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To the essence of the issue (about time you did # … ) – sub-standard defender/form – practically week in /out.
Metaphor was taken to support my initial personal opinion view after the Chelsea game. I didn’t pass it off as my own (source was quoted).It has however remained most apt (why re-invent the wheel ?)
Concept of free speech ???
No, the essence of this issue is that you quoted a metaphor from a daily tabloid and yes, named the source on that occasion. You then used the same metaphor twice more over subsequent weeks without mentioning that it had been taken from a newspaper.
It wasn’t a particularly funny metaphor in the first instance, which is why I noticed when you’d used it a second, then a third time.
The wheel doesn’t need reinventing because it can’t be improved upon – so if you think using the ‘Ramis is slower than an out of season holiday in Majorca’ is a flawless metaphor, then fair enough, you wear it out and I won’t mention it again.
Free speech? Absolutely, but not recyling.
Ps. (about time you did # … ) No idea what this means.
Sorry, no.You may /may not recall Des Walker (CB, Nottm Forest). Great PL player in his prime.
So the Forest song went ‘You’ll never beat Des Walker, you’ll never ..’
Moreover, if you are going to get done for pace, then take one for the team (e.g. Ramis – 1st goal …he ain’t even quick, or smart (?) enough
to do that.Not need to apologise. As you said in your last post – freedom of speech and all that.
‘You may/may not recall Des Walker…’ funnily enough, yes I do recall him as I was in my twenties when he playing, and coincidentally I met him last summer.
Yes, Des Walker was incredibly quick for a centre half. He was pretty much an anomaly however, and played at centre half for England with Tony Adams, Terry Butcher and Mark Wright – great centre halves, but would you back any of them in a footrace again a quick lad on the wing?
So you disagree that a ‘winger’ would be expected to beat a centre half for pace every time? Seriously?
And, taking ‘one for the team’ if the man gets past you? What the f’ck are you on about? It’s 2012. You don’t scythe players down if they get past you these days. You’re likely to get either sent off or at the very least a yellow card – putting you on edge for the rest of the game.
Sorry, no.You may /may not recall Des Walker (CB, Nottm Forest). Great PL player in his prime.
So the Forest song went ‘You’ll never beat Des Walker, you’ll never ..’
Moreover, if you are going to get done for pace, then take one for the team (e.g. Ramis – 1st goal …he ain’t even quick, or smart (?) enough
to do that.That is what I meant ! I consider him to have been a major factor in their first goal ![/quote]
Phil, he was beaten for pace by a quick lad, but then the ball was touched by at least another two players infield. If you can seriously blame Ramis for that goal, you also need to blame Caldwell or Figueroa for no closing the goalscorer down, Boyce for not tracking back and leaving Ramis to cover the flank, James McCarthy and James McCarthur for not being in a position to cut out the ball that came back inside from the left wing….etc.Sorry, no.
You may /may not recall Des Walker (CB, Nottm Forest). Great PL player in his prime.
So the Forest song went ‘You’ll never beat Des Walker, you’ll never ..’
Moreover, if you are going to get done for pace, then take one for the team (e.g. Ramis – 1st goal …he ain’t even quick, or smart (?) enough
to do that.That is what I meant ! I consider him to have been a major factor in their first goal ![/quote]
Phil, he was beaten for pace by a quick lad, but then the ball was touched by at least another two players infield. If you can seriously blame Ramis for that goal, you also need to blame Caldwell or Figueroa for no closing the goalscorer down, Boyce for not tracking back and leaving Ramis to cover the flank, James McCarthy and James McCarthur for not being in a position to cut out the ball that came back inside from the left wing….etc.[/quote]I did change to say he was a major factor and also questioned Boyce’s AWOL situation !
Sorry, no.
You may /may not recall Des Walker (CB, Nottm Forest). Great PL player in his prime.
So the Forest song went ‘You’ll never beat Des Walker, you’ll never ..’
Moreover, if you are going to get done for pace, then take one for the team (e.g. Ramis – 1st goal …he ain’t even quick, or smart (?) enough
to do that.Not need to apologise. As you said in your last post – freedom of speech and all that.
NOT APOLOGISING FOR ANYTHING, BUD
‘You may/may not recall Des Walker…’ funnily enough, yes I do recall him as I was in my twenties when he playing, and coincidentally I met him last summer.
YOU MET HIM … LUCKY YOU !
Yes, Des Walker was incredibly quick for a centre half. He was pretty much an anomaly however, and played at centre half for England with Tony Adams, Terry Butcher and Mark Wright – great centre halves, but would you back any of them in a footrace again a quick lad on the wing?
DES WALKER AN ANOMALY ??? NO – JUST AN EXAMPLE …
So you disagree that a ‘winger’ would be expected to beat a centre half for pace every time? Seriously?
TOO SIMPLISTIC (E.G. ‘YOUR ANOMALY’, DES WALKER)
And, taking ‘one for the team’ if the man gets past you? What the f’ck are you on about? It’s 2012. You don’t scythe players down if they get past you these days.
RIGHT SO YOU’RE TELLING ME THAT NOT ONE PLAYER ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON HAS BEEN BOOKED FOR A CALCULATED ‘POOR CHALLENGE’ (AND I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT ‘DOING HARM’ TO ANOTHER PLAYER)
You’re likely to get either sent off or at the very least a yellow card – putting you on edge for the rest of the game.[/quote]
Sorry, no.
You may /may not recall Des Walker (CB, Nottm Forest). Great PL player in his prime.
So the Forest song went ‘You’ll never beat Des Walker, you’ll never ..’
Moreover, if you are going to get done for pace, then take one for the team (e.g. Ramis – 1st goal …he ain’t even quick, or smart (?) enough
to do that.Not need to apologise. As you said in your last post – freedom of speech and all that.
