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  • #61413
    Vat69Vat69
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    I’ve come on here this morning, and oh my god, all the ‘knockers’ are out in force, ‘Martinez this’ and ‘Martinez that’. For god’s sake, give it a rest and look at the overall picture of our club, and it’s financial situation.

    Last weeks financial revelations, reveal that we are a club living above it’s means. Our outgoings totally outweigh our incomings. Frankly, we cannot continue much longer as a ‘going concern’, unless things drastically change.

    For this to happen, we need to cut our operating costs. Basically, the wage bill needs cutting. As a club with our support and income, we can’t afford to pay these 30 grand a week wages. We have a large debt of the loan borrowed from Barclays, which Mr Whelan has secured until next year. But after that, who knows what might happen?

    The long and short of it is, we will be better off going down a level, getting the parachute payments, selling off a few of our ‘better’ players for millions, and at the same time cutting the wage bill drastically. Ok, we’ll have to still replace those players. But at Championship level, we’ll be able to do that with £500.000 signings on lower wages. We’ll be far better doing that, than staying up for another season of battling relegation, and further debt building.

    The novelty of the Premiership has well and truly gone now, and I don’t know about anybody else, but I’d much sooner us HAVE a club playing at a lower level, rather than us battle on in the top flight for another season or so, and end up going bust, ending up with us not having a team at all.

    It’s the bigger picture, and like it or not, that’s the situation. Perhaps Martinez isn’t doing such a bad job, eh?

    #61416
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    So we may as well pack up our bags now, The reason we are in this position is that we dont score enough goals and that we concede goals like they are going out of fashion, and that is down to a certain person, and for us being better off going down, well i would love to hear mr whelans response to that one, your post just shows how much you love martinez no matter what he as done to the club as a manger, ps if you were to ask all the championship clubs were they would like to be, i would guess they would all say the prem, but eh not you, you want us down :clap:

    #61418
    Vat69Vat69
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    So we may as well pack up our bags now, The reason we are in this position is that we dont score enough goals and that we concede goals like they are going out of fashion, and that is down to a certain person, and for us being better off going down, well i would love to hear mr whelans response to that one, your post just shows how much you love martinez no matter what he as done to the club as a manger, ps if you were to ask all the championship clubs were they would like to be, i would guess they would all say the prem, but eh not you, you want us down :clap:

    No, I want us to still have a club to support, be that in 2013, 2025, 2037, or whatever.

    I don’t care what level we are playing at, as long as we are still in business. And we cannot continue to operate at this level.

    I cannot believe that any genuine Wigan Athletic supporter will be selfish enough put the price of Premiership football above the overall value of us surviving as a club.

    Can you not comprehend the position we are in? As things stand, the debt is secured until 2012. So we have a year to rectify things.

    #61421
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    So we may as well pack up our bags now, The reason we are in this position is that we dont score enough goals and that we concede goals like they are going out of fashion, and that is down to a certain person, and for us being better off going down, well i would love to hear mr whelans response to that one, your post just shows how much you love martinez no matter what he as done to the club as a manger, ps if you were to ask all the championship clubs were they would like to be, i would guess they would all say the prem, but eh not you, you want us down :clap:

    No, I want us to still have a club to support, be that in 2013, 2025, 2037, or whatever.

    I don’t care what level we are playing at, as long as we are still in business. And we cannot continue to operate at this level.

    I cannot believe that any genuine Wigan Athletic supporter will be selfish enough put the price of Premiership football above the overall value of us surviving as a club.

    Can you not comprehend the position we are in? As things stand, the debt is secured until 2012. So we have a year to rectify things.[/quote]
    we will still have our debt if we go down if not more, so we may as well get another fifty mill yes fifty mill, which is 34 mill more if we go down, not including the sale of nzogbia at 10 mill, so that would 44mill, so you want us to go down makes a load of sense,

    #61426
    Hindley blueHindley blue
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    Vat how much has Bob spent in his two years as Wigan manager????? Upwards of £20m. Not sure any of our other managers have had so much financial backing without having to sell first. And Bosselli was our top earner so how is he reducing the wage bill.

    Vat which ever way you try and dress it up he has been an absolute disaster.

    #61427
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    Vat how much has Bob spent in his two years as Wigan manager????? Upwards of £20m. Not sure any of our other managers have had so much financial backing without having to sell first. And Bosselli was our top earner so how is he reducing the wage bill.

    Vat which ever way you try and dress it up he has been an absolute disaster.

