, bar Bradford Doncaster beat mainly lower L1 clubs.
Its a breath of fresh air watching us but the key word is consistency. We need to maintain the levels shown yesterday and the opening day.
It’s definitely a brave setup playing 6 up the top end. I’m surprised by the role Matt Smiths playing that deeper midfield role. Since his comeback we’ve seen a different style of play from him with his no nonsense tackling, it reminds me of Naylor who sat infront of the defence.
Me personally I prefer 4 at the back losing either the Smith role or play one up top but that’s me. Our setup is for sure risk & reward football. Yesterday we played fast play the ball forward thinking football with our midfield hunting like a pack of Wolves giving Doncaster zero time on the ball.
It will be very interesting to see how Lowe sets up next week up at Horwich. Will he be brave and keep that formation and potentially risk those areas wide or go belt n braces and play one up top ?.
Wright Trevitt Smith were superb playing that triangle formation, it worked really well. I don’t think Cooper Adeeko or Wier should be added, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
I was highly impressed with Costelloe’s performance. He worked his socks off giving their No12 a mare of a day. He kinda reminds me of Lang before he left were he runs and runs all day, alot of unsung work but every team needs one.
So it’s fingers crossed for next week I can’t see a 0-4 but a draw would suffice
I remember a few year ago going a Latics away game on a private hire coach and the coach driver said he’d never take the rugby lot ever again.
Apparently they hired him for a rugby away (might have been Hull) and they basically trashed it. Ale food cans wrappers all over the gaff, ripped a few seats, p!ssed all over the toilet floor plus abusive when he asked them calm down and use the black bin bags on the seat armrest.
It’s amazing how two lots of supporters from the same town can be so different, but saying that, you have to have an empty head to watch that pile of sh*te.
I have zero interest in a minority sport thats on the brink of collapse. They say Latics would go to the wall without Danson well I can tell you this, the rugby have won everything and still run at a loss,
That speaks volumes about the sport
Agree but today’s footballers are of a different breed. Were not too bad in the lower leagues as it tends to be mainly UK players hence why alot of Prem managers fall foul of some of the foreign melts.
Lowe just has to remain honest as that’s what players respect regardless whether they agree just the honesty then they know were the stand when their not in the squad on a match day.
Managers walk that that fine line in a daily basis. I’ve said this for years, the best managers aren’t Amorim and his draughts board it that manager who unites a side and can keep those not playing regular football happy.
For now Lowes got it right but he’s still in his honeymoon period. Let’s see how he manages players comes the next window
I think with M.Smit it’s a case of not rushing him back so 75 minutes & 45 minutes is enough and Tuesday should be kids and fringe players time
The one thing he does that he’s a dab hand at, is making the correct subs at the correct time.
Today I was saying Saydee needed to be replaced with Mullin because been truthful he had a poor game but Lowe took off Costelloe then Saydee scores which again he got spot on. That’s why I’m in the stands and he’s on the bench.
It was a tale of 2 half’s and I thought we deserved all 3 points but it wasn’t to be. Matty Smith has come back from injury in beast mode not just on the ball but off it as well.
He changed the game and the club need to get him and his agent around the boardroom table and bash out a new contract.
Well I saw a side of Matty Smith none of us have previously seen before, tenacious tackling.
Some of those tackles were done with precision to the point were one inch difference either side it’s a yellow.
I was surprised he completed a good 75 minutes which was good to see. Hopefully he can build on that and should be on the bench at least for Stockport part 2
I think the issue with M.Smith is, he has a year left and he’s becoming quite injury prone.
Yes he does have that quality about him but it needs be shown on the pitch.
Lowe is fully aware of all this and then you have the player himself, I mean, does he want to re-sign? only M.Smith knows that.
Me I would sell him but that’s currently impossible while injured so it looks like he will be here till at least Jan.
He could get fit and be the difference between a mid table spot and us nicking a play off position,
Or
He spends this season in our the physio’s room.
Me I would sell him but that’s currently an impossible task while injured so it looks like he will be here till at least Jan.
I didn’t go yesterday, but watched it at home. I’m not quite sure just yet, I can’t figure us out.
It’s a work in progress for sure. But again, Lowe showed hes not scared to make changes.within minutes Mullin misses a 1 on 1 then scores.
I don’t think it was a bad result it could have easily gone either way.
It will be interesting how we line up Tuesday and same goes for Stockport with back to back games ahead of us.
I said it before,
Were a season behind were I thought we’d be. I honestly thought we’d be up their challenging this season.
I think this will be Lowes rebuilding season then next season should be a push for promotion well all bar 3 big boys don’t drop into L1
