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Got to be Bobby. Bobby an old boy who came back. Bruce a Judas who left us twice and did the same everywhere he as been. Look at him now spent a fortune and with a fortunes worth of players allready there. Bobby inherited Bruces’ chaos and with the club showing a 20 million plus on transfers in a year is just one point behind Judas Bruce.
We now have 8 away games and have just to visit 4 clubs Chelsea, Citeh, Brum and Fulham ( from the top half ). Every chance in deed to finish ahead of Bruce.
Actually if Bobby keeps us up after what as occured since last years winter deadline he deserves the Freedom of Wigan and go up on a pedastal like Alan Brown, Gordon Milne and Paul Jewel.
Well done Bob and good riddance Bruce.Bit harsh, Bruce had plenty of reason’s to leave and if you werent a Latics fan you would see that. He’s hardly left us with a chaos, imagine if there was no rodallega or N’zogbia, we WOULD be fkt. Still though my choice would have to be…Bobby, though his tactics sometimes baffle me (probably why I dont manage in the prem ;) )
Got to be Bobby. Bobby an old boy who came back. Bruce a Judas who left us twice and did the same everywhere he as been. Look at him now spent a fortune and with a fortunes worth of players allready there. Bobby inherited Bruces’ chaos and with the club showing a 20 million plus on transfers in a year is just one point behind Judas Bruce.
We now have 8 away games and have just to visit 4 clubs Chelsea, Citeh, Brum and Fulham ( from the top half ). Every chance in deed to finish ahead of Bruce.
Actually if Bobby keeps us up after what as occured since last years winter deadline he deserves the Freedom of Wigan and go up on a pedastal like Alan Brown, Gordon Milne and Paul Jewel.
Well done Bob and good riddance Bruce.Awe reet Tashhy, I agree with you.
Bruce let himself down in my opinion. You know damn well when you come to a clube of our stature, that you have to work miracles on a tight budget; so you shouldn’t be disillusioned when you can’t afford top dollar wages & players.Ignoring the way that Bruce jumped ship (although I can’t blame him & if you think Bobby will do any less if a “bigger” club comes calling then you are living in cloud cuckoo land) & basing my decision solely on the tactics & consistant performances then its Steve Bruce hands down for me – so far.
For all you saying look at the mess Bobby inherited a) as someone else has pointed out I don’t think it was that much of a mess & b) look at the pile of chaotic situation Bruce inherited.
We hadn’t won in god knows how long, had no recognised left back & he turned players who were playing poorly before he came Bramble – in fact the whole back four, Kirkland, Valencia etc. into looking twice as good within weeks.
Within months Bobby has turned those players who were here under Bruce & playing well – Bramble, Boyce, Melchiot, Kirkland etc.. into (at times) as much use as a chocolate fire guardIgnoring the way that Bruce jumped ship (although I can’t blame him & if you think Bobby will do any less if a “bigger” club comes calling then you are living in cloud cuckoo land) & basing my decision solely on the tactics & consistant performances then its Steve Bruce hands down for me – so far.
For all you saying look at the mess Bobby inherited a) as someone else has pointed out I don’t think it was that much of a mess & b) look at the pile of chaotic situation Bruce inherited.
We hadn’t won in god knows how long, had no recognised left back & he turned players who were playing poorly before he came Bramble – in fact the whole back four, Kirkland, Valencia etc. into looking twice as good within weeks.
Within months Bobby has turned those players who were here under Bruce & playing well – Bramble, Boyce, Melchiot, Kirkland etc.. into (at times) as much use as a chocolate fire guardWas me who pointed that amazing fact out tyldesley, I voted Bobby because, generally I just like the guy and think he will be a good manager for us, but up to now he hasn’t proved himself to be the manager that Bruce was.
Bruce made some very very bad signings – Kapo, DeRidder, Cho, Watson, King (6million), – Bruce made as many bad signings as he did good ones.
Bobby has had very little transfer window to work with. How can we be judging him at all. Give him time. Give him a few transfer windows to work with and then we can start to ask questions.
Bobby is still working with a team set up by hutchings and bruce – and there is a lot of poor quality in there!!!
Bruce made some very very bad signings – Kapo, DeRidder, Cho, Watson, King (6million), – Bruce made as many bad signings as he did good ones.Bobby has had very little transfer window to work with. How can we be judging him at all. Give him time. Give him a few transfer windows to work with and then we can start to ask questions.
