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We are talking about our record signing here !! He was shipped off to Italy on loan for whatever reason and now we hear he is being shipped off back home on loan !! If anyone thinks that is normal behaviour for a club that broke its transfer record to buy him then there is something amiss somewhere !! Get him sold and put it down to a mistake and have done with it ! I bet his old club are laughing their fcukin heads off gettin him back for nothing because they wont be paying his wages, well not all of them ! RM was told that this guy wouldn’t fit into his chosen style/formation but he persisted with the purchase and I cant actually believe that DW has let this farce continue !! :angry-banghead:
In that case taggart should have been sacked for paying 27m for Veron and all the other sh ite he has signed.
What was the fekin goalies name? The italian one, not bosnich. God help martinez if we had paid for him.Had 3 big bream and two barbel tonight from the Ribble., fished 7-10.30pm.
Bobby boobed big time with this signing – he knows it & we know it
However he isn’t the first manager to spend big money on a dud & he won’t be the last, although he isn’t helped in this particular case by the disagreement that ensued with Benson over him. nor does he help himself with the “he still may come good for latics” quotes that he keeps comign out with – like I said it hasn’t worked out, chalk it down to experience & move on
Just one other point though, it is actually wrong of Bobby to say “he’s scored goals wherever he’s been & you don’t become a bad player overnight” – his career stats show that he hasn’t really scored goals wherever he’s been (not many of them anyway). somet like 5 goals in 35 games in the Spanish 2nd division one season & a similar return (if not less) at Boca Juniors. He had a half decent return for Estudiantes one season (10 in 25ish) & a really good season before Latics swooped.
As is often said on here – don’t let the facts get in the way of a good argument!!!! ;)Never ceases to amaze me how little some people know about how football works.So griff are you condoning spending in excess of £6 million and then sending him off on loan ? What happened to all this talk ?? http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, … 93,00.html
Now he is back where he started and we are £6million plus dabs lighter ! I think knowing more about accountancy might come in more use than knowing about football Griff !! He was a mistake and RM needs to own up and say ” I messed up ” While we are on the subject Griff the same remark might be said for a certain Mr Gomez who contrary to some peoples beliefs, really is not up to playing in the Prem !!
Have you not seen Bobby’s questions and answers session from a few days back, he says we have not lost anything with Bosselli due to the good loan deal arrangements.
Now whatever anyone thinks of Whelan and is comments etc. Bobby does not give me the impression that he is a bulsh-itter.
Bobby bought Bosselli, basically cos he had him watched and he looked a natural goal scorer playing in a demanding league and UP TO NOW its not paid off. No need to hang both manager and player out to dry, these things happen in football and can easily be turned around.
As I’ve said in another thread look at BW, struggling even to make a pass, goes out on loan to West Brom and comes back to be one of our best players last season. Were you one of the supporters who said fek him off?? :roll:
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What a journey!Martinez is hardly likely to admit he’s made a big mistake and the player is not good enough publically is he?
To the people he works with, or to his mates, then yes, he might admit it.
By publically come out and saying the player needs to be sold is a sure fire way of ensuring any bids you receive for him are lower, and should the player not attract any bids, it’s hardly going to boost his morale.
Have you not seen Bobby’s questions and answers session from a few days back, he says we have not lost anything with Bosselli due to the good loan deal arrangements.Now whatever anyone thinks of Whelan and is comments etc. Bobby does not give me the impression that he is a bulsh-itter.
Bobby bought Bosselli, basically cos he had him watched and he looked a natural goal scorer playing in a demanding league and UP TO NOW its not paid off. No need to hang both manager and player out to dry, these things happen in football and can easily be turned around.
As I’ve said in another thread look at BW, struggling even to make a pass, goes out on loan to West Brom and comes back to be one of our best players last season. Were you one of the supporters who said fek him off?? :roll:
Is there a club out there that we can send him to in order to improve his dead ball skills, which are pretty much non existent !! And yes I was/still am one of those fans ! I dont really rate him ! I say really now because he did improve over the last few games but on the whole he isnt that good is he ! How much would you value you him at ? I would say realistically around the £2million mark MAX !
Have you not seen Bobby’s questions and answers session from a few days back … Now whatever anyone thinks of Whelan and is comments etc. Bobby does not give me the impression that he is a bulsh-itter.I take everything Bobby says publicly with a huge pinch of salt particularly in these Q&A sessions with the fans
Quite alot of what he comes out with in them is bull & contradicts what he’s said previously. he has genuine reasons for doing so which have been pointed out to me previously on here & I can see the point in that but talk bull he definitley does
Away from the Q&A sessions does the recent “N’Zogbia isn’t coming to Austria not coz a deal is being struck but coz he needs the rest” ring any bells??? It was obviously bull as soon as it came out of his mouth & it was proved to be just days later – he had his reasons but it was bull nonethelessI agree with Standish it that its unrealistic to expect him to say that Boselli isn’t good enough especially when you consider he’s trying to get as much as possible back for him as the club forked out. Although that in turn quite clearly makes out anything he says about him needing to adapt etc.. as bull – I mean what better way is there for someone to adapt to the English game than sending them on loan to Italy & Argentina????
