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It’s not a case of “it would leave us wide open at the back” my argument is, not one of Tuchels subs were like for like positional wise.
It was as though like for like players “cannot defend”
We just needed fresh legs not defenders for offensive players. At this level a player should be able to defend and attack.
We simply needed fresh legs up front possibly wide and one midfielder. Yes defend but then hit them on the break.
Kane can’t run on a good day he was out on his feet so there was no outlet and Scaloni rubbed his and flooded it.
It kills me that Tuchel didn’t bring on players worth £50-£80-£100+million to play a duel roll
Defend 1st
Fresh legs counter attack 2nd
Dumfounded lost for words
Again we had a golden passage playing poor and average sides and still never actually looked good.
I didn’t see Spain stick 10 men behind the ball, they knew France would have to push and that’s exactly how it panned out.
For me, Kane had a poor game against Mexico and Norway and again against Argentina.
Gordon would have stayed on and I would have swapped Kane for Watkins. This would have put their defense on red alert and we could have capitalised with anything over the top.
Tuchel got away with defending the game out against Mexico and thought he’d get away with it again but the one thing he didn’t consider was the quality of the opposition.
The best form of defense is attack, we played straight into the hands of the Argies and without Pickford and the post they could have hammered us.
Another thing, we took injured players and that didn’t help. Livramento missed last 6 weeks of Prem season and James should have never gone. Even Rice was carrying a calf/neurological issue were he struggles to get through a full 90 and Stones had only played 8 games.
We basically had no flair, no skill factor, no game changer nothing only Bellingham. Tuchel picked his squad on personality & attitude rather than skill and performances.
Get him sacked, to have 12% for 45 minutes was an absolute joke as poor as it gets.
But Tuchel for me has to go, those players will no longer trust him
I think the club should have had at least one decent/unusual away day friendly, personally I don’t do them but to those who do good luck with that lot.
Looking at the players gone and those coming in were back on the never-ending carousel of:
survival-rebuild-survial-rebuild.
I still don’t get why we didn’t think ahead and buy Taylor. Yes he is expensive but it’s not like your buying the unknown. He gives us the one thing every club screams for
That rare commodity
A goal scorer
The wage bill overall took another drop and there’s money from Tickle and Bettoni (anything from £1million upwards)
There’s rumours we might be entitled to a sell on from Joseph but no one’s confirmed it.
If Taylor did what he did early this year come the summer 2027 we could potentially double or even triple our investment.
I know one thing, if big Dave was in charge he’d had the foresight to buy him that’s for sure.
Personally I think Caldwell’s got his his full and tied behind his back. I bet he thought he’d would be in a better position than Exeter fianatually only to find out, we’re not that much different than them.
Only time will tell but this constant knock it down rebuild scenario means one thing from our owner:
No ambition what so ever
There’s about 7 weeks to go before the window closes so most lower clubs will be looking at teams in the leagues above and who’s surplus to requirements and ready to be sent out on loan or told they might not be in their managers plans so start looking elsewhere.
I’m glad to see Cze’s been given a one year deal. My worry is, he won’t be used and thrown out on loan which would be absolutely abysmal.
I don’t care what anyone says, there’s definitely a player in there far better than Bettoni but for whatever reason he’s just not put it together.
I’m hoping maturity and Caldwell giving him a chance we might just have someone who can put the ball in the net when needed.
If we’re to rely on Costelloe & Saydee we will struggle. The lads the right age to think, f**k it here we go and puts his head down
If Robinson does move how much so you think Caldwell will see of it?
Self Sufficient Self Sufficient Self Sufficient
I’ll always say Talal brought the X factor back to the club it was just a crying shame they were clueless with the books & finances and were fiantual led a merry dance by that prick Brannigan who ruined us.
Off the field there was a buzz, a feel good factor, he would come to the supporters bar uninvited and meet fans, happy days both on and off the field.
It’s how a club should feel, hope, promise, a connection with those above win lose draw who cared and the odd giant killing thrown in. Had they had not been ill advised by Brannigan who knows what we could achieved.
