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I don’t think Saydee’s fully fit. He’s there on the bench purely out of desperation by Caldwell hence why he’s a bit part player right now.
I’m still not sure why Cze doesn’t start, I don’t give a flying fook what people say, I’d have him on anyday over Hogan, Costelloe or Perkins.
I saw Hogan go through one on one, miss, Costelloe miss from 2inch out and Barrett from 6 yards out not even hit the target.
At least when Cze came he put pressure on Leicester up the pitch unlike that Hogan who is one lazy coont.
He’ll stand there in the circle and basically watch and let teams waltz past. If I was Caldwell I’d be shouting my sack off telling him pressure.
I’m beginning to think Saydee is 100% not a hold up forward. His goals have come from been active from around the box.
Last night when he came on he was back at it the same as last season, long ball, backing into defenders, arse on floor, like I said, that’s not his game so Caldwell needs to stop thinking he can hold it up he clearly can’t.
This isn’t Caldwells fault, the fault lies with Danson. Had we have used the Tickle and Bettoni money to buy Taylor the Hogan, Costelloe and Barrett miss would have been a hattrick for him.
I can’t see which one he’d have missed
Hogan’s miss:
Taylor would have dinked the keeper, he was a master at that
Costelloe’s miss:
He would have timed his run to perfection and tapped it home
Barrett’s miss:
He would have hit it hard & low bottom corner
And that’s the difference,
Don’t invest and improve your fooked
This has been my gripe for a while. I have nothing against women’s football but on the same token I have zero interest as well.
As far as I’m aware, Wigan Athletic women’s team comes under the banner of Wigan Athletic AFC so in theory yes Wigan Athletic AFC funds both.
The women’s team has its own principal sponsor, Calisen, and a sleeve sponsor, Plug Me In, under a three-year sponsorship agreement announced in August 2024.
But I’m sure their sponsorship money won’t be enough to cover their training ground running cost and everything that comes with running their side
Someone has to pay for it and whichever way you look at it it’s madness.
To think 12 months after he took over just as we were heading to another administration and the big earners were off the wage bill rather than think, right let’s get a plan he decides to spend millions on forming a women’s side
I’ll drag my car analogy again into it
Buy a f**ked car, spend zero on it, run it then by a brand new car a year later but keep driving the old shagged car and watch it slowly crumble
I’m still chuckling at the sleeve sponsor for the women’s side
Plug Me In
Hang on a sec
Have to agree there m8,
I was thinking it’s my age and I’m slowly weaning off but the FA Cup win at Preston, the amount of fans, the goal then watching a video posted up showing the away end from behind the opposite net
I thought
It’s still there, the passion the love of football, it isn’t me it’s the handling of “our” club.
What kills me is, Danson talks like fans are screaming for him to go cheque book mad it’s the opposite.
If anyone understands the consequences of mass overspend it’s us fans. We’ve seen it with Whelan, the Hong Kong lot and the Arabs.
My gripe is,
We’ve sold players up to the tune of £12million and re-invested £700,000 in player purchases. We had Tickle money and even Bettoni money and the opportunity to buy a proven no gamble forward that saved us in Taylor but intead Danson chose to run the club with the money.
Again, I’m not asking for all £12million spent on player, I get it, but, you have to re-invest some of it say 25%-50% of it back into building a better squad.
Put it this way, I wouldn’t buy a knackered run down car cheap, spent £00:00 on it then expect it to last me 3 years but this is exactly what Danson has done.
He bought us eyes wide open, he’s not stupid enough to have had to incomings and outgoings studied by his shrewd team of accountants before purchasing the club so wtf did he expect ??.
Like the car, would you put 100k of miles on it no tyres no oil change and fingers crossed it last??.
Danson knew, Danson knew we were on our arse when he bought us and he was fully aware this wasn’t something been “self sufficient” could repair.
Again, referring to a car, you assess, you weigh it up what it needs, and if it’s too much then walk away
That’s unless, the big unless
There’s valuable parts on it that can be stripped for another project
THE STADIUM
and that’s why we’re on the pitch, bottom of the league and in the shit.
Oh yeah it’s great doing all this community work, this charity work help the homeless all that, hats off, fantastic work but while all this off the field good work takes place we have had 3 years of little or no on field investment and this cars ready to breakdown.
You see this is my argument, Dansons view is,
Bring young some lads through, sell on, use the money to run the club, jobs a good un, I don’t need to spend a penny but he’s forgetting that, if part of this money isn’t reinvested into the squad with a few better quality pro’s the quality of the young lads will drop.
