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    StandishWalkerStandishWalker
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    Interesting interview with John Williams, the Blackburn Chairman.
    He’s basically answering the supporters’ questions as to why they have been busy selling players, but not bringing them in, and he provides a simple explanation where the money goes. (Ring any bells?)

    Whelan might want to take a leaf from his book and do something similar as it would put the old ‘Whelan’s gravy train’ theory to the sword.

    http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sp … h/?ref=rss

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    Vat69Vat69
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    Very interesting.

    Typically, I’m going to come out and ruffle one or two feathers with this comment, but here we go.

    If we cannot survive in this league, with the wage bill and costs, and have to resort to using all the income from selling our best players, thus leaving us with NOTHING to spend on decent replacements…….

    then perhaps we’d be better off in the Championship. I’m serious. Our support just isn’t good enough, and we don’t generate enough income to operate at this level. We are merely treading water. But how long can we do that for? (It is more than apparent that we are trying to cut the wage bill, with Watson going on loan, and King possibly, as well.)

    I am very pleased that you have put this link on here, because it shows everybody that we are obviously struggling to make ends meet. And if that’s the case, despite ongoing player sales, big TV money, increased sponsorship, and whatever, then I really DO think that we would be better of actually competing in a lower league. (The Championship)
    Blackburn are a bigger club than us. Not by much, but they have at least won the Premiership, a title which they won through buying a team to do so. They couldn’t do that now. If Blackburn are struggling, then I have no doubt that we are as well. ‘Making ends meet’, just about.

    I keep on hearing rumours that “Whelan is planning on pocketing 50 million, as payment for the club, and handing ownership actually back, to Wigan Athletic AFC, debt free”. However, from what you say with this link, I doubt it very much. And even if he did do that, and we named, oh, I don’t know, ‘Joe Bloggs’ as the new chairman, we’d be operating with NO cash. So we’d soon end up in dire straights, anyway.
    The only way out would be a new buyer, and new investment. Someone with loads of money. But I can’t see them queuing up, can you?

    It puts it in perspective when you see that City are owned by TRILLIONAIRES, not millionaires. Chelsea are owned by a Billionaire, etc, etc.

    We aren’t cut out for this league, I’m afraid. Ah well………..

    Que Sera, Sera…….and all that.

    #8277
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    You are joking right? Twice we have finished 10th and 11th. Also we have reached a cup final and you think you would prefer visiting Meadow Lane rather than Anfield? I thought there were sad postings on here, but that takes the biscuit. A fan wanting his team relegated, the hight of negativity.
    I left Wiganer due to some sad comments, I think I made a mistake.

    #8278
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    Very interesting.

    Typically, I’m going to come out and ruffle one or two feathers with this comment, but here we go.

    If we cannot survive in this league, with the wage bill and costs, and have to resort to using all the income from selling our best players, thus leaving us with NOTHING to spend on decent replacements…….

    then perhaps we’d be better off in the Championship. I’m serious. Our support just isn’t good enough, and we don’t generate enough income to operate at this level. We are merely treading water. But how long can we do that for? (It is more than apparent that we are trying to cut the wage bill, with Watson going on loan, and King possibly, as well.)

    I am very pleased that you have put this link on here, because it shows everybody that we are obviously struggling to make ends meet. And if that’s the case, despite ongoing player sales, big TV money, increased sponsorship, and whatever, then I really DO think that we would be better of actually competing in a lower league. (The Championship)
    Blackburn are a bigger club than us. Not by much, but they have at least won the Premiership, a title which they won through buying a team to do so. They couldn’t do that now. If Blackburn are struggling, then I have no doubt that we are as well. ‘Making ends meet’, just about.

    I keep on hearing rumours that “Whelan is planning on pocketing 50 million, as payment for the club, and handing ownership actually back, to Wigan Athletic AFC, debt free”. However, from what you say with this link, I doubt it very much. And even if he did do that, and we named, oh, I don’t know, ‘Joe Bloggs’ as the new chairman, we’d be operating with NO cash. So we’d soon end up in dire straights, anyway.
    The only way out would be a new buyer, and new investment. Someone with loads of money. But I can’t see them queuing up, can you?

    It puts it in perspective when you see that City are owned by TRILLIONAIRES, not millionaires. Chelsea are owned by a Billionaire, etc, etc.