    :clap:

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    Vat how much has Bob spent in his two years as Wigan manager????? Upwards of £20m. Not sure any of our other managers have had so much financial backing without having to sell first. And Bosselli was our top earner so how is he reducing the wage bill.

    Vat which ever way you try and dress it up he has been an absolute disaster.

    Steve Bruce springs to mind

    #61431
    Hindley blueHindley blue
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    Vat how much has Bob spent in his two years as Wigan manager????? Upwards of £20m. Not sure any of our other managers have had so much financial backing without having to sell first. And Bosselli was our top earner so how is he reducing the wage bill.

    Vat which ever way you try and dress it up he has been an absolute disaster.

    Steve Bruce springs to mind[/quote]

    But Steve Bruce bought some belters Titus, Cattermole, Heskey, N’Zogbia, Palacios, Kirkland, Rodellega, Figs all played and some do still play for us. How much quality has Bob signed McCarthy, Moses may be McArthur and at that I’m struggling.

    #61432
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    So we may as well pack up our bags now, The reason we are in this position is that we dont score enough goals and that we concede goals like they are going out of fashion, and that is down to a certain person, and for us being better off going down, well i would love to hear mr whelans response to that one, your post just shows how much you love martinez no matter what he as done to the club as a manger, ps if you were to ask all the championship clubs were they would like to be, i would guess they would all say the prem, but eh not you, you want us down :clap:

    No, I want us to still have a club to support, be that in 2013, 2025, 2037, or whatever.

    I don’t care what level we are playing at, as long as we are still in business. And we cannot continue to operate at this level.

    I cannot believe that any genuine Wigan Athletic supporter will be selfish enough put the price of Premiership football above the overall value of us surviving as a club.

    Can you not comprehend the position we are in? As things stand, the debt is secured until 2012. So we have a year to rectify things.[/quote]
    we will still have our debt if we go down if not more, so we may as well get another fifty mill yes fifty mill, which is 34 mill more if we go down, not including the sale of nzogbia at 10 mill, so that would 44mill, so you want us to go down makes a load of sense,[/quote]

    We go down, we get the parachute payments.

    First season, 20 million.
    Second season, 15 million.
    Third season, 10 million.
    Fourth season, 5 million.

    We Sell: Nzogbia for 12 million
    Rodallega for 10 million
    Figueroa for 5 million
    Boselli for 5 million
    Plus one or two others might go, someone may come in for Alcaraz, and also Warnock at QPR is a big fan of Moses, having managed him at Palace. Don’t be surprised if he comes in for him. I think Di Santo might go back to Argentina, as well.

    Through selling those players, we would substantially cut the wage bill.

    That’s why we’ll be better off going down. Stay up and any money we get will just come in onme hand and go out the other, with more besides.

    Are you one of these people who is ‘stuck’ on seeing us playing Liverpool, United, Chelsea, etc? Why? We aren’t good enough for this level. Why not just enjoy us playing on a more level playing field?

    HINDLEY: You don’t know what Whelan’s brief has been to Martinez. Perhaps he’s had his calculator out and worked out the things I have just stated above?

    It may be a case of ‘taking a fall’ to pick ourselves up again, rather than it get to the point where the administrators are knocking on the door, and the chubsters are sending out party invites.

    What’s more important? The club surviving for many years to come, or battling out a season or two more at this level, before we are all over Sky Sports, as they go live to Fraser Daignton as he watches the administrators arriving at the club, and interviews a stereotypical Wiganer outside the ticket office who says “Latics have always struggled, it’s a rugby town” (and they are wearing a rugby hoodie)

    Balls to the Premiership. It’s too much for us as a business (at this present time) and we are better off all round out of it.

    How on earth has Martinez spent 20 million? Go on, break it down.

    Boselli? We’ll still be paying a chunk of his wages, you know, and as soon as he comes back, I’m assuming Genoa will not want him, we’ll be paying him the full £38,000 a week again. Are you naive enough to think that because he’s gone on loan we’re not paying him? It doesn’t work like that.

    #61434
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    So we may as well pack up our bags now, The reason we are in this position is that we dont score enough goals and that we concede goals like they are going out of fashion, and that is down to a certain person, and for us being better off going down, well i would love to hear mr whelans response to that one, your post just shows how much you love martinez no matter what he as done to the club as a manger, ps if you were to ask all the championship clubs were they would like to be, i would guess they would all say the prem, but eh not you, you want us down :clap:

    No, I want us to still have a club to support, be that in 2013, 2025, 2037, or whatever.

