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I thought last nights game was entertaining and a much improved second half performance. I don’t get why a lot of people are getting on Martinez’s back over last night, yep, City didn’t have all their players back but they had Aguero, Silva and Dzeko upfront, 2 England Internationals and a French International in midfield, and English International in the goal and other good premiership players….and obviously we should be beating them FFS!
I think it has been tough on teams similar to ourselves and while an unexpected result does occur now ant then, the likes of us, Bolton, Wolves, Blackburn etc.. are finding it difficult to attract good players at affordable prices, and lets be honest, we are a point or two away from all the teams just mentioned….a very fine line. I summarise this…
Swansea and Norwich are on 1st season premiership highs
Stoke play longball…but do heavily invest in their squad and fill 27k every week
Fulham fill 25k every week and have one of the richest men in retail at the helm
QPR will come good at the end of the season due to their billionaire owner
Everton and West Brom are slowly slipping down
The top 6 have revenues that we can only dream of and invest heavily in their squads
The likes of Newcastle, Villa, SunderlandWe would need to invest heavily to keep up with teams such as Stoke, Fulham etc…but where would the money come from? After seeing a pathetic 16k for a game against City, why should Whelan fork out again when the people of Wigan are sitting in pubs and supporting any other team other than Wigan?
It’s not Martinez’s fault, its not Whelan’s fault….it is what it is…..
If we can get a good loan Striker with proven track record, we might start climbing up. It would be nice to have a Yakubu player…not graceful but someone who can knock into defences and knows where the goal is.
If Rodallega would have scored 7 more goals this season, we wouldn’t be where we are now…
We might go down…but in 2005, if I said we would be in the Premiership for 7 years….I would have been sectioned!
Dont disagree with much of that Jimmy
Dont forget we had at least 7 internationals playing for us as well – so your point about ‘internationals’ is invalid other than that I think you have missed the point
We are Wigan Athletic – we came from nowhere to the top league, this climb mirrored our history of always being the under dog from 1932 through to 1978 and so on
What we had then and dont have now is the fight, the will and the passion – its all gone.
I don’t think it is lack of passion, fight and commitment, it was plain to see yesterday with the tackles going in and the running our players were doing show that there is fight and passion. The problems are pretty straight forward..
(1) We are good in midfield but as soon as we get near the box, nobody will take responsibility for having a go on goal or organising an attack. The only person who has been “having a go” is Moses and often he takes the wrong option…which the crowd makes their opinions known.
(2) Zonal marking clearly isn’t working for us. We need to be toe to toe with their main threats from set pieces and run of play. Caldwell may not be the most gifted defender but he shows commitment and does his best to organise the back. I think Al Habsi needs to be a bit more vocal.
I think we do have fight and passion and I do think we will get out of this. I can make excuses up like the rest of my fellow lightsiders but the facts are simple in this league:
No Investment = No Sucesses
16k is pathetic against top of the league
but its nothing to do with being shyte for three or more years,a chairman who doesn’t give a rats arse anymore
when we get a decent player he is sold faster than a slappers crotch
and our goalie spends most of the time bricking it with not only the opposition running at him but his own frigging team as well
cant blame those who vote to stay away with their feet,after all its their money to spend how they wantI think what he is trying to say is that whilst we have some passion and desire we quite simply are not good enough. This sentence will be echoed in no more than 3 or 4 seasons in the Championship with the squad RM has assembled !
well its a catch 22 then, Nobody turns up so why should Whelan bankroll it (Personally I think Whelan cares a lot still)…we sell our best players to make ends meet, we have to make do with players who cost under £5M and won’t exceed 25k a week and may not be as good as players who cost £10M and £60k a week…Other teams are buying £7M+ players and up to 200k a week in wages.
We get the club out of debt by weakening Whelans share position but this has an impact on what we can invest in the club.
…so in a very unfair league…its unfair.
The people who do think that whelan should “get his wallet out” I ask you this. If you are being paid well at work and can just about manage your bills and mortgage…would you go out to a bank and borrow £50k for a new car…or may be several new cars, in hope that one day everything will be ok????
if no, why would you expect Whelan to do the same?
Not the fault of the club, Whelan or Martinez that Filmoss. I read yesterday on Twitter that some “Wiganer” was going to the match to watch his home town team hopefully beat City so that we could do “us” a favor..
..wasn’t until I seen the “Love MUFC” at the bottom that I got what he was saying!
16k is crap…a few of my mates stayed in the pub coz it was cold but this seems to be the norm these days…
Couple of points to pick you up on Standish – specifically where you say anything we get out of the game would be a bonus and a game we should be looking to get out of the way.My question would be why?
What happened to the ‘We did it 3 times’?
These teams are beatable we should be going out to get a result, get in their faces, put them under pressure – not giving up before we have kicked off and ‘getting the game out of the way’
There were 3 points there to play for and with a bit more passion we could have got something
Why? Because I’m a realist and I don’t have a gung-ho bone in my body.
I’m not saying the game should be thrown, and yes they should give it a good go; it’s the attitude of some poster on here last night that I found ridiculous – with the ‘We should of (sic) beaten them’ attitude. No we should not. On paper we would lose heavily every time.
It’s the not the City we’ve beaten on a regular basis over the years. Over the last twelve months they’ve turned unto something totally different that the shambles we used to get four against. They beat Man Utd 6-1 for fook’s sake!
Yes of course every team is beatable, but some are more beatable than others and the least beatable team in the country this season is Man City.
On another post you are saying so what if they have internationals – so do we. The difference is their internationals play for England, France, Spain etc. Our’s play for Scotland, Honduras and Oman.
Had we changed our game plan and shown this ‘more passion’ that people talk about, who’s to say that City would not have changed theirs, hit us on the counter, and out five past us? It’s all ifs and buts.
We know all about our financial shortfalls but surely you have to agree that he had shown poor judgement when he has spent.Would you give him any more dosh ?
I would say his biggest mistake was Boselli but I cant really think of any other players who have been mistakes…(obviously the not good enough argument comes into play here but relative on the cost of the player in the first place)
..pay peanuts and get Championship/league 1 players…
We know all about our financial shortfalls but surely you have to agree that he had shown poor judgement when he has spent.Would you give him any more dosh ?Yes, there have been some poor decisions in the transfer market, but unfortunately, all managers are prone to it.
You only need look down the road at Anfield where there’s a £25 million shire horse on the payroll. The manager’s still backing him though – because that’s what managers do.
If I trusted him to manage the team, as Whelan is doing, then yes, of course I’d trust him with more money.
We know all about our financial shortfalls but surely you have to agree that he had shown poor judgement when he has spent.Would you give him any more dosh ?
Yes, there have been some poor decisions in the transfer market, but unfortunately, all managers are prone to it.
You only need look down the road at Anfield where there’s a £25 million shire horse on the payroll. The manager’s still back him though – because that’s what managers do.
If I trusted him to manage the team, as Whelan is doing, then yes, of course I’d trust him with more money.[/quote]
What is it they say about a fool and his money??? and whatever you think of Whelan he’s no fool.
What is it they say about a fool and his money??? and whatever you think of Whelan he’s no fool.You mean the same Whelan who is backing Martinez?
Whelan’s certainly no fool, and I’m sure Roberto would thank you for that backhanded show of support!
being honest
i dont expect whelan to spend his money ok he has a tidy sum,but no where near enough to keep this club in top flight football
we will sooner than later be playing our old rivals rochdale bury oldham and so on and the stadium will be owned by the towns major sporting and most successful club thats a cert
and i cant stand them
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