    We aren’t cut out for this league, I’m afraid. Ah well………..

    Que Sera, Sera…….and all that.

    Maybe the so called yo-yo clubs have the best ideas, come up, take the cash, go down, cut the wage bill, take the parachute payment, get promoted take the cash etc etc etc etc…….

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    You can shove your Anfield where the sun doesn’t shine, thank you very much!

    What? A stadium full of camera-phone toting Norwegians, with their Megastore carrier bags? Old Trafford is the same.

    Playing against 12 men every time you go there?

    Yes, I see the Premiership for what it is. It is NOT the place for Wigan Athletic. Not unless some Arab with a load of cash to waste fancies buying us. But I can’t see it.
    I’d be more than happy to see us as a ‘top 10’ Championship side. Honestly. I had some of my greatest away days at that level, and I never felt ‘ripped off’ by ticket prices. And to top it all off, we had a genuine chance of actually WINNING games. Who recalls the wins at Leeds and Leicester? They are right up there in my favourite away days, rather than getting tonked at Old Trafford, or getting nothing from the ref and getting done late on at Anfield. Our away support in the Championship was class, as well.
    Anybody who thinks that a trip to either Old Trafford or Anfield is the consumate football ‘experience’ is seriously WAY off track. Both are like a bloody carnival, rather than a football match. My favourite away day in the Premiership? Charlton. Nice ground, not spoilt by commercialism, decent fans, and an ‘old school’ atmosphere surrounding the ground. Apart from that, trips to Goodison aside, it’s all crap.

    I definitely enjoyed the Championship more than the Premiership, and I know that I’m not the only one. I certainly went to more away games. And you know why? Because I knew we always had a chance.

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    Maybe the so called yo-yo clubs have the best ideas, come up, take the cash, go down, cut the wage bill, take the parachute payment, get promoted take the cash etc etc etc etc…….

    Excellent point.

    A case of taking a step back, to move forward, so to speak.

    And if we could do that, it regenerates the support, as your on the promotion trail, actually COMPETING again, rather than ‘treading water’ from season to season. However there’s also the risk of ‘doing a Leeds’, but let’s be honest, a lot of that was down to exceedingly bad management.

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    That articles very interesting. I was shocked by the comment that the jack walker trust wouldnt be putting anymore money in and continues to seek a new buyer. You see i was always under the impression the trust was set up primarily for the football club and the whole ideal around it was the club had to make a small profit every season hence every year the club selling a star player. I was also under the impression that a similar think was going to be set up for Wigan Athletic.

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    So what if we got into the top two, do you think we should lose purposely to stay there? Were Wigan Athletic and were premiership to stay, don’t like it you pathetic little man sod off to Leigh.

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    So what if we got into the top two, do you think we should lose purposely to stay there? Were Wigan Athletic and were premiership to stay, don’t like it you pathetic little man sod off to Leigh.

    Are you 12, or what? What a snappy, quick response.

    “Wigan Athletic, and were Premiership To Stay”

    What as? Perrenial relegation strugglers, scraping for 40 points every season? Losing a lot more games that we actually win?

    Why sod off to Leigh?

    BTW Do you own a jesters hat, per chance? :lol:

    #8293
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    That articles very interesting. I was shocked by the comment that the jack walker trust wouldnt be putting anymore money in and continues to seek a new buyer. You see i was always under the impression the trust was set up primarily for the football club and the whole ideal around it was the club had to make a small profit every season hence every year the club selling a star player. I was also under the impression that a similar think was going to be set up for Wigan Athletic.

    Hmm, yeah. The logical thing for Whelan, was always to pass on the club to Duncan Sharpe, and I believe he’d have been a decent chairman. But when he died, that put paid to that, and it could see us in something of a pickle when Whelan decides to pack in.
    The sad thing is, and please don’t shoot me for saying this, as I admit it is the worst thing in the world that could happen, but Whelan will be looking around him, for someone with experience in sporting fields, and sports administration……..

    I’m not saying it. We ALL know who is lingering in the wings, and god forbid that it ever happens. The frightening thing is, that it actually could.