Even his light hearted remarks on Twitter and Instagram was refreshing it made the club feel jointed top to bottom.
Yes they got it wrong oh so wrong in the books department. It wasn’t stupidity it was naivety on how to run a football club and poor financial advise.
Anyway we are were we are, a comatosed club living in a suspended state with an owner clearing us out so he can sell what’s left to the highest bidder.
If you asked me what my dream scenario would be it would be some huge investor take us on, build a new 15,000 seater stadium dual purpose with summer music concerts and tell Danson were the F to go.
As I said dream scenario but for now ……..?
In 2020/2021 both Danson and his then bumchum Lenegan tried to buy the stadium and Christopher Park while we were in administration but failed due to the fact that the administrator thought this would devalue the club and make it far harder to sell us so the pair pulled out.
A few years later the opportunity arose again and the rest is history. One of Danson’s main priority’s was to remove the stadium from the clubs ownership so any future sale would not include the stadium.
And why?, because he couldn’t face being a tenant to a new landlord. Can you imagine if a new owner stepped in and bought us?, Danson and his beloved rugby would again be tenants.
A multi billionaire a tenant? Unheard of !! paying rent? Omg no !!! The sheer thought must have made his skin crawl not being in full control so that’s were we are a club with no assets.
Then the recent rumour that, if he sells the club he prefers to remain as a shareholder holding 20%-25%.
Again why?
So “if” the new owner just so happened to strike it lucky and we were had success he’d basically still have his finger in the pie all off the back of someone else’s hard work and investment.
So now there’s talk of a few potential investors but the sticky point is, a couple of potential buyers want to buy Latics and the ground (that 100% won’t happen) and another so called wants the football, the rugby and the stadium (again that definitely will not be happening).
Danson wants his cake and eat it that’s now loud and clear.
You’d think he bought the club to save us, most definitely not, he wasn’t arsed about us not one bit arsed, he wasn’t in 2020 and he wasn’t in 2023.
He sole purpose in buying us was to get his hands on the stadium, nothing else.
When the stadium naming rights was up he gave it to his close to heart charity, fine, but there was a potential sponsorship earner at a time when we desperately needed money coming in.
What he’s done at the club is to stop all investment, sell players and use that money to run the club with little on field investment.
Ask Maloney, or ask even Lowe they both found out soon enough the truth regarding budgets and next to go under the bus will be Caldwell.
Danson’s slogan when he took over was
“Self sufficient” and that’s fine but if you sell a player say a Lang Aasguard Hughes Tickle some or if not all needs to be put back into the squad not to be used on paying the bog cleaners, stewards or the electric bill.
Danson is no better than the Hong Kong crew or Talal’s frithful outfit. We hear nothing from a faceless boardroom, money from player sales being spent on running the club
Long gone are the days of BELIEVE it’s more like DISBELIEF. Never did I think that we’d be a club treading quicksand when he took over and the lifeline rope he threw is slowly slipping away.
I was slated some while back for having a pop at the women’s football side being formed. I had nothing against it expect for its timing.
Money was being poured into it at a time when we desperately needed money investing into the squad. Lots of clubs don’t have a women’s sides simply because of the drain it has on a clubs fiance’s but Danson was happy to pump millions into it while the quality of our squad sunk to an all-time low
So we’re do we go from here?
We need a new owner that’s for sure because this guy doesn’t want us. He prefers to lose around £5-£6million a year throwing money at a fringe sport
Why will we struggle to be sold?
Because Danson has basically stripped us to the bone. He’s sold the last of the big ticket items in Tickle for an undisclosed fee basically so he doesn’t have to tell the fans how much “It’s my ball” & all that as though it’s none of our business.
Let’s not forget, had we not have struck lucky with Wright and Taylor and Taylor’s goals we’d be starting this season coming in L2 that’s a fact.
Wright wanted to sign but the club could only offer him a 3rd of what he was on at Plymouth.
When Danson took over I honestly thought that he would come in, stabilise us, strip it back, invest, and watch us grow and start challenging for promotion.
What I’ve seen is stabilise, strip it back, then strip back abit more, then some more, then squeeze it, then remove the stadium.