So have Latics not lost any money on Boselli to date?? Alot would depend on how the £6.5mill deal with Estudiantes was structured but i would be amazed if the 2 loan fees from Genoa & Estudiantes match what has been forked out by Latics & will Estudiantes be paying all of Boselli’s increased wages too??
away from the Q&A sessions does the recent “N’Zogbia isn’t coming to Austria not coz a deal is being struck but coz he needs the rest” ring any bells??? It was obviously bull as soon as it came out of his mouth & it was proved to be just days later – he had his reasons but it was bull nonetheless
Sorry pal but it was Whelan who said that not Martinez so it rings tons er fekin bells. :roll:
As for taking anything Bobby says with a pinch of salt well no I fekin well won’t. He’s the manager of my beloved football club and yours I presume, he speaks from the heart and other football club managers need to take a leaf out of his book. There’s a little word in the English language called “BELIEVE”, and being a manager most of my life I try to make the people who work for me believe in what I’m trying to make them do. If I achieve that, we all go away happy in what we have achieved as a team. If they don’t believe in what I am telling them then I ask them to move on, it’s best for all parties. I realise you have to involve people in the decision making process, but the final call his with the person who knows best. In football terms at Wigan Athletic I believe that is Bobby.
You and every supporter also have the choice, either believe or bugger orf! :teasing-lurk:As for the Bosselli saga again, do you think that Genoa and Estudiantes have a wage structure like ours?? I bet their tea ladies are on more than Zog was on. Therefore nearly a season with Genoa and a full one with Estudiantes will probably, as Bobby indicates, will more than cover his wages.
He’s still our asset [in terms of ownership], therefore his signing on fee is not lost yet. Who knows he may have a good season with Estudiantes and either come back and do the business with us making the £6m look a snip, or we sell him back at a profit.
Whatever the outcome I for one won’t slag Bobby off for it or ridicule the player. :angry-soapbox:From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!There’s a little word in the English language called “BELIEVE”, and being a manager most of my life I try to make the people who work for me believe in what I’m trying to make them do. If I achieve that, we all go away happy in what we have achieved as a team. If they don’t believe in what I am telling them then I ask them to move on, it’s best for all parties.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Why do people pad out stuff to convince themselves they are the most worldly-wise person in the football world? He was bought to score goals, he hasn’t therefore is classed as a dud, bottom-line.
Sorry pal but it was Whelan who said that not Martinez so it rings tons er fekin bells. :roll:As for taking anything Bobby says with a pinch of salt well no I fekin well won’t. He’s the manager of my beloved football club and yours I presume, he speaks from the heart and other football club managers need to take a leaf out of his book. There’s a little word in the English language called “BELIEVE”, and being a manager most of my life I try to make the people who work for me believe in what I’m trying to make them do. If I achieve that, we all go away happy in what we have achieved as a team. If they don’t believe in what I am telling them then I ask them to move on, it’s best for all parties. I realise you have to involve people in the decision making process, but the final call his with the person who knows best. In football terms at Wigan Athletic I believe that is Bobby.
You and every supporter also have the choice, either believe or bugger orf! :teasing-lurk:As for the Bosselli saga again, do you think that Genoa and Estudiantes have a wage structure like ours?? I bet their tea ladies are on more than Zog was on. Therefore nearly a season with Genoa and a full one with Estudiantes will probably, as Bobby indicates, will more than cover his wages.
He’s still our asset [in terms of ownership], therefore his signing on fee is not lost yet. Who knows he may have a good season with Estudiantes and either come back and do the business with us making the £6m look a snip, or we sell him back at a profit.
Whatever the outcome I for one won’t slag Bobby off for it or ridicule the player. :angry-soapbox:I was certain the quote I’d read regarding N’Zogbia needing rest had come from bobby but the only one I can find online is from Whelan & seems to be the quote I remember so I stand corrected :doh: :doh: :doh:
That said, I find the “BELIEVE” part of your post laughable to be honest – & by the way I can read & understand the word believe without it being put in capital letters!!
There’s one thing believing that Bobby or any manager is the right person for the job & he certainly proved myself & plenty of others wrong last season. But blindly believing every word that comes out of his mouth purely because “he says so” is to be frank bizarre & the stuff of sheeplike following.
Even the most dedicated of light siders can acknowledge that Bobby stretches the truth with many of his comments. For instance when talking about Boselli, Gomez, Scotland or others but point out that he is hardly gonna stand there in public & admit to making mistakes to protect his own image & to maintain the morale of the players concerned. Nevertheless even the most dedicated Bobby supporter has to acknowledge that it is bull, for whatever reasons, & to claim it isn’t is just plain wrong. which was my initial point – however badly I illustrated it! With regards to the loan agreements with Genoa & Estudiantes.
For starters do you really think that Boselli would have uprooted himself & his family from Argentina if he wasn’t getting one hell of a pay rise???? So I doubt very much that their tea lady is on more than N’Zogbia was on.
In fact the salary structure of both clubs is irrelevant to how much money latcis receive if i understand loan deals correctly. If the club who are receiving the player on loan pay less then the club who hold the players registration pay the excess (& I would imagine thi sis the case with estudiantes). If the club who are receiving the player on loan pay more then the player receives it & the club who hold the players registration have just cleared someone’s salary from their books for a set amount of time
The only thing a club receives for loaning a player is a loan fee. I don’t know what these loan fees have been (although they are normally relatively small amounts in comparison to the players alleged worth) but just coz Bobby says they haven’t lost anything doesn’t mean they haven’t. To use an example of other lightsiders he’s hardly going to stand there in a Q&A session & say “Yep its cost us a fortune to bring him here & then ship him out” in order not to protect his own imageIf he comes back a great player & does the business for us then Bobby will be hailed as a genius & rightly so. If he comes back & is a dud again or never comes back, whilst not vilifying him (all managers make mistakes) then he deserves some criticism especially in light of the circumstances surrounding his signing
Why do people pad out stuff to convince themselves they are the most worldly-wise person in the football world? He was bought to score goals, he hasn’t therefore is classed as a dud, bottom-line.I’m not trying to pad anything out or attempting to convince me you or anyone about Bosselli.
Just seriously ask yourself though, has he been given a fair crack of the whip? What was it 8 games he played some as sub??.Lets move on to summut else FFS!! :roll:
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