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Why do people pad out stuff to convince themselves they are the most worldly-wise person in the football world? He was bought to score goals, he hasn’t therefore is classed as a dud, bottom-line.
I’m not trying to pad anything out or attempting to convince me you or anyone about Bosselli.
Just seriously ask yourself though, has he been given a fair crack of the whip? What was it 8 games he played some as sub??.
Lets move on to summut else FFS!! :roll: [/quote]
so after spending the last 3 days defending bosselli – claiming drogba was as bad as him when he first arrived at chelsea you now claim he wasn’t given a fair crack of the whip !!!
let me ask you this – who didnt give him a fair crack of this imaginary whip ?
me ?,
the darkside ?,
all wigan fans ?,
or are you actually saying the man who does no wrong in your eyes, the man who shipped him out TWICE, the man who signed him despite being advised not to is the one who “didnt give him a fair crack of the whip ?”no wonder you want to move on.
ps, before you start having a dig about my anti martinez stance, let me tell you he has gone up in my estimation no end, over this whole bosselli affair, he has realised he was wrong and had the balls to rectify the situation which to my mind shows he doent shy away from tough calls, i just wish he would do the same with gomez.
ps, before you start having a dig about my anti martinez stance, let me tell you he has gone up in my estimation no end, over this whole bosselli affair, he has realised he was wrong and had the balls to rectify the situation which to my mind shows he doent shy away from tough calls, i just wish he would do the same with gomez.Gomez actually had a good game at the weekend. Still the best passer and most technically correct player in the club, imo. :shock:
But that’s not my point. You and Tyldesley, amonst others, do make it sound as though Bobby is the first manager ever to spend a lot of money on someone that didn’t work out. And you’re determined to hang him for it.
As someone else pointed out, I don’t recall SAF coming clean on Veron and publically saying “Well, what a bolok I dropped there, eh?”.
Why do people pad out stuff to convince themselves they are the most worldly-wise person in the football world? He was bought to score goals, he hasn’t therefore is classed as a dud, bottom-line.
I’m not trying to pad anything out or attempting to convince me you or anyone about Bosselli.
Just seriously ask yourself though, has he been given a fair crack of the whip? What was it 8 games he played some as sub??.Lets move on to summut else FFS!! :roll: [/quote]
I’m sure after two weeks working on patterns of play and team shape Roberto will have seen it was going to be a massive work in progress or a huge failure on his part to have purchased Boselli. What he served up in his 8 games doesn’t just appear on game day. When ‘due-diligence’ is done on players (as we are constantly told) it seems Benson’s advice was correct in the end.
But that’s not my point. You and Tyldesley, amonst others, do make it sound as though Bobby is the first manager ever to spend a lot of money on someone that didn’t work out. And you’re determined to hang him for it.As someone else pointed out, I don’t recall SAF coming clean on Veron and publically saying “Well, what a bolok I dropped there, eh?”.
Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good argument Griff. :angry-boxing: ;)
I’ve mentioned several times in this thread that Roberto Martinez isn’t the first manager to sign a dud & he won’t be the last so quite how that is making out that Bobby is the first manager to spend alot of money on a player that didn’t work out is beyond meSome people are very defensive of Martinez no doubt coz he’s taken a hell of alot of flak over the last couple of years (some justified & some ultimately not) but just as some are quick to jump on his back when he does make mistakes some are just as quick to seemingly deny that the man is capable of making mistakes
Its a bit chicken & the egg but whilst you get people stating that he may still turn out a good un, or he just needs to settle or he hasn’t been given a fair crack of the whip (ironically by the very manager they defend) then you’re gonna get people saying, “nope sorry he signed a dud”. Like I said he won’t be the first manager to do it & he won’t be the last but if some on the darkside need to accept that he can do right, by teh same token some on the darkside need to accept that he gets it wrong too
Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good argument Griff. :angry-boxing: ;)
And don’t go accusing me of actually reading what you write before I slag you off. ;)You’re right, it was more LMB than you on that particular subject ;)
Its a bit chicken & the egg but whilst you get people stating that he may still turn out a good un, or he just needs to settle or he hasn’t been given a fair crack of the whip (ironically by the very manager they defend) then you’re gonna get people saying, “nope sorry he signed a dud”. Like I said he won’t be the first manager to do it & he won’t be the last but if some on the darkside need to accept that he can do right, by teh same token some on the darkside need to accept that he gets it wrong too
I think there’s only JR who is defending this one to the hilt, to be fair. But as we all agree that managers make mistakes like this all the time, why are some so adamant in not letting Bobby forget this one?Unless they are just looking for an excuse to criticize?
