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  • #193804
    BullittBullitt
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      Why the hell is Pollard running off crying to the Council about the rent increase, doesn’t the leaching get realise the lodgers have had a good run and now finally its pay the going rate time?

      From what i can gather the squatters have only been paying a third of the going rate, so doubling their rent isn’t too much to ask, Pollard will be on to his mate Nandy next if he hasn’t already!

      just for the record other RL clubs are paying around 900k a year to use the football stadiums, Worriers pay around 300k a year, the gravy train stops here.

      Fuck the EFL

      #193805
      The EggThe Egg
      Chairman

        I have no issue with a rent increase but it depends what we get back in return. If the rent doubles and the rugby can keep beer sales then fine.

        #193811
        horchorc
        Manager

          I have no issue with a rent increase but it depends what we get back in return. If the rent doubles and the rugby can keep beer sales then fine.

          Adam, you get to play your games in a Premier League standard football ground at the going rate and that should be enough.
          You pay your rent, play your matches and bugger off, why should you get anything back in return? What do you think you will get from the Horwich Wanderers if you go there? Do you not think you have been subsidised enough over the years, you are a business not a bleedin’ charity.
          That has been the problem for 20+ years, the rugby club have and still do expect everything for next to nothing instead of standing on their own two feet. For fecks sake the Council gave you a £6M Stadium next door, where was our £6M last year when we were nearly going out of business?
          I sincerely hope Talal stands firm, and this threat of a massive rise in rent is just a ploy to force the rugby club to bugger off to Horwich or Leigh. To be fair, if he gets his £900K a season then all well and good, but if the rugby club run off to their spiritual home of Horwich, do you really think he or WAFC will miss £241,000 per year.
          Sorry to be aggressive about all this, but the rugby owner has taken everything back 30 years with his antics, his words and actions are far worse than anything ML came out with, please take off your blinkers if you believe he had any consideration for the welfare of WAFC in this sorry tale.

          #193813
          BullittBullitt
          Player

            I have no issue with a rent increase but it depends what we get back in return. If the rent doubles and the rugby can keep beer sales then fine.

            Adam, you get to play your games in a Premier League standard football ground at the going rate and that should be enough.
            You pay your rent, play your matches and bugger off, why should you get anything back in return? What do you think you will get from the Horwich Wanderers if you go there? Do you not think you have been subsidised enough over the years, you are a business not a bleedin’ charity.
            That has been the problem for 20+ years, the rugby club have and still do expect everything for next to nothing instead of standing on their own two feet. For fecks sake the Council gave you a £6M Stadium next door, where was our £6M last year when we were nearly going out of business?
            I sincerely hope Talal stands firm, and this threat of a massive rise in rent is just a ploy to force the rugby club to bugger off to Horwich or Leigh. To be fair, if he gets his £900K a season then all well and good, but if the rugby club run off to their spiritual home of Horwich, do you really think he or WAFC will miss £241,000 per year.
            Sorry to be aggressive about all this, but the rugby owner has taken everything back 30 years with his antics, his words and actions are far worse than anything ML came out with, please take off your blinkers if you believe he had any consideration for the welfare of WAFC in this sorry tale.

            No need to apologise for speaking the truth, you absolutely nailed it there, spot on! :good:

            Fuck the EFL

            #193814
            The EggThe Egg
            Chairman

              I agree on paying the going rate, but the club should be entitled to some of the profits in the same way a salesman gets commission.

              For me….it’s easy.

              How much does a rugby match cost to play? Electriciry, gas, staff etc etc. That is the cost of the rent plus say 10% of gate to go towards maintenance. Wigan have no offices there, no daily footprint etc so should literally pay for 14 days use.

              It will be solved it’s whether or not it’s amicable and WRL will not be moving out.

              As for running to the council, they are effectively the letting agent. If you rent a house and feel your landlord is being unfair then they get involved.

              As I’ve said before I won’t convince anyone on IL or the council but both were involved in trying to save the club, neither wanted to own it outright though.

              #193815
              PhoenixPhoenix
              Player

                This is where it does not make sense Egg. You say both were involved in trying to save the club but neither wanted to own it outright. If they then purchase the stadium on its own it would mean the club is virtually unsellable so in effect they were not interested in trying to save the club.

                #193816
                horchorc
                Manager

                  I agree on paying the going rate, but the club should be entitled to some of the profits in the same way a salesman gets commission.

                  For me….it’s easy.

                  Your profits come from the fact that such a fantastic facility can allow you to attract upto 25,000 people 14 times a season.
                  That’s a possible £8.75M at £25 a ticket, and that’s before any programmes sales, souvenirs etc or Cup matches and any end of season farces that you compete in.
                  The fact that in reality you are only averaging about 6,000 paying fans is of no concern to the landlord. A £600 per month rent or mortgage with a landlord or Building Society would still be £600 a month if someones income was £250 a week or £1000 a week.
                  Why you should have any profits on pies and beer etc, is franly clutching at straws and ridiculous.