Bobby is still working with a team set up by hutchings and bruce – and there is a lot of poor quality in there!!!
Is right! This next week might be very interesting. We need to give Bob a full season AND pre-season. See how we fair by about October before we judge.
“Bobby has had very little transfer window to work with. How can we be judging him at all”
I take your general point, but Bobby had nigh on 3 months of a transfer window to make signings. he’s made some alright ones & some shit ones so far. Just like Bruce
Bruce turned a very poor side, conceding goals left right & centre into a half decent one before the transfer window. When that month long transfer window had come & gone he’d made decent enough signings (along with coaching appointments) to turn the side into one which had top 8 form.
In roughly an equal amount of time (IMO) Bobby has done a poorer jobI can only judge Bobby on what I’ve seen so far & for the most part that has been poor – from tactics, to formations, to team selection, to substitutions, to performances with just the odd glimpse (Villa, Chelsea, last week etc..) that when they click they can produce somet pretty good
Yes its probably wrong to compare a guy in post for 7 months with one who was in post for 20 months but to say “how can we judge him at all” is a load of crap IMO
he had 3 months of transfer window?
jesus christ lad!! he should have turned it around in that time shouldn’t he!
3 months of a window in relation to players 4 – 5 yr contracts is nothing.
you cannot ship out all the crap we have in one window and bring in a whole new squad.
I don’t think your grasping my point.”Bobby has had very little transfer window to work with. How can we be judging him at all”I take your general point, but Bobby had nigh on 3 months of a transfer window to make signings. he’s made some alright ones & some whale ones so far. Just like Bruce
Bruce turned a very poor side, conceding goals left right & centre into a half decent one before the transfer window. When that month long transfer window had come & gone he’d made decent enough signings (along with coaching appointments) to turn the side into one which had top 8 form.
In roughly an equal amount of time (IMO) Bobby has done a poorer jobI can only judge Bobby on what I’ve seen so far & for the most part that has been poor – from tactics, to formations, to team selection, to substitutions, to performances with just the odd glimpse (Villa, Chelsea, last week etc..) that when they click they can produce somet pretty good
Yes its probably wrong to compare a guy in post for 7 months with one who was in post for 20 months but to say “how can we judge him at all” is a load of rubbish IMO
Agree with all of that Tyldesley. But the part where your judging him about subs and tactics etc, It’s his desicion and he is probably better at it than us as, like I said before, we are not premiership managers, although I did get Wolves to win the prem in just 2 seasons after starting in the championship on LMA 2005. :D
“he had 3 months of transfer window?
jesus christ lad!! he should have turned it around in that time shouldn’t he!
3 months of a window in relation to players 4 – 5 yr contracts is nothing.
you cannot ship out all the rubbish we have in one window and bring in a whole new squad.
I don’t think your grasping my point”I know exactly the point you are making area51 – I just disagree with it
When trying to compare Bruce & Bobby – in one (shorter) transfer window (and after less time in the job) Steve Bruce had turned around a bloody awful & clueless side into one that was pretty good & he was lumbered with a lot of Hutching’s & Jewell’s $h!te. IMO Bobby has made the side worse than it was last season although that is a matterof personal opinion
You can also compare the players who worked under Bruce & who are still here under Bobby. With the possible exception of N’Zogbia they are all (IMO) playing worse under Bobby than they did under Bruce & whilst the players themselves have to shoulder some of that blame so does the manager
You also made the point that we couldn’t possibly judge Bobby coz he hasn’t been in the job long enough. He’s been in post for over 7 months now. Most decent companies will give a new employee a 6 month trial period & its a fairly dcent time frame to form an opinion about a football manager’s ability.
I am not saying sack him by any means but there are alot of things about Latics on the football field that need improving that can’t all be blamed on inheriting some crap squad players from previous managers or only having 3 months of a transfer window in which to sign & release players
So the point I was making was that it is perfectly possible to judge Bobby on the season so far & IMO that judgement is could be doing alot better
i don’t think you’re grasping my point!!! Bobby of course; if only for the reason he’s a pin-up boy, whereas Brucie is a gargoyle.What are you trying to say shorthouse….mmmmmmm?
who are the good signings martinez has made ?
scotland and gomez are useless – sinclair is that good he never plays him,amaya never seen and reports now that he will be offered for another chump from swansea – henry was already a done deal ,time will tell how good the other 2 mccarthy and diame turn out so thats 2 that may or may not turn out to be good signings.
not a good record so far
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