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Thanks yeah now I’m thinking back it was more than likely 1999
I remember going to the City away totally cheated out that one and there still doing it
I agree, I don’t think the players have bought in because they don’t know what their buying.
There was a remark that players are playing for their contracts. Some are loanees on wages we can’t afford and we’ve 4-5 players who’s contracts are up who’ll have to take a massive pay cut I’d say 50%+ if they want to remain at the club.
I’m not sure if I’d be playing pulling my plumbs out to be rewarded with heavily reduced wages.Me personally, I don’t think he’s ruthless or brave enough to be a manager. There’s tough decisions to be made when you’ve so many players and only 11 can start so his answer is very similar to a kids u11’s manager,
They must all get a game keep to them happy or they’ll leave.This is why we rotate so much and 5 subs per game trying to please everyone and keep the players happy’ish.
The tactic of sit deep and pass it round till they come and get it has failed bigtime for Maloney. Teams just sit deep and say No thanks, keep it were over here
Well we’re mostly of the same agreement, he’s got his personal beliefs on how the game should be played but what he’s massively failed to notice is
Were in League One not the Prem
I’m begining to think the same that, certain players are starting to scratch their heads with his lack of style and identity as a manager.
I just don’t get it, this crawling to the half way line 7-8 passes left n right, middle sat in with defence goating the opposition to come and get it and if they don’t?, Hail Mary it into the corner and hope someone can’t first time take a 40yard punt out the sky with one touch.
Then theres Mondays post match remark he came out with about the pitch. The above tactics I mentioned doesn’t require a slick well watered pitch. The dry pitch it didn’t stop Cambridge hitting long and high.
I keep saying it, we all want him to do well and sometimes you think “It’s clicking” only for it to revert back to normal play when play a struggling side.
Even when we’ve beat the better sides we’ve hardly looked convincing so when we play teams in the lower half with their direct style football they undo us like a can of beans and we don’t lose by the odd goal it’s normally by about 3 or 4.
For me the biggest red flag and worrying sign is the subs 5 per game (half your outfield side) its very worrying. It upsets the balance of the side and simply confuses and frustrates players and totally changes the style you set out in the first half which is exactly what happened again against Cambridge.
He took S.Smith off saying he wanted more attacking players on the pitch.
Looks like Maloney forgot that Smith scored the winner against Blackpool from the same position by getting in the box when he’s started playing his best football for Latics so what message does that send out to the lad taking him off against Cambridge?.I’m lost, on the one hand I keep thinking, once he has his own players and had 1 or 2 transfer windows we’ll see a different Wigan but then I start to think, like the players Maloney will have to totally change which I’m not sure he can.
I’m in no doubt that he’s here for the duration. I don’t think Danson will get rid so he better get it right or my prediction of a 25-26 season push for promotion will be nothing more than a pipe dream especially looking at the possible clubs looking at the drop from the Championship.
Stevenage have won 3 in 14 since they beat us. At some point he has to be angry whether against Burton or today or Fleetwood.
When I say angry I mean show true disappointment, he doesn’t need to point fingers just show displeasure for those fans as well who made the long journey (no mention) but that post match interview praised the players and blamed the pitch.And there lies the problem, if he can’t see the woods for the trees and is scared as a boss to show how displeased he is and instead find positives from been done 3-1 against a poor poor struggling side then you have major major problems at managerial level.
His tactics don’t work and like Martinez he will not change.
If Danson is happy with that then he will have to roll out his chequebook and let him prove his worth
Don’t listen to his interview if your still angry about today:-
“Magennis played really well, he gave a captain’s performance”
I don’t think we played bad today I feel in the key moments we just came up short”
“I took Scott Smith off as I needed more attacking players on the pitch (6 in the end)”
“I was more disappointed with how we played against Burton”
We got a point
But the worse,
“We had to take the ball into their half on a very hard pitch”
That, in the first half is the exact polar opposite what we were trying to achieve. Only in the second half did players pass it in the middle and “pass” wide not hoof it to Chambers
If your manager sees it one way and says it another your in trouble.