Let’s face it, Dansons stripped us, got what he wanted and now we’re surplus to requirements while his beloved rugby get propped up with no question asked money.
Another question
Who fiantually picks up the women’s football team tab?
Wigan Athletic
Or
Danson??
And the above are not the same
One has fook all
One is a multi billionaire
If the clubs players sold money is used just to pay the leccy and wages just like car, pay for the petrol and nothing else then we’ll eventually run out of petrol and we’ll be left to rot on the hard shoulder
Danson might be clever, clever in business, made billions, but like a 1000 rich club owners before him,
He hasn’t a footballing brain,
Dave Whelan did, he backed every manager he had and that the difference.
Through our pomp years between 2001-2013 Whelan had 4 managers but his success was because he backed them all
Agree today wasn’t as bad as I thought it might end up but the problem is, i went into today’s game thinking I hope they don’t tonk us rather than we could nick it if we play to our best. Our best is a country mile of the top half clubs.
So far we’ve performed really well against some of the better sides or more fancied sides I should say. We’ve played 5 of the current top 8 in our first 11 matches
Sheff Weds (should have won)
Reading
Huddersfield
Even Cambridge are proving to be a better side than wed imagine. Ok we got tonked with Stockport but on the whole were trying but it’s not there, we’re not good enough to step it up .
I never feel comfortable or think we’re too good for them. Again I think if we had 1 or 2 better players we could bridge that gap but we have a belt & braces owner.
Mellish put a ball across today literally pin point straight across the 6 yard box and no one in the team is good enough to read it and gamble.
And that’s the difference, it’s all about levels and our squad is not a L1 squad far far from it.
How can an owner not back his managers rather than sit back and watch them suffer.
I think the only way we can stay in this division is, if Moseley or Simms hit a bag full on loan and we bring them back in Jan.
If we don’t find someone in Jan we’re down
Yes he did save us from death, but in a sick kind of a way because now he’s slowly torturing the club and fans.
Danson wanted the stadium, he was shit scared someone would step in and he’d be a landlord again.
If he could have somehow bought just the stadium (second time round) he’d have dumped us like shit off a shovel.
Listen chaps, do not be scared if he gives us away or puts us in administration he has zero interest.
This is the worst worthless squad I can remember. Probably Chilokoa-Mullen looks like he might go on and be worth a few bob but how many have relegation/wage clauses ??.
At least the Hong Kong lot and Arabs f**ked up spending.
We’re now 4 points adrift and 1 or 2 losses and the other scrape a win we could be 8-10 points adrift in a matter of a month.
I’m going Boreham Wood but if we don’t win I’m done with the away.
Danson could easily pull £4-£5milluon out his spare change jar and turbo us, give us a boost but he prefers to watch us drown while probably sniggering like Muttley as we slip back to were we started.
Bar been in Administration I cannot see how it could get any worse
It’s all about levels and if you can move to the next level and repeat it.
you can look outstanding in say L1 or Championship but the moment you go up a peg you can easily be found out and in his case he’s been found out.
Also, how many times do you see players head & shoulders above his teammates, move on then fail ?. Sometimes they can be the best player in the team but the moment they move their not.
Aasguard’s a good player there’s no getting away from that and was brilliant for us.
I think the jump to Rangers and Rangers demands it was a step to far to quick pushed on him by Lutons fast demise.
Not many Latics fans complained when he left simply because it was good money for a lad (like Tickle & Hughes) we paid nothing for and that’s my gripe with this club of ours.
Our young lads need playing, along side decent pros the likes of Power and Fox and Macca in the background. Bring them through, sell, keep us afloat not some billionaire owner who can’t find investment.
Like Stevie Wonder saying I can’t find my piano
A few things but the main one I noticed from Saturdays performance was
Giving the ball away
I simply lost count how many times we gave it away. All’s Oxford had to do was press, not win it just simply press because the moment a yellow shirt appeared in front of a Latics player they panicked like they were about to be mugged and just gave it them.
The first 15 minutes reminded me of when we beat City in the Cup at home, pinned down and unable to break out.
Now my second big gripe as to why
Scott (I don’t run no more sorry) Hogan. Rule 1 you defend from the front. You don’t expect him to run around like a headless chicken for 90 but every now and then would be handy.
I’m not sure what we’re paying him but it’s clear from he’s performances he’s acts like it’s not enough. And before anyone pipes up “Well we don’t play to his strengths, get the ball to him in the box” bollocks bollocks bollocks. There’s not a forward in all 4 leagues wouldn’t get a bag full doing that and nothing else, Christ his goal Sat was a miss hit
He literally stands with his hands in his pockets like a statue watching the opposition walk past him. He did this all game Saturday and he did it again.
