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Hopefully you’ll get invited to the next forum with Malky.
I was invited to the last one thanks.[/quote]
Me too, ten-a-penny those manager forums[/quote]
Hahaha exactly my point! Hook line and sinker.
No wonder everything in the Latics garden is rosy.
3 lads who didn’t train anything like as much as their team mates off the top of my head
Paul McGrath – said it was his knees, liked a pint
Ledley King – in fairness was crocked but could play a bit on a Saturday
George Best – liked a pint & birds more than football3 lads who didn’t train anything like as much as their team mates off the top of my headPaul McGrath – said it was his knees, liked a pint
Ledley King – in fairness was crocked but could play a bit on a Saturday
George Best – liked a pint & birds more than footballSurely their reputations for this was only earned at the end of their career though. In fact, as a youngster, I’m sure Best was supposed to be one of the hardest trainers.
For Latics, Ramis not training hard (due to injuries sustained) may be understandable. Players in their early 20s who can’t quite break through into the first XI is a different story.
As for my own personal opinion, which carries far more weight than anybody else’s at the club based on a number of years playing in the Wigan Amateur League and 50 odd years watching, I have yet to be convinced either of them are any better than those currently favoured.
But what do I know?
WOW!
…and I bet you had no problem heading the ball, but struggled getting it through the changing room door.[/quote]
A bit of a whoosh moment there I’m afraid IWBITD, and you of all people.
Hopefully you’ll get invited to the next forum with Malky.
I was invited to the last one thanks.[/quote]
Me too, ten-a-penny those manager forums[/quote]
Hahaha exactly my point! Hook line and sinker.
No wonder everything in the Latics garden is rosy.[/quote]
OOOOOOOOOOH you were fishing were you??? I see.
Sammy, do you not think that football today is a bit too scientific?. Bill Nicholson and Sir Alf only needed to see Greavsie to know how good he was. All I’m saying is that today it is about clip boards and ststistics and not about natural talent. Maybe Riera and Delort have been coached since youth to play attacking football and now in England with the more defensive systems in use that they find it hard to fit in. Who knows? why it is not working for them but who do we replace them with within the squad?.If you compare how the game is today with that of 50, 40 or even 30 years ago it’s understandable how some players back then could get by on their talent alone. That’s just not possible or acceptable in todays game.
However, natural talent will always shine through so we must come to the conclusion that neither of the two players in question – however they have been previously coached – have shone well enough to impress either Rosler or Mackay. Why else would they not be in the staring eleven on a regular basis?
Well what he is trying at the moment doesn’t seem to be working and so maybe he should try some other combination? Even toddlers realise after several failed attempts that square pegs don’t fit into round holes! Just sayin!
Sammy, do you not think that football today is a bit too scientific?. Bill Nicholson and Sir Alf only needed to see Greavsie to know how good he was. All I’m saying is that today it is about clip boards and ststistics and not about natural talent. Maybe Riera and Delort have been coached since youth to play attacking football and now in England with the more defensive systems in use that they find it hard to fit in. Who knows? why it is not working for them but who do we replace them with within the squad?.
If you compare how the game is today with that of 50, 40 or even 30 years ago it’s understandable how some players back then could get by on their talent alone. That’s just not possible or acceptable in todays game.
However, natural talent will always shine through so we must come to the conclusion that neither of the two players in question – however they have been previously coached – have shone well enough to impress either Rosler or Mackay. Why else would they not be in the staring eleven on a regular basis?[/quote]
Quite correct, today you cannot turn up for training with a hangover and a fag on. As for the managers picking Riera and Delort well Rosler didn’t last 5 minutes and already if you listen to some on here Malky is a waste of space (not my opinion) so to say 2 managers don’t rate them is just not registering with the more pessimistic fans among us. I personally think our plight is still down to the formations we are using which are suited to the Prem but maybe not so the Championship. I am confident that Malky will get it right but it may take relegation to finally rid us of the Premier League ethos to turn it around.
BTW Sammy we must have been in the Ammy league at similar times though I never turned up much coz the Latics always played on Saturday back then and so I was always unavailable :lol: :lol: I only really started playing when I moved to Nuneaton and played Sunday league.
I was at Shevvy.
Sammy, do you not think that football today is a bit too scientific?. Bill Nicholson and Sir Alf only needed to see Greavsie to know how good he was. All I’m saying is that today it is about clip boards and ststistics and not about natural talent. Maybe Riera and Delort have been coached since youth to play attacking football and now in England with the more defensive systems in use that they find it hard to fit in. Who knows? why it is not working for them but who do we replace them with within the squad?.
If you compare how the game is today with that of 50, 40 or even 30 years ago it’s understandable how some players back then could get by on their talent alone. That’s just not possible or acceptable in todays game.
However, natural talent will always shine through so we must come to the conclusion that neither of the two players in question – however they have been previously coached – have shone well enough to impress either Rosler or Mackay. Why else would they not be in the staring eleven on a regular basis?[/quote]
Quite correct, today you cannot turn up for training with a hangover and a fag on. As for the managers picking Riera and Delort well Rosler didn’t last 5 minutes and already if you listen to some on here Malky is a waste of space (not my opinion) so to say 2 managers don’t rate them is just not registering with the more pessimistic fans among us. I personally think our plight is still down to the formations we are using which are suited to the Prem but maybe not so the Championship. I am confident that Malky will get it right but it may take relegation to finally rid us of the Premier League ethos to turn it around.
