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    donnys pageDonnys Page
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      Interesting article on News Now regarding Latics business rates. Half a million quid bill this year. What a scandal. So if we owe half a million then the eggs must owe the same. So that’s a million easy quid for the Pilfering gets to squander and waste. Bloody scandalous!!!!

      #143241
      vincehillvinceHill
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        Here we go again Ffs
        Been here before haven’t we ?

        #143242
        donnys pageDonnys Page
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          I know Vince a couple of years ago they loved us when we put Wigan on the world sporting map now the swines are showing their true colours again. Fifty Shades of Red!!!

          #143243
          So if we owe half a million then the eggs must owe the same.

          I doubt it as they dont own the DW. They just have a very long lease to play there.

          Being a landlord aint all its cracked up to be eh? ;)

          #143244
          donnys pageDonnys Page
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            Not really sure how this legalised robbery works Mackem but I think it is based on the businesses that operate from a property and it that case there is Latics and them lot who operate from the DW.

            #143245

            https://www.gov.uk/renting-business-property-tenant-responsibilities

            Landlord is responsible for all aspects of H&S in public areas and the business rates would be covered separately in the T&C of the lease.

            As there appears to be no story about the Warriors kicking off over the cost of business rates, I must assume that the landlord is either fully or mostly responsible for this headline figure.

            Im sure the issue will crop up when the tenancy agreement comes round for renewal in approx. 50 years time. ;-)

            #143256
            thty5yearswafctrevor hoy
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              Being a landlord aint all its cracked up to be eh?

              When a landlord receives an unexpected rise in expenditure then the landlord must up the rent of the establishment if the tenant can’t afford the rise in rent then the tenant may have to look for alternative accommodation :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

              #143257
              blueneonBlueneon
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                Being a landlord aint all its cracked up to be eh?

                When a landlord receives an unexpected rise in expenditure then the landlord must up the rent of the establishment if the tenant can’t afford the rise in rent then the tenant may have to look for alternative accommodation :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

                Take your thugby posts down.get ya egg shape balls and your xxxxxxl klump shirts and set up camp at Laithwaite park.Scroungeing parasites.The Plague comes to mind. :cheer:

                #143261
                donnys pageDonnys Page
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                  But do they pay the same business rates as Latics??

                  #143262
                  blueneonBlueneon
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                    But do they pay the same business rates as Latics??

                    Very good question.Leaches they just like sticking around. :cheer:

                    #143266
                    When a landlord receives an unexpected rise in expenditure then the landlord must up the rent of the establishment if the tenant can’t afford the rise in rent then the tenant may have to look for alternative accommodation :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

                    Sadly not.

                    A landlord can increase the rent if they wish to after the initial fixed period, providing:

                    •The tenancy agreement contains information on the procedure for a rent increase
                    •The landlord gives the tenant the required notice of the intended rent increase
                    •The landlord provides the tenant with written notice that a change will be made to the terms of the tenancy agreement

                    Landlords are unable to increase the rent before the end of the initial fixed period unless this is stated in the tenancy agreement, or both the tenant and landlord agree to the increase in rent.

                    Interesting though that when the 2005-2010 business rates were calculated (based on 2003 income), there wasnt a peep from the Laftics in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 when they received premiership income and paid 3rd division rates.

                    Looks like you are stuck with the rugby and a very large bill. Now pay up or they’ll put a winding up order on you, and you’ll end up like Portsmouth, only without the fan base.

                    #143267
                    thty5yearswafctrevor hoy
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                      Interesting though that when the 2005-2010 business rates were calculated (based on 2003 income), there wasn’t a peep from the Laftics in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 when they received premiership income and paid 3rd division rates.

                      hmmm that was said on wigan today by yourself

                      anyhoo you or me for instance don’t know what is in that tenancy agreement but didn’t Eric Pollard said and I quote ” It is beneficial for WRLFC that Wigan Athletic stay in the Premier League ” I wonder what that meant Mutts

                      #143268
                      donnys pageDonnys Page
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                        So what are Wigan Athletic now, Landlords, Tenants or both. To me we seem to have always been a meal ticket for the council.
                        I understand that busines rates are based on the rateable value of a property payable by a business that operates from a property whether they own it, rent it, lease it etc. Business rates are just a tax on anyone or thing that has any guile or enterprise and you pay it and get nothing for it. SFA. If the eggs do not have the same bill as Latics then something is wrong. That is unless Latics actually are the landlord and the tenants rent is inclusive of their business rates. If that’s the case great we do actually own the ground and Whelan did transfer ownership and any rise in our expenditure should be reflected in the tenants rent.

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                        The EggThe Egg
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                          Interesting though that when the 2005-2010 business rates were calculated (based on 2003 income), there wasn’t a peep from the Laftics in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 when they received premiership income and paid 3rd division rates.

                          hmmm that was said on wigan today by yourself

                          anyhoo you or me for instance don’t know what is in that tenancy agreement but didn’t Eric Pollard said and I quote ” It is beneficial for WRLFC that Wigan Athletic stay in the Premier League ” I wonder what that meant Mutts

                          When we were in the PL our income was higher and we had more money to spend on the upkeep of the ground that WRLFC pay nothing towards.

                          As Latics disposable income lowers, so does the stadium work unless WRLFC foot some of the bill (they did in 2014) which obv means they too have less disposable income.

                          The rent agreement as I remember is that a percentage of the income from home matches is paid to the holding company.

                          From a WRLFC point of view, a few weeks away in a row and the odd game moved elsewhere (2 in 15 years) is nothing compared to getting a new pitch every year, hospitality venues we can flog and the facilities we have for the price we pay.

                          #143272
                          donnys pageDonnys Page
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                            Surely the upkeep and maintenance of the stadium including the pitch is paid for and is the responsibility of the Landlord and paid for out of rents paid. If in initial agreements rent was based on turnover then that is fair enough but business rates are a tax from the local authority and are the resposibility of the businesses that operate from that property so surely WRLFC must pay the same as Latics as they are a business based there. Rigalletoes will have ates to pay to the council as another business. There is no way all the stadium business rates are due to Latics unless they actually do own the stadium and have included the rates in the lease to WRLFC. If that is the case do Latics actually pay rent anymore because it would be strange to have to pay rent to yourself.

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