At more than one game we had one turnstile open for the West Stand and queues around the ground with less than 2000 on and away fans thrown in with home fans so he could save a few bob, that for me was an all time low.
Let’s take the Utd Cup game, ticket and TV money, and the Arsenal the game
Were the fcuk did that all that money go ??
It’s a club going nowhere with an owner who doesn’t give a flying fcuk about us. No wonder fans are walking away in their droves.
We have a manager who will struggle mark my words. He needs the backing of an owner. Danson’s seen how Caldwell has previously operated on pennies and that suits him fine.
Finally, who else looked at this season’s fixtures and weren’t arsed?,
As a loyal fan the past 6 years has taken its toll on me and alot fans enthusiasm with 1000’s walking away. Danson had the chance to make it grow and chose not to.
This season will be painful, it will be 20 times harder than last year and I can’t only see one thing
Relegation dog fight, will I be there ? I will be hand picking my games till he sells. I can’t abide a guy so rich (it’s actually scary how rich he is) invest nothing that it kinda makes me think is he enjoying watching us suffer??.
Ambition is nil, it’s all about survival on scraps.
We released 8 players,
6 loans went back,
And none of the 9 players offered extensions have signed yet speaks volumes.
Only McManaman is likely to sign a 12 month deal
I then hear Sheff Weds are in for Taylor and Wright wanted to sign be we could only offer him a 1/3 of what he was on at Plymouth shows you our ambition.
Back into training today I bet we struggled make up a five-a-side knock around.
Honestly, it’s pathetic potentially 23 players down on last season for pre season training is probably the worse start I’ve ever seen
We need a new owner because he’s basically financially strangulating the club to a slow death.
Pay peanuts you know what you get. Caldwell must be thinking, I got more backing at Exeter. I bet he never thought there’d be virtually nothing to spend.
Please sell us Danson please
I’m sure we could have found a better away or decent home even if it was just one game.
I can’t thank Danson enough for stepping in at the 11th hour but then I think,
He truly doesn’t give a flying fook about us, like in 20/21 when him and Lenegan tried to buy the ground and Christopher Park while we were in admin nothings changed.
He prefers pumping his millions into a fringe sport that’s dead in the water.
The sooner he fooks off the better because stabilising the club has come at a very heavy price.
Let’s just not forget that, had we not dropped on Taylor and his goals we’d be in the 4th teir bare that in mind when you talk about stabilising
Do us a favour Danson, shut the door behind you because with you at the helm we’re heading straight for a fook off iceberg.
He’s got what he wants
I was a big fan of Matt Smith but tbh I think it’s time he moved on. Kinda reminds me of the Theo Walcott scenario.
He was 28 and they were still saying young Theo Walcott and wondering when his career was going to take off.
Every week you’d think if if if but if never came and it’s not like he weren’t given a chance.
I don’t mind Power well bar the finger pointing and hopefully the lad from Walsall can turn out to be a decent acquisition.
But the main issue is defence and keeper. We need defenders yesterday and a keeper now Tickles on his way out.
Bit of a rumour going about regarding Sam Nombe who I think would be a good addition that’s if it came off.
But the one we want in is Wright his energy is something else. We’d all like Taylor to come in but knowing the way Danson operates with the debit card there’s more chance of us getting Mbappe.
I keep banging on about it but without financial help from Danson Caldwell will have his hands tied chained then put in a straight jacket.
No one’s saying 10s of millions just give him Tickles money cause the last 2 managers saw jack sh*t from the sale of Lang Hughes & Aasguard
So it’s no hidden secret, Tickles off this summer. Whether it’s to Bristol City or elsewhere he’s off for a reported £2-£3million.
So what happens to that money ?. Isn’t this Danson’s master plan
“SELF SUFFICIENT”?
Were you bring young lads through, give them game time then hopefully sell on for good money and clauses ?.
Caldwell should be given every penny of that. For me some towards Callum Wright’s wages or push the boat out and get Taylor.
I can only see one thing happening, that money will get pumped back into the running of the club like the money we got for Lang, Hughes and Aasguard.