Pressing gives the opposition less time to think and miss hit and mistakes appear. This is why we defended the edge of our box for most of the night.
His sell by date is overdue by about 5 years and I won’t be shocked if this is his last season cause I would pal.
He is a disaster it’s like playing with 9 men with him
I agree what you say about Murray but if he was going past defenders out wide every time he got it he’d be in the Championship or Prem.
What gets me with him and the team, simple one twos, pass move link play. Get it, release it, move, try pick it back up.
As much as it was his fault for not taking his man on it was also our lack of ability to pass to each other, move, receive it back, the lack of was borderlining on the ridiculous. I’m not joking when I say I could walk onto any decent Ami Sunday game and see better passing and link up play than that.
Saydee comes on and scores a worldy , fantastic but for me he’s an impact player nothing more. The moment you give him 90 he fizzles out and spends the times leaning into players then to ground
But overalll for me it’s worrying. When you can go from the the excellent link up play like Saturday to that in 3 days
Wow, breathtakingly bad, at times I had to rub my eyes
I’m not sure wtf were doing in between but mentally we looked burnt out unable to concentrate on the basics.
Overworking players mentally (too too much information) can actually be worse than physical exersersion.
For me whatever Caldwells doing at Christopher Park with these lot is wrong.
Sometimes less is better. I watched him Sat and again when the cameras are on and he’s constantly pointing and telling players were to go what to do micro managing the game to the point their mentally tired listening.
Remember Rosler ? same script, fog horn leg horn constantly screaming to the point were players don’t listen and that’s were Caldwells heading.
From 2001 – 2013 we had 4 managers
From 2013 to the present day we’ve had 12
And that’s were the problem lies. I said it all along Caldwell wasn’t the right man for the job. For me I’d have gone for Leighton Baines but when you’ve an owner like Desperate Dan?, that’s never gonna happen.
I’ve been reading a few articles and tbh football in the lower leagues is financially on its arse.
There’s a few in the Championship suffering to the point were if they don’t go up or stay in the Championship they could fold.
The difference is around £10-£12 million but your wage bill doubles so you end up worse off by going up from L1 to the Championship.
There’s lots of owners out there who are now saying they’d prefer “not” to go up because the financial implications could send them to the wall
The problem were suffering from is the same one at Rotherham and it doesn’t take long before it goes pear shaped.
Let’s see how many changes Caldwell makes Tuesday away at Oxford, he can’t help himself
It was a simple case of brain over braun
We went with the let’s get the ball down and play football while Richardson adopted the rough em up approach long balls and shirt tugging being his choice of style.
The big difference for me was the energy in the midfield when going forward.
I’m sorry to say but no Max Power made a huge difference. Less sideway and backwards balls and simple faster decision making and faster playing of the ball
We were good too good for Reading. I’m not impressed with Hogan. I thought for the majority of the game he was awful. Yes he scored all be it a tab lucky but if he plays like that every week we will struggle
As I previously mentioned, I was sat open mouthed watching Caldwell sub Burrowes, probably our best attacking outlet then Perkins instead of Saydee.
I said it when Caldwell arrived, the combination of him and Danson will be the death of us.
Bad tactics, stupid subs combined with a multi Billionaire who can’t find an investor means,
Non League Football
It’s been an awful long time since I saw a side as bad as this
but never seen one as bad
Well this is something and I don’t know why never changes as Wigan, the fear to put young lads in
In the past theres been good reasons as to why young lads struggle to get a chance, say the first team players were older better, more experienced or we might have been in a better league position.
But now ?
We have an owner who buys a club on its knees then excepts it to do well with no money given then says he’s struggling to find outside investment, a billionaire looking for investment for a club he’s just bought
Give me fffing strength honestly
Apparently he used the £600,000 we made to pay off Ryan Lowe.
Now I’ve heard a Keane has gone to Doncaster and the reason why he never came back is,
We couldn’t afford him,
I’m sick of watching our club getting strangled and dry bummed by some filthy rich billionaire who’s sole mission was to get the ground then spit us out to die.
Now we have a manager who’s choosing players who wouldn’t make Garswood starting 11 while our own young hungry lads are left starved of the opportunity.
I said it at the beginning, Caldwell is a piss poor average manager and he players choices and subs highlight this.
I can’t think of a worse squad than this and I’m going way back. In the past we’ve always had one or two good pros or superb young lads who’s been given a chance
Right now between a shit tight dusted owner, a shit manager and the shortest squad in our history this combo will send us straight to non league faster than sh*t off a shovel.