And finally,
If you want to give a keeper the best chance of saving a pen, telegraph which side your gonna hit it with your body shape, hit it 80% power, then not quite in the corner and a daisy cutter, this then gives the keeper the best possible chance of getting something in it.
Why players don’t lift it is beyond meYou never see a keeper dive upwards to save a pen
NeverLook I’ve always advocated for Maloney to stay and be given a chance but today I saw it as it was, poor tactics and players picked who are simply out of form or not good enough.
It’s no coincidence that we beat top half sides in our league and lose to sides who’ve won 1 in 10
That’s sticking with players and tactics plus formations. This league especially has a huge diverse in quality in teams from the top 6-8 to the bottom 6-8 a massive class difference.
This for me is more the reason to change tactics from when playing your Bolton’s and Pompeys to playing your Burtons Fleetwood’s and Cambridge’s, Maloney simply won’t or doesn’t know how to, that’s fact as the results don’t lie.
I was always of a belief that he needs “his players” before he can be judged but after that first half instructing Hughes and Kerr to keep hitting it into the corner changed my mind.
Choosing to play Magennis up front ? That’s loyalty and best m8 stuff. You cannot pick him on form as he has none.
Look today was an eye opener then to rub salt in the wounds, Goode like for like sub with minutes to go, simply why ?
Na, he’s making a pigs ear of it, tactics that don’t work, players picked who are not good enough or out of form and his answer is to make 5 subs every game hoping by changing half the outfield players it will all come good, clutching at straws comes to mind.
I don’t think Danson will get shut and I hope he can get it right but judged on the form against very poor sides he’s not a cat in hells chance,
Time to go for me I’m afraid sad but true
I watched a first half were Hughes and Kerr sat deep in our half under no pressure banging upteen utter useless 40yard cross field balls to the wings which had little affect and in return I watched Cambridge hit it long, straight down our necks and try to win the nod down,
Then second half I then watched Hughes and Kerr change tactics both deciding to pick the ball up and run with it into their half then passing it along the floor mainly for Godo then M.Smith (from centre mid not wing) puts a lovely dink ball over for Godo to run onto and nicely tuck away
But the most worrying thing and it wasn’t how sh*t Magennis or Shaw were it was the subs and when.
Now we all know we were poor 1st half, p*ss poor but still in it at 1-0 down and a full half to go what I saw was a clueless manager sh*it it and panic at half time.
Tweak it at half time? I agree yes your only 1-0 down with a full 45 to go,
3 at the back with 5-10mins to go 1-0 down? Yeah why not, throw caution to the wind ? yes
But to go 3 at the back with a full half/45mins to go but worse bring a guy like Humphrys on then ask him track back ? that’s a desperate from a clueless manager and to make matters worse he never did and did nothing but gave it away pretending to be Pele it was panic from Maloney.
We then ended up with 6 attackers on the pitch (sorry 5, Magennis stayed on) but thing was we were only 1-0 down for fooks sake!
Playing us is about as easy as reading a “Jack n Jill” book just follow the below steps:-
1) Sit deep don’t get drawn out by Hughes, Kerr and a midfielder all tippy tappy it, let them invite you in but just say no stay put in our half they’ll hit it long and wide,
2) Mark the wings and wait for their obligatory 40 yard Hail Mary and simply clear it or watch it go straight out,
3) Then us? Well that’s easy, simply hit it long, high and straight down their throats and try and get the knockdown, they can’t deal with that
I’m sorry but as the improvement proved in the second half (massive improvement over the first half) Maloney still doesn’t know his best starting 11 and just uses every sub and hope he hits it lucky those players must be scratching their heads before in the middle and after the game cause I do
S.Smith has been along with Chambers and Tickle one of our best players in recent weeks. Tickle and Chambers are first down on the team sheet but S.Smith ?.
Maloney before the match outlined changes because some players hadn’t performed well against Burton,
S.Smith wasn’t one of them but he’s made a Scapegoat to shoehorn Shaw in when Adeeko has been poor in recent weeks.Clair’s back, stick him in and play your inform players in their best position.
