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I think it’s a case of, who’s going to crack, Lowe or Danson ?.
I’m positive Danson will not want to give Lowe 2.5 years wages for the sh*tshow he’s brought to the table.
As fans we have one choice, get behind the team regardless of the manager.
We have to back them hopefully we’ll avoid the drop. Some of these players need to raise their BPM a few extra beats because theres a total lack of intensity right now.
From here on in I’m not gonna think about any drop to L2 because the sheer thought is painful. As a club we’ve outgrown L2 so at our worse were L1.
I heard some people talking about it saying some nice little grounds in L2 but coupled with that is, refereeing at it’s worse and farmer field pitches that turn into a long ball fest.
More worrying than anything for me is, get this,
in the summer out of 29 players currently at the club 19 are out of contract signed or loan (make that 20 because Tickle will be gone).
Then we have 8 players out on loan (some who should be here) making it in total of 37 players currently officially signed to play for Wigan Athletic.
37!!! For Christ sake, what the hell has gone on at all?, no wonder we’re not signing anyone, the aren’t enough showers and training comprises of a 20 a side match 2 keepers in each goal
It reminds me of City in the 80’s when they didn’t know the names of some players were on their books they’d that many.
For me that is stupid to let a squad get so big. The one for me that should have never left on loan is K’Marni Millar.
Sent out in loan sent back injured a couple of weeks back. This lad could be something special. He played 5 times for Radcliffe before getting crocked.
Millar needs to be at Wigan. It wasn’t that long back bigger fish were sniffing and we send him to Radcliffe, cracking idea.
Anyway this summer Danson will have been in charge for 3 years and the progress ??.
Zero, zilch
We are further away than ever from trying to mount a challenge to get back into the championship. This is what happens when you don’t invest and build a squad made up of kids & loans and those few players we sign a few year ago are now all due to leave or their out in loan, signed then dumped.
It’s a mess, a shambles, they might have stats figures, projection charts but it seems we lack common sense right now
Fans are leaving daily, the stadium looks like an old bike left out in the rain and the football dished up is off.
Is Danson correct in sticking with Lowe ? we’ll soon enough find out because Lowe needs to stick his hand up like a kid who’s farted and say
“Yeah it’s me”
Lowe needs to play to these players strengths and not to some Guardiola manual. A loss on Saturday and I think the Lowe out chorus will be louder than ever
Right I’m gonna put my tin hat on here:-
When all said and done the players haven’t helped themselves.
Doncaster, we defended like a Sunday league pub side. That Aimsons header on the floor speaks volumes
Wycombe
Wright grabs his arm 1st min… Was he in the box ? it doesn’t matter, if he doesn’t grab him no penalty.
Raphael’s header for Wycombe’s 2nd, laughable
That’s just to name couple …there’s lots more so although Lowe’s tactics/ setup doesn’t help, granted but if you defend like that and give the ball away every 5 seconds ? you will get undone.
No wonder we’ve 10 men behind the ball, M.Smith and Weir up till of late have had drop back into the defense week after week Bolton at home a prime example.
Yes the buck stops with Lowe and his tactics stink but those players don’t help themselves.
I’m not making excuses for Lowe far from it but these players to get a grip and fight tooth n nail for the cause
At times they look like they’ve downed tools. Regardless of a bad camp off the field, on the field they need bust scrap for every ball till the end otherwise regardless 3-4-5 at the back without that fight we’re down
Well I’ve heard a strong decent rumour Lowe’s going nowhere right now so we’re stuck with him for the foreseeable future.
To be honest, I’d like to see the back of him but would it be a good thing getting shut right now?. Looking at what’s on the manager front market “Out of the frying pan into the fire” comes to mind.
He plays a system the players struggle with but like Amorin when the players don’t get it or can’t get to grips with it you struggle like fook.
I’d go
5 at the back
Robinson Sessegnon back in
4 in the middle
1 up top
First and foremost we need become bullet proof.
I’d then give any centre half licence to run out and bring the ball out with them. Carragher always does well at that game but right now he’s shit scared.
This would allow M.Smith to move further up the pitch. Im so f**ked off watching him stood on the defenders shoulder when really he should be up the pitch making things happen.
Get Asamoah out wide, I don’t give a shit which side any, his pace will give anyone a mare.
Now you might say
5 at the back ?
Well all’s I’ve seen so far is, wingbacks struggling to defend,
3 centre halfs heads been spun then things like Raphael’s assist being the latest classic then the midfielders have to drop back in front of Aimsons Fox Carragher, the prime example was Bolton
If your left and right backs are first and foremost defenders and they know their jobs are to defend then all your midfield doesn’t need to come bombing back to help out so there’s an outlet further up the pitch for a counter and this has been our problem, players across the middle being dragged back and asked to defend for long periods
Would I prefer wingbacks yeah of course, too right but like at home I’d like steak every night and a new car but I can’t afford them so I make do
You make the best of what you’ve got and play to the players strengths not asking players to do a job when they clearly do not know how to and we all sit back and watch us struggle.