    I don’t care what level we are playing at, as long as we are still in business. And we cannot continue to operate at this level.

    I cannot believe that any genuine Wigan Athletic supporter will be selfish enough put the price of Premiership football above the overall value of us surviving as a club.

    Can you not comprehend the position we are in? As things stand, the debt is secured until 2012. So we have a year to rectify things.[/quote]
    we will still have our debt if we go down if not more, so we may as well get another fifty mill yes fifty mill, which is 34 mill more if we go down, not including the sale of nzogbia at 10 mill, so that would 44mill, so you want us to go down makes a load of sense,[/quote]

    We go down, we get the parachute payments.

    First season, 20 million.
    Second season, 15 million.
    Third season, 10 million.
    Fourth season, 5 million.

    We Sell: Nzogbia for 12 million
    Rodallega for 10 million
    Figueroa for 5 million
    Boselli for 5 million
    Plus one or two others might go, someone may come in for Alcaraz, and also Warnock at QPR is a big fan of Moses, having managed him at Palace. Don’t be surprised if he comes in for him. I think Di Santo might go back to Argentina, as well.

    Through selling those players, we would substantially cut the wage bill.

    That’s why we’ll be better off going down. Stay up and any money we get will just come in onme hand and go out the other, with more besides.

    Are you one of these people who is ‘stuck’ on seeing us playing Liverpool, United, Chelsea, etc? Why? We aren’t good enough for this level. Why not just enjoy us playing on a more level playing field?

    HINDLEY: You don’t know what Whelan’s brief has been to Martinez. Perhaps he’s had his calculator out and worked out the things I have just stated above?

    It may be a case of ‘taking a fall’ to pick ourselves up again, rather than it get to the point where the administrators are knocking on the door, and the chubsters are sending out party invites.

    What’s more important? The club surviving for many years to come, or battling out a season or two more at this level, before we are all over Sky Sports, as they go live to Fraser Daignton as he watches the administrators arriving at the club, and interviews a stereotypical Wiganer outside the ticket office who says “Latics have always struggled, it’s a rugby town” (and they are wearing a rugby hoodie)

    Balls to the Premiership. It’s too much for us as a business (at this present time) and we are better off all round out of it.

    How on earth has Martinez spent 20 million? Go on, break it down.

    Boselli? We’ll still be paying a chunk of his wages, you know, and as soon as he comes back, I’m assuming Genoa will not want him, we’ll be paying him the full £38,000 a week again. Are you naive enough to think that because he’s gone on loan we’re not paying him? It doesn’t work like that.[/quote]

    Bosselli £6.5m
    DiSanto £4.5m
    Scotland £2.5m
    Gomez £2m
    Stam £4m
    Caldwell £2m
    Moses £2.5m

    May be not 100% accurate but I have not included Alcaraz and the other Chuckle brother Stoikovic and quite a few others who wont have played for nothing.

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    Titus, Cattermole, Heskey, N’Zogbia, Palacios, Kirkland, Rodellega, Figs

    And that lot cost £20 million plus wages and is why we cant go along with paying £30 grand plus a week any more

    #61436
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    Titus, Cattermole, Heskey, N’Zogbia, Palacios, Kirkland, Rodellega, Figs

    And that lot cost £20 million plus wages and is why we cant go along with paying £30 grand plus a week any more

    If thats true why did Bob insist on buying Bosselli £35000 a week????? Also spent more than £20m on in the main useless signings.

    #61438
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    Indeed same coukd be said of spud yeds purchases

    ie Krapo, de Ridder cho

    #61440
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    But Steve Bruce bought some belters Titus, Cattermole, Heskey, N’Zogbia, Palacios, Kirkland, Rodellega, Figs all played and some do still play for us. How much quality has Bob signed McCarthy, Moses may be McArthur and at that I’m struggling.[/quote]

    hindley;

    titus bought by hutchings
    heskey & kirkland bought by jewell :doh:

    #61441
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    The Martinez apologists are the only people who seem to see positives in relegation. Parachute payments are not what we should be building the future of the club on. This group of players with some additions next season on Premier League payments should be able to challenge for fourth bottom and like it or lump it that is currently the height of our ambitions. We’ve suffered through some horrendous signings in the last two years from both Bruce and Martinez which have put us in the position we’re in so it’s not just a ‘blame Bob for everything’ mentality. Should we go down we will lose our better players and I certainly don’t think we’ll be clawing in anywhere near £5M for Hugo, £4M for Figueroa etc as we won’t be in a position to demand that kind of fee.

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