I’m highlighting because this has nothing to do with S.Smiths form this is basically a manager clutching at straws for me a clueless one.
His loyalty to Magennis is on par with Fletcher and for a player who couldn’t hit the West Stand glass front with a SpaceHopper he still picks him.
Again that’s a manager error.Those first half tactics and players choices were at there worse I’ve seen this season. I’ve always said Maloney needs a few transfer windows but that style of long stupid punts wouldn’t work even if we had Mbappe outwide nevermind Chambers.
If our poor form was against teams and the top and middle table yeah fine but there against poor poor sides.
If you changed all starting 11 for 11 brand new players of his choice and play those tactics we’d still lose. It’s nothing to do with the quality of the current squad but more to do with a clueless managers who dips in the lucky bag of subs every game and prays
Whats with the second administration CW? We didnt go in to administration a second time.
It was a figure of speech tbh as it was as near as dam it bar Danson coming in with literally hours to go and I mean hours.
That fat smelly looking black eyed cnut Krasner would have no doubt been hovering round cock in hand thinking double whammy time.
Those who think Danson should whip open the checkbook and start buying a squad need a severe head wobbling session, that’s exactly how we got into this mess.
We need to operate within a structured budget, watch what we spend on players and what we spend on wages. Don’t forget if you buy a player say for £250,000+ that player will want unsustainable wages to match.We have to be cute finding young lads and released pro’s. I personally feel flooding a side with loans doesn’t allow you build a side and I’d sooner bring our own through.
Like I said before, I’m just so made up I can still go watching football in Wigan but what’s currently been served up doesn’t taste very good. Hopefully Maloney can have decent summer window clearout the big earners and freshen it all up.
If I was Maloney I’d beg Danson to break the bank for Chambers, it’s money in the bank in a year or two.
Just look at Robinson and I think Chambers is far better at a similar ageThe 2nd administration was as close at it gets going to the wall. I would say from that position and with the transfer embargo (whether we buy players or not it’s there) I would say 2 seasons to put the mess right and the 3rd season we should have the correct squad to challenge for promotion.
I’m only going to judge Maloney from the takeover (this season) which was all about bringing players in on the supercheap due to a number of players who are currently on daft money.
We just needed players / bodies in the changing room so the squads probably not the players Maloney wanted and certain players don’t compliment others.
There was also the huge wage bill factor that I’m sure prevented the manager from hiring that better class of player this Jan.
Season 2
This will be about building “his squad” a fair few will no doubt be leaving or offered heavily reduced wages so we’ll be back to the usual 12-14 in and lots leaving.Then in season 2 he’ll have 2 windows to tweak it. If we happen to get up next season? Brucie Bonus, brilliant but I think season 2 will be basically setting us up for a season 3 push.
Season 3 ?, no excuses what so ever, whoever’s in charge should have a decent well balanced squad to lead the way to promotion.
My criticism is the slow tippy tappy belt n braces safety first football that’s cost us against the majority of teams fighting to stay up.
What I see is,
These teams come here to counter attack. Playing it along our back 4 does not draw opposition players out to expand the space and get in behind with 40yard Hughes hail Mary’s to the left.
Opposing sides love this so they sit deep and let us come to the half way line. This congests everything and stops us in our tracks with so many players in their half were not able to pass through them were all about playing it out wide.I think this is why so many lower clubs get something when playing us. They sit deep invite us knowing we prefer opening the game up then the counter us.
The better sides come at us chasing the back line down and the game then opens up for us.Next season building job
Season25-26 no excusesWhen you say “hand in his pocket” I agree and disagree.
Yes we need that bit of quality for me a forward but we have to be ultra careful with our spending due to our history of overspending.
I even remember the Steve Bruce days who put players the likes of Sibierski Melchiot Bramble on astronomical top 10 Prem club wages and eventually Martinez was given the job to clear the huge unsustainable wage bill down.We can’t keep relying on owners and their wallet because when at the end of the day when it dries up or clipped shut were back in the same boat. I mean, how many more Whelans and Danson’s are out there who’s prepared to plough money in with zero chance of a return ?.