    Then would the idea of a foreign buyer seem so bad? No, would it bloody hell. In fact, I think most people would rather see Kenyon back! (possibly) :shock:

    The club would almost…..dare I say it…..die on the spot if the possible happened. Honestly it would. :(

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    I disagree that we’d be better off in the Championship. It’s better to wallow mid-table in the Premier League than to do the same in a lower league. If you aren’t aiming for promotion, what is the point of playing in the Championship? If you want to be ambitionless, surely it’s better to do it in the top league?

    I, and others, have posted these links before – so have included them again for the benefit of those who skip over the facts to spin a good yarn.
    See below for the football debt per club (That’s where all the money goes…):

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009 … eague-debt

    Or TV and prize money per club (Where’s the £60 million we receive per season?):

    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/Pr … 5323882.jp

    Blackburn are not dissimilar to Wigan in terms of budgets, and although they had a trust fund set up by Jack Walker, players’ salaries and transfer fees have rocketed since then, and therefore the interest received from this is no longer sufficient to keep the club solvent and competitive in the Premier League. Unless there’s someone willing to top-up a Whelan bequeathed trust fund for the club on a yearly basis (to ensure it still provides sufficient return to keep the club in a healthy position) – and let’s be honestly, that is highly unlikely – the same would happen with Wigan.

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    I said at the time and il say it now the only reason that lindsay was brought in was so that if anything happened to Whelan someone could step straight in and take over the reigns.

    Then if you tally up the dates of him thinking he was ill and Lindsay coming in it makes more sense.

    Im sure somewere theres a little piece of paper that says “If im ever declared unfit of mind, or unable to carry out my duties. Or when i pass awaythe club will be passed to Maurice Lindsay as executor with the sole intention of running it until either a. a buyer can be found or b. probate has been completed.Signed Mr D Whelan”

    Duncan Sharpe was always the plan to take over however things made that impossible and with no other heir interested in football im beginning to come around to the idea that nows the time to either set up a trust or find a new buyer before he passes away and his family kill what he achieved with our club.

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    Yeah but Standish from what i understand the jack walker trust was set up on the condition that the club made a small profit not taking money from the fund every year hence why they never make big money signings. Have no star players in terms of wages and contracts and sell their top players without replacing them year after year.

    From people that ive just spoke to regarding them being for sale their understanding is that the people in charge of the trust have made bad financial desicions over the past year which has affected the funds available.

    Not the football clubs fault but the people running it and the financial climate at the moment.

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    We are probably the smallest club to ever compete in the Premier League (13000 home fans for a game against Manchester United, 11000 season ticket holders paying 250quid???) and when we got here , 99% of us thought we would do what loads of others have done and stick around for a year before going down.

    Our aim has always been and as far as I can see always will be staying up. The anti Whelan brigade saying he should go are living in a dream world because without him, or someone else like him anyway, putting money in every year we would be in a similar position to Leeds or Southampton…but with an average gate of about 8000.

    We can’t build something long term in the Premier League because we can’t afford to. We can’t offer the likes of Palacios and Valencia and Cattermole what they can get elsewhere, and to be honest if by doing so it puts the future of the club at risk then I’d rather we didn’t.

    Its ok saying we have all this money to spend…I’m afraid we don’t. The sales of the players over the past 6 months should have made serious in roads into the 60 million debt we have but then we have to keep reinvesting in the squad so its catch 22. Forget the Sky money in terms of a profit because its goes straight against the 38 million wage bill we are carrying.

    Simple question is; how long can a club go on losing money every year??

    To me it looks like the board, or Whelan alone, has sat down and looked at things and thought we have to change the way we are operating because long term it’s not sustainable and to my mind that’s the reason Steve Bruce left. We now have a young manager who appears to want to be here long term, hopefully Whelan will stick with him so let’s give him time to build something.

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    Im not anti whelan i think that when the day comes for him to walk away he should be held aloft on the fans arms as no-one else would have dared take us to the prem and i dare say no-one else would be able to do it again the way we did.

    However i stand by that i think its time for him to go, nothing to do with the debt or the club more to do with if he passes away we could find ourselves as a club torn apart to stay afloat or used by his family in the wrong way as they will not want to throw money at something they are not passionate about.

    Because of this i think we should look for a new buyer now or set up a trust now so that the club can learn whilst daves still around. None of us are getting any younger.

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