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Sadly there are a few Wigan fans knocking around, in both sports, that would rather the team failed so they could say ‘i told you so’, but me and Griff are not that type of fan. We would love Andy Delort or Oriol Riera to smash in the goals to save us but we just don’t think they’re the players to do it and considering the guy that signed them AND another Manager have left them both out points towards us being right……unfortunately for WAFC.
Congratulations to super fans Egg & Griff. :lol: Can we get a little icon of a chap with a brown nose up top please?
Hopefully you’ll get invited to the next forum with Malky.
For the record I don’t give a shiny who plays as long as we perform and start winning again. At the moment however we are getting that horribly wrong and have done for quite some time under these people, those same people who point to you being right. Once again congrats.
Weren’t you the same person who said the moon landing had been faked?
WAFC Believe
Sadly there are a few Wigan fans knocking around, in both sports, that would rather the team failed so they could say ‘i told you so’, but me and Griff are not that type of fan. We would love Andy Delort or Oriol Riera to smash in the goals to save us but we just don’t think they’re the players to do it and considering the guy that signed them AND another Manager have left them both out points towards us being right……unfortunately for WAFC.Fair point egg though how do you prove your worth if your not getting a chance?. Its a toughie I know and Malky has got a real job on his hands. Had Jimmy Greaves been evaluated on the training ground he would not have got further than Sunday League level. A lot of top pro’s have openly admitted that they could not be arsed in training. All we can do is hope Malky knows what he is doing and it eventually comes right for him.
Hopefully you’ll get invited to the next forum with Malky.
I was invited to the last one thanks.[/quote]
Me too, ten-a-penny those manager forums
Sadly there are a few Wigan fans knocking around, in both sports, that would rather the team failed so they could say ‘i told you so’, but me and Griff are not that type of fan. We would love Andy Delort or Oriol Riera to smash in the goals to save us but we just don’t think they’re the players to do it and considering the guy that signed them AND another Manager have left them both out points towards us being right……unfortunately for WAFC.
Fair point egg though how do you prove your worth if your not getting a chance?. Its a toughie I know and Malky has got a real job on his hands. Had Jimmy Greaves been evaluated on the training ground he would not have got further than Sunday League level. A lot of top pro’s have openly admitted that they could not be arsed in training. All we can do is hope Malky knows what he is doing and it eventually comes right for him.[/quote]
Apart from the fact you have absolutely no idea if that is true.
As previously stated both Delort and Riera have now played under two different managers and neither of them have been impressed enough to give them an extended run in the team. Given the woeful performance of the strike-force so far that speaks volumes.
As for my own personal opinion, which carries far more weight than anybody else’s at the club based on a number of years playing in the Wigan Amateur League and 50 odd years watching, I have yet to be convinced either of them are any better than those currently favoured.
But what do I know?
Sadly there are a few Wigan fans knocking around, in both sports, that would rather the team failed so they could say ‘i told you so’, but me and Griff are not that type of fan. We would love Andy Delort or Oriol Riera to smash in the goals to save us but we just don’t think they’re the players to do it and considering the guy that signed them AND another Manager have left them both out points towards us being right……unfortunately for WAFC.
Fair point egg though how do you prove your worth if your not getting a chance?. Its a toughie I know and Malky has got a real job on his hands. Had Jimmy Greaves been evaluated on the training ground he would not have got further than Sunday League level. A lot of top pro’s have openly admitted that they could not be arsed in training. All we can do is hope Malky knows what he is doing and it eventually comes right for him.[/quote]
Apart from the fact you have absolutely no idea if that is true.
As previously stated both Delort and Riera have now played under two different managers and neither of them have been impressed enough to give them an extended run in the team. Given the woeful performance of the strike-force so far that speaks volumes.
As for my own personal opinion, which carries far more weight than anybody else’s at the club based on a number of years playing in the Wigan Amateur League and 50 odd years watching, I have yet to be convinced either of them are any better than those currently favoured.
Jimmy Greaves always stated he wouldn’t train so I’m making that my point or do we assume he is a liar?. Paul McGrath couldn’t train due to injury but played first team football at the highest level. I’m not saying Riera and Delort are good enough I just wish we could see a bit of light at the end of the tunnel. If so much store is put on training and who performs best then where do we get match sharpness and fitness throughout the squad?. I don’t envy Malky one bit.
But what do I know?[/quote]
Sadly there are a few Wigan fans knocking around, in both sports, that would rather the team failed so they could say ‘i told you so’, but me and Griff are not that type of fan. We would love Andy Delort or Oriol Riera to smash in the goals to save us but we just don’t think they’re the players to do it and considering the guy that signed them AND another Manager have left them both out points towards us being right……unfortunately for WAFC.