BTW Sammy we must have been in the Ammy league at similar times though I never turned up much coz the Latics always played on Saturday back then and so I was always unavailable :lol: :lol: I only really started playing when I moved to Nuneaton and played Sunday league.
I was at Shevvy.[/quote]
If you are looking for other excuses regarding the current performance of the team I think it would be naïve to believe the appointment of Mackay, Whelan’s ill judged comments and the still on-going controversy surrounding all of that isn’t having some kind of effect on the club as a whole.
I worked at Walmsley’s in the seventies and played for the works team until a more pressing commitment meant I had to give up the football.
Sammy, do you not think that football today is a bit too scientific?. Bill Nicholson and Sir Alf only needed to see Greavsie to know how good he was. All I’m saying is that today it is about clip boards and ststistics and not about natural talent. Maybe Riera and Delort have been coached since youth to play attacking football and now in England with the more defensive systems in use that they find it hard to fit in. Who knows? why it is not working for them but who do we replace them with within the squad?.
If you compare how the game is today with that of 50, 40 or even 30 years ago it’s understandable how some players back then could get by on their talent alone. That’s just not possible or acceptable in todays game.
However, natural talent will always shine through so we must come to the conclusion that neither of the two players in question – however they have been previously coached – have shone well enough to impress either Rosler or Mackay. Why else would they not be in the staring eleven on a regular basis?[/quote]
Quite correct, today you cannot turn up for training with a hangover and a fag on. As for the managers picking Riera and Delort well Rosler didn’t last 5 minutes and already if you listen to some on here Malky is a waste of space (not my opinion) so to say 2 managers don’t rate them is just not registering with the more pessimistic fans among us. I personally think our plight is still down to the formations we are using which are suited to the Prem but maybe not so the Championship. I am confident that Malky will get it right but it may take relegation to finally rid us of the Premier League ethos to turn it around.
BTW Sammy we must have been in the Ammy league at similar times though I never turned up much coz the Latics always played on Saturday back then and so I was always unavailable :lol: :lol: I only really started playing when I moved to Nuneaton and played Sunday league.
I was at Shevvy.[/quote]
If you are looking for other excuses regarding the current performance of the team I think it would be naïve to believe the appointment of Mackay, Whelan’s ill judged comments and the still on-going controversy surrounding all of that isn’t having some kind of effect on the club as a whole.
I worked at Walmsley’s in the seventies and played for the works team until a more pressing commitment meant I had to give up the football.[/quote]
I agree it has to have an effect but I reckon Mackay is a big enough guy to ride it out given time but as we know managers today are seldom afforded time.
I’m not sure why some think it is so hard to assess a player’s quality in training rather than in a match environment. As far as I’m aware, they do play football in training (apart from when Coyle was here, of course, when it was table tennis). And in fact, those who suggest that some players are not “good trainers” may be missing the point that managers and coaches might just be able to spot that and don’t actually appreciate it.It might explain, for example, why James McClean, who I’d suggest would run himself into the ground when he’s in Asda might be preferred to someone like a Delort or a Riera who may be more of, shall we say, a lazy twat.
I use Riera/Delort merely as examples as I obviously don’t know the above to be true as I am not paid to be at the training ground day in day out to assess such things.
The manager has made it quite clear he doesn’t fancy certain players by omitting them from the team altogether. Have you ever played the game ? let me explain, some players hate training , period but on match day their a different animal. My son is coming up for 19 and plays at a decent amatuer level. He hates training and like a few others trains like a pig but on matchday he gets fired up and is a total different character, captains his side and regular M0TM awards and player of the season awards. If you gave out the same awards for training he’d get a polished turd.
Would you run your bollocks to the ground in training if you knew beforehand you would def not be playing no matter what you do ? it’s a vicious circle, it’s time to give others a run in the team, you never know. So he drops Delort, he plays in the reserves and scores and , yep , not even the bench. Do I know if he’s any good on a matchday ? no, and neither does MacKay because we both haven’t seen him but there’s not just Delort there’s a full second team not even getting a sniff.
As it stands at Wigan, players who are fancied by the way they “train” more professional whatever they are not getting the results, period. MacKay’s plan isn’t working with player selection so I say give the lads who don’t get a run a chance or what’s the point of a squad ?? we can’t be any poor than we are at the moment. If you don’t you will never know.
I would point to Riera more than Delort who has suffered the most. By all reports there are 3 La Liga teams after his services so they must know something MacKay doesn’t.
If we clearout the squad in Jan how long will it take for the new additions to bed in to the reserves cause that’s were their they’ll be heading….training ? were would Paul McGrath be without training….
Hopefully you’ll get invited to the next forum with Malky.
I was invited to the last one thanks.[/quote]
Me too, ten-a-penny those manager forums[/quote]
Hahaha exactly my point! Hook line and sinker.
No wonder everything in the Latics garden is rosy.[/quote]
OOOOOOOOOOH you were fishing were you??? I see.[/quote]
I wasn’t fishing. It’s a fact some of you close to the club would rather back those in charge than be against them on here.
At least Waghorn is back in some capacity today and Malky obviously fancies him. Maybe it’s just the foreigners he doesn’t like?
Be interested to see if Ali starts today.
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