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  • #46922
    The DukeThe Duke
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      The style of play isn’t boring when it’s played properly.

      Unfortunately, we don’t play it properly and don’t have the players skilled enough to do so.

      #46943

      Monthly midweek alcohol fuelled rant…

      Duke, I’d agree completely that the style of football Martinez professes to is not a boring one. It’s the type of football played by Real, Barcelona, Arsenal and the France of old to name four notables.

      The team get stick on this site for sideways passing, when that is the whole ethos of the Martinez style of play. What’s he expected to do when all is not going to plan, shout ‘F@ck it! Gerrit forwards’ and start windmilling on the touchline? Things aren’t going well, and I’m sure all acknowledge that, but, why expect a manager to change his entire style of play to suit? Would you expect Allardyce to say ‘It’s not working lads. Let’s keep it on the floor and out-pass ‘em’?

      Yes, as some have said, Man Utd play 4-5-1 and 4-4-2, sometimes with out-and-out wingers, but sometimes without. Their style can differ completely from week to week. But bear in mind they are Man Utd, and they have a manager who has been knighted.

      Martinez has bought players who are used to the passing game. Whether they are good enough is another question, but they are passers, and the non-passers are leaving or have already gone. (Figueroa, Thomas and dare I say it, Rodallega are the weak links at present)

      I’ve mentioned this before, but some time ago on holiday I met a footballer who’d played under Ian Dowie and said what a fantastic manager he was in lower leagues, as the players there listened to him, and if you stuck to his game-plan, more often than that not you’d do well. When he went to the Premier League clubs, players were full of their own self-importance and thought they knew best, hence why he has never really succeeded at a higher level.

      Paul Ince on Talk Sport recently confirmed as much himself. He was constantly worried about upsetting players at Blackburn, and was never the same manager he was at Macclesfield and MK.

      Martinez is probably falling foul of the same. Although he did well with his style of play at a lower level, he is finding it more difficult at this level, perhaps due to the more high profile players he is working with, and because the opposition he encounters are infinitely better. He won’t change his style of play, as he probably believes that this style of play will come good as it has done in the past, however, it is looking increasingly likely that he may run out of time in the Premier League before that happens.

      I still support what he is trying to do at the club, however, I will admit that LMB’s (etc) grey clouds are a lot closer to my usually sunny outlook than they have been over the past twelve months.

      #46945
      dodialan topham
      Player

        Standishwalker! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

        How long winded and boring was your last post or what!!

        I bet you have lots of friends who like to listen to you dont you, keep it short hey fella :roll: !!!!!

        #46948
        mighty_affStu L
        Player

          I bet you have lots of friends who like to listen to you dont you, keep it short hey fella :roll: !!!!![/quote]

          Might have been long winded, but at least it made a lot more sense than some of your recent literary masterpieces.

          #46951
          Standishwalker! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

          How long winded and boring was your last post or what!!

          I bet you have lots of friends who like to listen to you dont you, keep it short hey fella :roll: !!!!!

          Dodi, if it’s too long for you, simple solution – don’t read it.

          I come on here to voice an opinion, not to win friends or win ‘most popular poster’ awards.

          If you don’t like what I’ve written, don’t read it, and move on.

          #46952
          landgatebluelandgateblue
          Player

            Standishwalker! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

            How long winded and boring was your last post or what!!

            I bet you have lots of friends who like to listen to you dont you, keep it short hey fella :roll: !!!!!

            Dodi, if it’s too long for you, simple solution – don’t read it.

            I come on here to voice an opinion, not to win friends or win ‘most popular poster’ awards.

            If you don’t like what I’ve written, don’t read it, and move on.[/quote]

            That was a great post standish, and for me it was 100% correct!

            #46954

            I can take getting beat 2-0 at home by a team that’s spent the best part of £300mill over the last 2 seasons & I can accept not really getting a sniff against that team & even the sloppy mistakes that cost us the goals (we all make mistakes)
            but what I find increasingly baffling & frustrating is the conduct of our manager during the games.
            For a start there’s his substiutions – if your team is 2-0 down with 20 minutes to go & hasn’t really looked like creating anything or scoring for those previous 70 minutes & you want to try & salvage something from the game I would expect to see attacking changes made yet what we got was 1 winger & 1 central midfielder brought on
            There’s also then the old chestnut of his formation – if he thinks 4-5-1 is the way to start out all his games then fine but as above if after 70 minutes that has left you 2-0 down & nto looking like you’d score if you played that way till Xmas I’d expect to see any manager worth their salt change things around a bit. I wouldn’t expect to see them make like for like changes with players who, in effect, he didn’t think were good enough to start the game but who he now expects to be able to turn it on its head & persist with exactly the same formation & tactics that haven’t worked for the previous 70 minutes

            Every time I see a chink of light that Bobby may well be slowly gettign things right, in the next game he does something that shows he’s learnt nothing from a hell of alot of the mistakes he’s made in the last 14 months

            #46958
            dodialan topham
            Player

              Once upon a time there was three bears,

              Daddy Bear, Mummy Bear and baby Bear, they all lived in a nice house in the woods near the Wheel at Worsley Mesnes.

              One day mummy bear made some nice porridge and said to the family come on you idle halfwits lets get down pub because that porridge is too blinken hot.

              So they went to watch Latics and they could not decide why the team was not playing 442.

              They had played this system before now this new manager had come along and changed it his way, how dare he and he is a foreigner.

              Anyway the team got a draw and the crowd booed along with the angry Bear family.

              The Bear family suggest that the team should be playing 442 and have two strikers up front.

              when the Bear family got home they discovered some low life drug infested person who was on bail had broken into there Council Bear den and stolen the plasma.

              The End ( now is this not more interesting)
              Ps Landgate stop creeping.

              #46972
              landgatebluelandgateblue
              Player

                sorry john :lol: :lol: :lol:

                #46978
                PiemonPiemon
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                  We didn’t play very well against a team with an excellent defence and a lethal finisher.

                  We’ll be better tomorrow and on Saturday.

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