But that’s not my point.You and Tyldesley, amonst Others, do make it sound as though Bobby is the first manager ever to spend a lot of money on someone That did not work out. And you’re Determined to hang him for it.i came into this debate because someone made an unfounded comparison between drogba and bosselli, yet again another unfounded statement has been made, this time by you – but again i will say why let facts get in the way of your opinion .
all managers make mistakes in signing players – in fact i would go as far as saying martinez has not been as bad in this area as both bruce and jewell, who both signed many more mingers than martinez has done.
i actually think bosselli has a little more to him than what we all saw and i thought he just needed a little luck and still think he could do a job, but thats again opinion and what the hell do i know, it is also my opinion that gomez has never and will never prove his worth despite how technically gifted he looks, and i cant understand martinez’s stance on still keeping him,but i accept that he knows more about it than i ever will.
my only issues with martinez is from what i see – the dull boring stuff we have endured for 80% of his time with us, the lack of any cutting edge or a killer pass, the comical defending he presides over and his seeming inability to do something about that, i have no problems whatsoever with his signings good or bad.
on here.
You’re right, it was more LMB than you on that particular subject ;)like i said in my reply why let your opinions get in the way of facts, but then again if i claimed it was tuesday today i would need a tin hat on awaiting the incoming flack off some on here.
first of all on sunday we only played a first division side and not barca
secondly i am concerned we have as yet not addressed last seasons problems
with the sale of zogs and players released we are weaker than last year
just waiting for bobs exscuse for the 9m he was or supposed to be given.i did not need to spend whelans money im happy with the squad
hope im wrong but im usually rightmy only issues with martinez is from what i see – the dull boring stuff we have endured for 80% of his time with us, the lack of any cutting edge or a killer pass, the comical defending he presides over and his seeming inability to do something about that, i have no problems whatsoever with his signings good or bad.Just your opinion, and nothing to do with the thread.
my only issues with martinez is from what i see – the dull boring stuff we have endured for 80% of his time with us, the lack of any cutting edge or a killer pass, the comical defending he presides over and his seeming inability to do something about that, i have no problems whatsoever with his signings good or bad.
Just your opinion, and nothing to do with the thread.[/quote]
yes it is my opinion non of it based on fact, but it was a response to another of your many unfounded accusations.
let me remind you
But that’s not my point. You and Tyldesley, amonst others, do make it sound as though Bobby is the first manager ever to spend a lot of money on someone that didn’t work out. And you’re determined to hang him for it..as i said i will “hang” martinez for what i see not who he has signed.
Give the guy a chance FFS the Zog deal only went through a couple of days ago! :roll:
As for not improved since last season only time will tell. The last 10 games or so saw a vast improvement to the team, that blew LMB and a few others hopes / wishes / dreams whatever they were of relegation out the water.
There are Zog replacements out there and hopefully bobby will find them. So chill out please and let the season unfold. :angry-chillpill:
From Matlock to ManU
What a journey!I think there’s only JR who is defending this one to the hilt, to be fair. But as we all agree that managers make mistakes like this all the time, why are some so adamant in not letting Bobby forget this one?Unless they are just looking for an excuse to criticize?
My own personal feelings here are that I would think more of Martinez if he just said “it hasn’t worked out for whatever reasons. time to move on”.
I do accept that its unrealistic to some extent of me to expect that & there are few if any managers about who do that but Bobby’s spin & untruths do grate on me now to the extent where if he told me it was raining I’d go outside to check
I like to think I only comment on Boselli if someone else first posts that “he may come good”, “Bobby says you don’t become a bad player overnight”, “he hasn’t been given a fair crack of the whip” – if I disagree with someone or someone says somet that I don’t think is true then I’ll comment.
Again its chicken & the egg but it is also Bobby who keeps bringing up that he may come good etc… so its only fair to expect people to comment
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