                  #193817
                  442442
                  Player

                    I presume egg will know more than most what actually went on with his WASC commitments but this doesn’t sound like someone who wanted the club to die

                    We also worked very hard to try to do something jointly to take over Wigan Athletic but Wigan Warriors and Lenagan’s don’t want to own a football club. That is not what we want to do. And neither do any of the other two people that I’ve mentioned earlier – Mike Danson and Darryl Eales. So, our view is simple. Wigan Athletic is better owned by a separate entity and we should share the stadium and co-operate together. We actually went to the point of offering to buy the stadium and the training ground in order to make the training ground available free of charge to Wigan Athletic, and to have rental the normal way, as we have had for so many years. And we nearly got there. But in the end, the administrator was just a pain, and it never came through. 

                    #193818
                    442442
                    Player

                      I agree on paying the going rate, but the club should be entitled to some of the profits in the same way a salesman gets commission.

                      For me….it’s easy.

                      Your profits come from the fact that such a fantastic facility can allow you to attract upto 25,000 people 14 times a season.
                      That’s a possible £8.75M at £25 a ticket, and that’s before any programmes sales, souvenirs etc or Cup matches and any end of season farces that you compete in.
                      The fact that in reality you are only averaging about 6,000 paying fans is of no concern to the landlord. A £600 per month rent or mortgage with a landlord or Building Society would still be £600 a month if someones income was £250 a week or £1000 a week.
                      Why you should have any profits on pies and beer etc, is franly clutching at straws and ridiculous.

                      A good point horc, but would your landlord take 600 quid rent and then take another few quid from money you earned yourself?

                      Personally, I’m glad we still own the stadium. I trust he had good intentions but it’s a huge revenue stream if used right and I’d rather that’s coming to us than anyone else.

                      #193819
                      horchorc
                      Manager

                        A good point horc, but would your landlord take 600 quid rent and then take another few quid from money you earned yourself?

                        No-one is saying that, from what I know, the old rental agreement was a percentage of their matchday takings and the new one is a set amount that will most likely rise with inflation each year.
                        All they have to to do is attract a few more eggs to our ground on their matchdays and its sorted.
                        P.S. I wonder whether WMBC get a profit share on beer and pie sales from the former public owned Stadium next door, they could be passed on to Council Tax payers as rebates.

                        #193820

                        I presume egg will know more than most what actually went on with his WASC commitments but this doesn’t sound like someone who wanted the club to die

                        It doesnt suit Bullitt’s agenda, and those who think IL is somehow to blame for Whelan flogging the club to a bunch of money laundering gamblers after 18 months of finding the right buyer for the club. They prefer to blame Lenegan for not buying the club when the bloke who started the ball rolling was nowhere to be seen, and his only involvement was offering to poke his nose into the books, but wasnt even interested enough to put up a paltry £1m towards a 33% share of the club as part of a consortium of local businessmen.

                        Sorry fellas, but Lenegan isnt the bad guy here. He didnt pay over the odds for duds, then offer stupid contracts whilst only 6000 supporters bought a £250 season ticket. If you need a figure to blame, go shout at the bloody statue.

                        #193821
                        PhoenixPhoenix
                        Player

                          No one is saying Leneghen is to blame for past misdemeanours and if he made a genuine attempt to purchase Wigan Athletic ,with a consortium of local business men ,he would have gained the respect of the fans. His big mistake was having realised he could not raise the necessary funds he tried to purchase just the stadium which whether he likes it or not would have almost certainly signalled the end for Wigan Athletic. I am just thankful the admin realised the importance of it and refused to budge.

                          #193822

                          No one is saying Leneghen is to blame for past misdemeanours and if he made a genuine attempt to purchase Wigan Athletic ,with a consortium of local business men ,he would have gained the respect of the fans. His big mistake was having realised he could not raise the necessary funds ******** he tried to purchase just the stadium which whether he likes it or not would have almost certainly signalled the end for Wigan Athletic. I am just thankful the admin realised the importance of it and refused to budge.

                          **** – insert “and also realised no other local businessman or former owner was prepared to join a consortium”

                          As much as you hate IL, remember at least he tried to get a consortium going. What did the Whelan family do?

                          #193824
                          PhoenixPhoenix
                          Player

                            Respect to Leneghen for trying to organise a consortium but he should have left it at that.Splitting the assets of Wigan Athletic was a crazy idea and there were absolutely no advantages for Latics in doing so it was only beneficial to Wigan Warriors ,we would never have been sold. I am sorry ,I don’t hate the bloke but he was wrong , I do agree that the Whelan family did next to nothing in our hour of need.

                            #193825
                            bickymonbickymon
                            Player

                              Then you wonder why alot of us left cockney latics ,now run by wurriors fans even a sunderland fan come on jayt get it sorted never know
                              When its been cleaned up some of us might return
                              That leneghan knew what he was doing dont bullshit saying he only wanted to save the football club ,there was a triangle set against the latics
                              Leneghan , council,nandy all wanted one thing the stadium to be owned by laneghan a rugby shrine
                              And they didnt get their way in the end and oh how it pissed off Leneghan council and nandy
                              Now start paying a decent and fair rent in stead of sponging off the latics owners
                              And if you dont like it then there is always boltons stadium im sure you would be welcome there
                              But jayt come on get a grip sort this cockney latics site out get shut of the eggs a sunderland lot destroying this site

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