If Lowe persists with the 3 at the back (because that’s what it is) then I’m afraid we will go down, there’s no two ways about it.
The players can’t play in Lowe’s current system Ray Charles can see that but like Maloney Lowe’s stubbornness will be both our undoings, he loses his job, we go down.
I heard him say about the Doncaster game:-
“Players didn’t play to the instructions”
It’s not because they didn’t want, they simply can’t. Lowe has to adapt and fast, rapido. If he doesn’t he needs to go yesterday
I’m sure Danson moved the goalpost and Lowe received far less than he was promised which in-turn made him angry and frustrated.
By all accounts it’s business as per usual at Wigan. Lowe has been in a meeting today discussing recruiting and potential targets.
Think of it this way, would you go to a mangerless club in a Jan window ?. I’m sure Dansons thought this out and once Saturdays games out the way and the windows shut then and only then will be be relieved of his job.
I heard a good call earlier online
Leighton Baines
Alot of ex players reckon he’ll eventually go on to manage Everton so we might just be a good fit.
And I’m in no doubt that 13 years in the Prem,145 games (5 years for us) 348 games for Everton, 30 England caps he’d love to give it a go.
Oh and he’s only ever played for 2 clubs in 18 years as a pro which says a lot.
If our players don’t respect that they need to leave and leave now. Between Baines and G.Whelan I’m sure they’ll get us out this mess
As for tactics last night, one I spotted was,
Why was Moxon suddenly the designated free kick (into box) taker and corner taker over Murray ?.
Bare in mind he scored from a corner on his debut so you’d think he’d be a target to aim for.
This just shows you the crazy instructions given from the bench.
We are devoid of pace and the only guy who can stretch teams late on was given a full 9 minutes to save Lowe’s job Asamoah.
The lad is chomping at the bit and Lowe prefers pass pass pass. To be frank, I’ll be made up when he’s sacked because that last night, the 60 minutes at Doncaster coupled with the Cardiff then Bolton performances are some of the worse performaces I’ve seen since the Joyce and Toure era’s and they take some beating
I thought even after the goal we were the better side but again were gutless up top.
Raphael’s assist just proves what I’ve been saying for months, we don’t posess wingbacks.
Matt Smiths sat so deep it’s virtually impossible to make things tick. Then at 2-0 down Lowe basically went to a back 4 in a last gasp effort.
Lowe’s paid the price for not adapting a system to suit players at hand.
He has to go, period. There’s something not right. I noticed near the end Fox went to the bench to grab a drink and Lowe and Fox basically blanked each other. That’s his most senior player getting zero instructions or encouragement.
I think there’s enough backroom staff to see this season out without panicking and bringing in a rush job manager.
One that comes to mind
Leighton Baines
If you have a wingback who can bomb up and down, cross,tackle,defend believe you me he isn’t at your club long.
The player at our level will have 1 or 2 of those attributes but will lack in another department.
The only player I’ve ever seen to play that complete role was Ashley Cole. It’s a modern role brought to the UK by foreign managers who don’t mind winning 5-4 but right now at Wigan :-
1) We don’t have any player who can play wingbacks
2) Our 3 centre halfs struggle when the wingbacks fail
3) midfield constantly get dragged back into a defending role
A prime example was Bolton at home. A few days later Bolton were held to a dour 0-0 after been beaten by Port Vale.
But Lowe persists with this kamikaze style football even though it doesn’t suit the players we have.
Dansons tightened the purse strings so tight they’d be lucky get hot water in the showers that we can’t bring anyone in without someone having to leave first.
As I stated before I’d 100% play 4-5-1
get 3 in the midfield and get that battle won now Moxon here one lone striker but with the spare man in the middle and 2 widemen who aren’t filling their trollies incase they don’t get back and they can push further up diag balls in behind
If we had Ashley Cole type left right backs yeah wingbacks all the way but the simple fact is, we don’t, and we never will.
The sign of a brilliant manager is a manager who can read a players best attributes and he builds a system to bring out the best in his players and pieces his jigsaw together especially when you have no money to change things.
His jobs not to ask players to play in a system they simply aren’t good enough to play in.
Me?
Lowe won’t change so it’s time to change Lowe before L2 beckons. His system style is failing badly and for us to be 3 down against a club struggling in the bottom 3 spoke volumes
My argument is asking players to do a job they’ve probably never done before and one is
Wingbacks
It takes a serious type of player the master the art of attack and defense and reading the game so as your not caught out.
Lowe relies on this 3 at the back which means they constantly get pulled left, right and centre due to wingbacks not defensively minded.
Asking Hungbo to defend ?, I’m sorry but it’s a step too far. So he puts Murray in and tbh he’s no better at defending.
This just puts pressure on the back 3 and low and behold we look wide open.
Moxon looked ok in the second half and Taylor’s goal out of nothing was superb. But, those goals should be putting us into a winning position not chasing Doncaster’s 3 goals.
Lowe for me needs a reality check, he can’t stick to a system when he doesn’t have the type of player to execute it.