Fair point egg though how do you prove your worth if your not getting a chance?. Its a toughie I know and Malky has got a real job on his hands. Had Jimmy Greaves been evaluated on the training ground he would not have got further than Sunday League level. A lot of top pro’s have openly admitted that they could not be arsed in training. All we can do is hope Malky knows what he is doing and it eventually comes right for him.[/quote]
You’re right really. I always say when the old ‘not got the experience’ line is trotted out that you only get that from playing, but in this case both players have played.
I personally do think that Riera is a better option than Fortune, but more educated people than me don’t.
As for my own personal opinion, which carries far more weight than anybody else’s at the club based on a number of years playing in the Wigan Amateur League and 50 odd years watching, I have yet to be convinced either of them are any better than those currently favoured.But what do I know?
WOW!
…and I bet you had no problem heading the ball, but struggled getting it through the changing room door.
I personally do think that Riera is a better option than Fortune, but more educated people than me don’t.I think that we have no-one better at holding up the play and bringing other players into the play than Fortune but unfortunately, as a goalscorer, he is woeful.
I’m not sure Riera can play that lone striker role from what little I have seen, but I think he would be better in front of goal than Fortune.
It would appear that Mackay prefers Fortune’s hold-up play. He may even think he is a better goalscorer, but I wouldn’t necessarily agree with that. As some of us have consistently been saying, it doesn’t really matter what we think. I imagine that no amount of us telling Mackay that he’s a clueless wanker on this forum will get him to change his mind.
For what it’s worth, I think Delort is better at fancy flicks and posting selfies on Twitter than both Riera and Fortune, but other than that…
Sadly there are a few Wigan fans knocking around, in both sports, that would rather the team failed so they could say ‘i told you so’, but me and Griff are not that type of fan. We would love Andy Delort or Oriol Riera to smash in the goals to save us but we just don’t think they’re the players to do it and considering the guy that signed them AND another Manager have left them both out points towards us being right……unfortunately for WAFC.
Fair point egg though how do you prove your worth if your not getting a chance?. Its a toughie I know and Malky has got a real job on his hands. Had Jimmy Greaves been evaluated on the training ground he would not have got further than Sunday League level. A lot of top pro’s have openly admitted that they could not be arsed in training. All we can do is hope Malky knows what he is doing and it eventually comes right for him.[/quote]
Apart from the fact you have absolutely no idea if that is true.
As previously stated both Delort and Riera have now played under two different managers and neither of them have been impressed enough to give them an extended run in the team. Given the woeful performance of the strike-force so far that speaks volumes.
As for my own personal opinion, which carries far more weight than anybody else’s at the club based on a number of years playing in the Wigan Amateur League and 50 odd years watching, I have yet to be convinced either of them are any better than those currently favoured.
Jimmy Greaves always stated he wouldn’t train so I’m making that my point or do we assume he is a liar?. Paul McGrath couldn’t train due to injury but played first team football at the highest level. I’m not saying Riera and Delort are good enough I just wish we could see a bit of light at the end of the tunnel. If so much store is put on training and who performs best then where do we get match sharpness and fitness throughout the squad?. I don’t envy Malky one bit.
But what do I know?[/quote][/quote]
Tongue-in-cheek speak from Jimmy Greaves perhaps? Probably his way of saying he didn’t train as hard as some others.
So how do you think Jimmy Greaves was evaluated on the training ground and how do you think that might relate to how Delort and Riera are assessed?
I’m pretty sure if either of them were to show anywhere near the same natural goal scoring ability that Jimmy possessed they’d be first choice starters alright, but not for Wigan Athletic.
Sammy, do you not think that football today is a bit too scientific?. Bill Nicholson and Sir Alf only needed to see Greavsie to know how good he was. All I’m saying is that today it is about clip boards and ststistics and not about natural talent. Maybe Riera and Delort have been coached since youth to play attacking football and now in England with the more defensive systems in use that they find it hard to fit in. Who knows? why it is not working for them but who do we replace them with within the squad?.
I’m not sure why some think it is so hard to assess a player’s quality in training rather than in a match environment. As far as I’m aware, they do play football in training (apart from when Coyle was here, of course, when it was table tennis). And in fact, those who suggest that some players are not “good trainers” may be missing the point that managers and coaches might just be able to spot that and don’t actually appreciate it.
It might explain, for example, why James McClean, who I’d suggest would run himself into the ground when he’s in Asda might be preferred to someone like a Delort or a Riera who may be more of, shall we say, a lazy twat.
I use Riera/Delort merely as examples as I obviously don’t know the above to be true as I am not paid to be at the training ground day in day out to assess such things.
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