We’re on that slide and this owner does not care. He’ll happily sit back and watch it happen or is he hanging around for Robinson summer coming in before he f**ks off.
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”,
I was speaking with a friend who said he’d have Perkins all day long over Costelloe.
I’m not sure what game he’s watching but he must be wearing the same rose tint glasses Caldwells wearing.
Sony Perkins is simply not good enough. He’s levels below what we need.
We’re playing as bad as last season but the difference is, in the second half of last season we had a guy who would put half chances away
I am lost as to why Moseley was sent out on loan. If you wanna find out if he can swim, throw him in at the deep end.
But the problem stems right from the top
I’m not quite sure Maloney didn’t warn Caldwell because he’s getting the exact same treatment
NO FUNDS AVAILABLE
Since Danson took over
Incoming £12 million
Outgoing £600k-£700k
Self sufficient??
More like
Self Suffication
That’s why a forwards so important. It’s about decision making and hitting the target.
Weir on 2 possibly 3 occasions came in from our right into the box and decided to cross about 6-8 yard out in clear line of the keeper both led to nothing.
A forward would have rattled at least one at the keeper and that’s the difference
Costelloe would be worth £5million if he could score. His work rate on and off the ball is unbelievable but when he pulls the trigger ?.
I still think Cze could cause plenty problems. Against Stockport he laid one and the only shot on target.
I’ve reservations about Hogan, something doesn’t sit right with me on this signing.
That second season at MK Dons he spent most of it battling injuries and rarely started 21 appearances mainly as a sub.
MK Dons let him go which again is strange. They must know something. Then he trains with us, plays a bit part in pre-season and we wait till two weeks “after” the window closes to sign him.
For me there’s clearly a long term injury issue possibly old ankle problem flairing up ?. I don’t know but at 34 you have to question why we left it till weeks after whether we had other targets and they fell through.
Time will tell
I also made the trip,
First half 50/50 but for large parts of the 2nd half we dominated the game.
Wier had 2 glorious chances were he came in from the right and decided to pass on both.
The Walsh effort was harder to miss than score. I thought we played really well but Sheff Weds stunk he place out and I’ll be surprised if they go up, that’s unless they do a Birmingham or Wrexham in the January window.
Bannan ?, I heard on Sheffield Weds fan say after leaving the ground “He should have never come back, his sell by date has expired”
And he was right,
For a guy reputably on £20-£25k a week he offered nothing bar a 5 yard safety pass. Yes his stats will be high but meaningless stats when you don’t influence the game.
But at the end of the day we had chance after chance and couldn’t put them away and that will be our downfall that’s unless we convert them.
Hogan?,
I’m just having my doubts I’ll explain.
So he’s been training plus played as a trialist for the best part of 6-8 weeks. Then 2 weeks ago he window closes but we don’t sign him till now,
Why?
What put doubt in Caldwells head and the club? money ? fitness? injuries? I’m sure something factored into not signing him earlier especially with the lack of forwards.
But yesterday we proved we can on the day but I’ll not forget how Stockport’s experience blew us away.
Sheff Weds aren’t a good side so although we looked good on the day inconsistency and the lack of a goal scorer is our current nemesis
It wasn’t me who brought up the words self Sustainability. I think we all know what he wanted when he bought us
The stadium.
Let’s not forget him and Lennagan tried to buy the stadium when we were in administration and if Begbies hadn’t have dragged their heels he’d have bought it and dumped us down the shitter.
Reluctant buyer?, he probably was but there was method in his madness.
We were basically looking down the barrel part 2. I’m sure there would have been a few potential buyers for the stadium but I don’t think Danson was prepared to risk that and watch the stadium slip through his fingers for a second time which I’m sure it would have happened.
A multi billionaire paying rent for the rugby ?.
The only safe way for Danson to achieve his goal of taking ownership of the ground was to take us on as well.
To be Self Sustainable you also have to reinvest part of any transfer money and bring in 1 or 2 older experience bit of quality. This in turn aids the development of the younger lads.
Not Dansons money, player incoming money.
But for this to work
1) you have to reinvest say 25% of all transfer earnings
2) take a chance on our young lads
Yes we are still here, we are still in survival mode but don’t ever think he did it to save Wigan Athletic not a fookin chance, his goal was to take ownership of the stadium and now he has it that’s it WAFC fook off you’d think
Till he said he would be actively looking for a buyer but he’d like to keep 25% shares in us.
Basically, I’ll let someone invest, then if we did well draw on it