We have to recruit and recruit well basically cherry pick youth players from our big 4 neighbors.
Looking back, we’ve picked up tonnes of young lads who’ve done brilliant then moved on for decent money the likes of McManaman and Baines and even Hughes falls into that bracket I think it’s what we have to resurrect and super quick.
We need a Chief Executive and a team of scouts paid to find potential young lads. I understand not every young lad will make it, granted but for me it’s our only option.
As I stated before, I’d sooner gamble on a youth set up than a stupid 3 year £10k a week £1.5-£2million player deal.
What I saw was a side hell bent on getting it wide to Humphrys and J.Smith who both struggled and when they did get a ball in on the rare occasion there was no one in there to finish it off.
We’ve a disjointed midfield not playing together and rarely played as a midfield unit. And worse when out of possession struggle to win it back especially Assguard and M.Smith who couldn’t tackle me nan. but the main one massive issue we have is :-
We do not have a forward, period,
We have no threat what so ever up front. We need that one guy who can get you a goal out of nothing, a handful. Kelman offered little against Burton and Magennis, well say no more on him, when he comes on it’s like going down to 10 men.
On the very few occasions we tried to 1-2 it through the middle Burton were left flat footed and I thought wow were mixing it up but Maloney prefers the width route and it wasn’t long before normal play resumed and we started pinging it out wide.
Thing is if the opposition double up on our wingers/widemen were fcuked cause our players are simply not good enough so the ball comes back to the defense and the slow build up starts again. This happens far to often.
It’s like Maloney’s waiting for the opposition to part like Moses and the Read sea and if they don’t go back,groundhog day football.
Crossing from wide is great that’s if you have men in the box but when we did get the ball in most of the time the ball fizzes through a host of defenders box with no one in there.
Look I’d love him the stay and what he’s done with limited resources is nothing short of a miracle but I’m not loving what I’m currently seeing, not one bit.
I left with 10 minutes to go something I rarely rarely do and even if we had of hit a 94th minute winner I wouldn’t have cared one iota as it wouldn’t have made up for the 93 minutes of gross football. I would have just shrugged my shoulders and said “Oh well, there you go”.
The answer ? I’m not paid or skilled enough I’m nothing more than a fan, an observer from the stands but tbh, it’s boring to watching. Whatever Maloney does he has to try and play attractive football, give us fans something to talk about after because currently I leave the ground saying nothing.
We desperately need a forward, a threat, someone who can get 10-15 and put fear into opposition defenders.
We are toothless, zero threat from any of our forwards. If there’s one position Danson needs to splash the cash on it’s a forward but I think if he does it will come at the expense of Tickle or Hughes leaving.On one hand I’m happy and grateful I’m going to watch us after what we’ve been through but right now I’m thinking I’m not too arsed I’m here and it’s not entertaining. Yes we get results,yes we’re safe, but to do this entertainment value is 0/10 utter dross.
I saw guys with kids there yesterday, hopefully our future fans,
But “Quid a Kid” ?
I wouldn’t be surprised if a few rang up today for a 50p refund.Us and tickets = sh*t for the past 5-6 years (probably longer) we’ve never even come close to getting it right.
Musn’t be important to the club you know fans and making arrangements
One last thing, I love the way the club are currently bragging on social media about 42% of the current first team players been from the youth system
Great
But let’s face it that wasn’t a choice that was forced upon us. Had we not been in the sh!tpit we were none of those would have played including Tickle and Hughes and Adeeko.This youth setup players coming through is something alot of Latics fans have been screaming at the club to do since way back to Whelan taking over.
Whelan promised us a youth set up to die for but put it all on the back burner in pursuit of Premiership glory and retain our status.
While we were in the Prem Whelan should have invested some of that Premiership money into a Cat1 academy and who knows things might have turned out different had we done so and might have bounced back up a year or two later