‘You may/may not recall Des Walker…’ funnily enough, yes I do recall him as I was in my twenties when he playing, and coincidentally I met him last summer.
Yes, Des Walker was incredibly quick for a centre half. He was pretty much an anomaly however, and played at centre half for England with Tony Adams, Terry Butcher and Mark Wright – great centre halves, but would you back any of them in a footrace again a quick lad on the wing?
So you disagree that a ‘winger’ would be expected to beat a centre half for pace every time? Seriously?
And, taking ‘one for the team’ if the man gets past you? What the f’ck are you on about? It’s 2012. You don’t scythe players down if they get past you these days. You’re likely to get either sent off or at the very least a yellow card – putting you on edge for the rest of the game.[/quote]
So Standish you don’t believe that taking one for the team still goes on in modern football??? The Italians have it down to a fine art and most players will at some point bring a player down to stop a goal threat. I’m not on about a 2 footed knee high challenge, a sneaky ankle tap will do but don’t kid yourself it doesn’t go on. And I would be a lot happier with Ramis getting booked and Swansea not scoring, wouldn’t you???
Ramis was almost at the junction of halfway line and touchline when he was passed. He shouldn’t have needed to take one for the team. There was half a pitch and half a team for him to go past at that point. He could reasonably have expected a goal to have been prevented.
Ramis was almost at the junction of halfway line and touchline when he was passed. He shouldn’t have needed to take one for the team. There was half a pitch and half a team for him to go past at that point. He could reasonably have expected a goal to have been prevented.Whilst I agree that there was too much that went on after for Ramis to take the whole of the blame for the 1st goal I think he has to shoulder a big chunk of the blame for it.
Not because he got beat for pace but because he committed himself way to eagerly & too far up the pitch. One shake of the hips from Routledge & Ramis had sold himself, was caught out of position, never had a cat in hell’s chance of catching him up & left the defence exposed.
It was a really basic mistake & worringly IMO for Ramis not the first time he has done it this season & not the first time that it’s wound up costing us a goal as he also did it for one of the goals against Chelsea.
At the time he did what he did there was absolutely no danger but Ramis blundered in like some lumbering cart horse & all of a sudden, Latics are on the back foot, Swansea have momentum & other players are caught out of position coz there’s been a sudden & unexpected change in the flow of the game
Bad mistake & if I’m honest I’ve been distinctly underwhelmed with what I’ve seen of Ramis since he arrived. I’d go with the calls to either get Alcaraz back in (whilst he may be dodgy on the ball he can defend better than that) or if he aint fit draft Boyce into the middle 3 & have Stam at right wing backJPC01,
Firstly, no need to shout.
NOT APOLOGISING FOR ANYTHING, BUD You said ‘sorry but’. That means you’re apologising in advance for something.
YOU MET HIM … LUCKY YOU ! Indeed I am very lucky in many ways. I was merely rising to your attempt at being patronising ‘You may/may not recall’. Yes I remember him because I watched him as a younger adult then met him as an older adult.
DES WALKER AN ANOMALY ??? NO – JUST AN EXAMPLE … Ok, if he’s an example, give me more similar examples. Seems strange that you’ve referred back to a retired player as an example of a centre half who is as quick as a winger. For a Wigan themed example, would you put your money on a relay race containing De Zeeuw, De Vos, Bramble, & Henchoz or one containing Moses, N’Zogbia, Valencia & Teale?
TOO SIMPLISTIC (E.G. ‘YOUR ANOMALY’, DES WALKER) Of course it’s too simplistic because you will get the odd slow winger and the odd incredibly quick centre half. I guess that 96 times out of 100 if you compare a wide player to a centre half, the quickest will be the wide player. (I’ve made that stat up)
RIGHT SO YOU’RE TELLING ME THAT NOT ONE PLAYER ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON HAS BEEN BOOKED FOR A CALCULATED ‘POOR CHALLENGE’ (AND I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT ‘DOING HARM’ TO ANOTHER PLAYER) No I am sure there is at least one player who has done this, but it’s certainly not the done thing these days. And I very much doubt anyone chopped an opponent down when not in a scoring position just because he couldn’t match him for speed. You can’t get away with doing that these days. And why, considering the position on the field Ramis was in, you’d even expect him to take such an action?
Tug of the shirt would have done the trick ! Caldwell against Everton blatantly fouled Howard as he was about to release a player because Caldwell needed to get back in position.It goes on all the time. TyldesleyLatic has hit the nail right on the head re Ramis for me so far he has not been value for money !
So Standish you don’t believe that taking one for the team still goes on in modern football??? The Italians have it down to a fine art and most players will at some point bring a player down to stop a goal threat. I’m not on about a 2 footed knee high challenge, a sneaky ankle tap will do but don’t kid yourself it doesn’t go on. And I would be a lot happier with Ramis getting booked and Swansea not scoring, wouldn’t you???Would you call an ankle tap ‘taking one for the team’? Of course deliberate fouls are committed, but you rarely see someone clattering an opponent in such an obvious scenario as Ramis was in on Saturday.
And no, I wouldn’t have wanted him to get a yellow as it wasn’t a goal scoring opportunity at that stage.
end of the day we have known for a while what our weakness is and will be,
failure to address it year in year out is why we struggle as we do
blame lies at the hands of one person onlyIf he had a bigger budget to work with I’m sure it would be addressed.[/quote]
I thought it was addressed with the 5m signing of Ramis.
I knew his pace would ruin his chances in this league. You have to have great feet to compensate for lack of pace in this league but he doesn’t have either. I reserved judgement after Chelsea but i haven’t seen anything different from him unfortunately :( :(
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