It’s not happening for Lowe and he needs to go. I honestly cannot see Tickle staying, I’m in no doubt Danson will force the sale so Lowe can strengthen
Tickles under the cosh because of the defense badly failing. That 3rd Doncaster goal was a Keystone Cop moment.
3-3 doesn’t paper over the cavern size cracks in the team. I’ll never boo our players, never have never will. Nor will I sing “He’s getting sacked in the morning” which I totally disagree with but I can fully understand the travelling fans frustration.
Just got back and Lowe needs to go. I won’t go into the finer details but 3-3 doesn’t paint over the sh*t show.
If it wasn’t for Tickle making 4 tremendous saves we’d have lost that 7-3
40 quid for a cup game that’s on the TV and on a Sunday is a fookin p!ss take.
What extra would they make from £25-£40 ?. Let’s say we take 2000
£30k extra?, fookin wow
Half a day’s pay for Saka, times must be tight for Arsenal tight bar stewards
The burning million dollar question is,
Does Lowe have what it takes to keep us up?.
Based on Preston, yes
Based on recent League performances Burton yes
Based on Cardiff no
Based on Bolton no
It’s not the losses it’s the manner of those losses. A few days later Bolton put in another dour 0-0 performance away at Stevenage which proves one thing, Bolton didn’t beat us, we beat ourselves with the shit scared tactics Lowe gave the players, the exact same tactics he gave out away at Cardiff.
For me he has to go, I’m sorry but if he stays in place our position in L1 might be under the cosh.
His fear of winning a game is far outweighed by his fear of losing a game.
The tell tale signs that things aren’t right in the camp are, when players like Murray suddenly lose form and the manager drops the likes of Asamoah for performing well
I always think back to the interview he did were he mentioned certain players aren’t doing this, that, the other at the training ground, that is a recipe for a disaster.
Things a slowly creeping up on us and the next thing we’ll be in a dog fight to stay in the division.
If we go down I’m sorry I’ll pick my games next year. If Danson can’t get this shit show going and show willing then I’ll do the same
Next season will be no different from the rest 14-16 out 14-16 in mostly free and loans and from lower leagues than us.
Take the signing of Moxon on loan, I’m not one for slating any player till I’ve seen them play a dozen or so games but on paper his previous doesn’t get you excited.
He spent the vast majority of his career (9 years in total) in the lower Scottish Leagues and Carlisle.
Portsmouth sell Stockport then loan out. Now I’m not saying whether he’s a good or bad signing I’ll put that on hold till I’ve seen him, he might be a world beater.
But looking at his age, his previous clubs and the amount of EFL games he’s played I’m not so sure he’s at L1 level, I hope he proves me wrong
Well if he left Asamoah for Taylor he’s a bellend. I don’t even think Taylor would have been bothered not to be thrown in just after signing.
When Asamoah got the pen at Preston you could see what it meant to him the way he celebrated.
Then I’m thinking we have that holding mid problem or defender and Mellish is on loan.
Now people might go “he’s not good enough” I would have agreed when he first arrived but he grew into the job and was never scared to bomb forward and to be honest, he’s as good as anything we’ve got at the moment. He’s a regular in a side that would us comfortabley right now.
But dropping Asamoah will have crushed that lads emotions. To come on against a side in 3th in the Championship and tear them apart then to be repaid by being dropped in our derby
Lowe got that one wrong, seriously wrong. Time to go before L2 beckons
That game was clearly lost in the middle of the park. Once that midfield was lost it was all about dropping back in.
Matt Smith stunk the place out. This guy needed to get a foothold on the ball but instead he was back peddling for most of the game totally uninvolved. I’d comfortably say it was his worse performance in a Wigan shirt.
There’s no way he should have been still on that park till the 87th minute he was truly pathetic and to top it off his header out lead to the goal.
Possession 32%
Shots on target 0
Corners 1
Crosses 2
For me Hungbo and Raphael are not confident in playing a wing back roll and were caught out numerous times which in turn means Weir and Smith were constantly having to drop back in.
This just added pressure and it built up all the way through the 2nd half.
We’d be much better off
Flat back 4 Robinson in
2 wide
3 mid (one attacking)
One up front.
Lowe for me put everything into that Preston game purely for a one-upmanship on his old club and Bolton was an after thought and it showed.
He got out gunned and out thought for the full 90. One more thing, was Asamoah injured ?, because if he wasn’t and he was simply dropped for Taylor Lowe wants his arse kicking. Against Preston Asamoah’s pace alone put the fear of God into them.
A loss against Doncaster will put us a point off the drop zone and only then will the harse reality hit home that L2 beckons unless Lowe gets it right asap and stop pissing around with 3 at the back.
I’ve had enough of this defend first attack if possible but not essential tactics like the Bolton and Cardiff games.
We were comprehensively beaten by a side who’d won 2 in 7, drawn with Doncaster and lost to Port Vale, which showed they were clearly out of form.
Lowe out?, Preston fans warned us when he took over, I simply thought sour grapes but it’s not looking like that now.
He seems void of tactics and his post match interviews ? I have to check the date of the videos because they don’t seem to be about the game I watched.