If we don’t invest in sorry but it’s another dog fight. Do not be blinded by last season’s ending remember the first half as well.
News out the budget will be even smaller this season and it will be loans, free’s & kids on National League wages.
Looks like same old same next season without Taylor and the goals.
As for Wright signing? there’s more chance of us signing Elliott Anderson
They Scottish FA and TV got what they wanted
The handball in the Motherwell game was never a handball in the memory of man.
It wasn’t conclusive enough to give a handball. You can’t give a pen after VAR thinking “It might have touched his hand so pen”.
I keep saying it, it’s bent, rotten to the core. When a season comes down to a decision like that it’s corruption.
Not only that, there was a minute left on the clock and they ended the game. Ok Hearts weren’t going to score two but again rules have to apply.
I wouldn’t be shocked if something controversial happens with Chelsea v Spurs midweek so Spurs stay up.
A club who voted for the big six European League again corruption as the Prem #NEED# the stadium in the Prem
I think Danson wants to retain part ownership with around 20%-25%. I’m not quite sure whether it’s to safeguard or to keep a cheap finger in the pie just incase we were ever successful again
or
He can claim some of the sell-on clause dosh still lingering. The harsh reality is, only a handful of clubs ever become financially stable and successful while some fight to balance the books and the rest fight to survive.
Football club owners in the lower tend to have links or ties to a club and they’re fully aware they won’t come out of it richer.
I’d be very much interested to see what Danson would charge any potential new owners rent.
So right now we’re surviving whether it’s a good or bad thing I’m not sure. On the one hand were not playing Daisy Hill but on the other last season (bar last few) it was torture
If were to grow and be attractive to the kids of today we have to be either:
Be successful which is easier said than done or with incentives. We’ve alot of empty seats and room to grow but for me without on field investment (wages) we will struggle.
The better players want more per week and if we can’t offer the like of Bettoni enough we will struggle.
And it’s all good and well having a superb youth but if they follow Bettoni then what’s the point?. I can see Chapman following in Bettoni’s shoes
<p style=”text-align: left;”>Tbh I think he has a lot of potential and could do well at a Preston or a Hull but how long will he have to wait for his chance ?.</p>
Geldhart is 24 and still getting clod out on loan and Bettoni might end up in the same boat.A half decent club will:
Sign Bettoni then it’s a case of, loan after loan and if he finds his feet and does a Joe Taylor bags a few he could go for a few million who knows.
Now you might be thinking,
“Well why can’t he do that at Wigan?”
One word
Wages
His agent is obviously sure he can get more elsewhere and I’m also so he knows were so why stay ?. It’s all about money and minutes. The more minutes, more experience, hopefully more goals.
My argument is, I bet Bettoni would have signed a contract with us say a 2-2.5 year deal but I’m guessing we offered him peanuts.
It’s all good and well driving down the running cost of the club but to drive them over a cliff is another thing.
Without Taylor and Wright in convinced we would have gone down. We landed very lucky on the loan front with them two and funds prevents us from making a move on either player.
“Pay peanuts you get monkeys” as the saying goes and Danson has a few 50kg sacks of salted and roasted to use.
But for me Wright has to be signed asap money has to be made available for him. Danson needs to sit down and realise how important he is to the team.
My biggest fear is, those who are negotiating will get the same offer as Bettoni, a kilo of roasted.
If the wages budget is the same as last year I’m afraid next year will be a mid to lower finish and unless we have a new owner this will be the case for the foreseeable future.
My problem with that is, it won’t attract fans back to The stadium, attendances will drop and we’ll hover around in L1 till I’m 6 feet under, something I don’t think I can stomach.
As a Latics fan from the early 80’s I’ve seen it all like alot on here, the huge highs, the massive lows and we e always pulled through.
We’ve either been brilliant riding high in the Prem or fighting of relegation. and survival.
But every season it’s usually one or the other. What I can’t stand is mediocracy. Languishing mid table doing nothing bar surviving.
I just hope someone buys us and doesn’t go crazy but puts a bit in so we *can* sign the Weights and Taylors and keep the Bettoni’s
