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no hes not entirely griff –
its the bit where he says “and develop the talented squad that we have.” i find outlandish
Er, I’m sure that you and others have claimed that we do indeed have a potentially talented squad, being dragged down only by the ‘imbecile’ Martinez, is this not so?
So you’re now saying that an imbecilic manager is being asked to work with a totally talentless squad. well, in that case, I agree – he has no chance whatsoever.
Oh, and another bit you all chose to ignore from his quote:
“Then to take Wigan to the next level and try to compete for a European place.”
So, he only actually boasts that he will try to compete for a European place. Or should we be telling him not to even bother trying to do that now?*
* there are about 10 possible flippand dark-side responses to this; let’s see which gems they come up with between them.[/quote]
Everyone loves a tryer. And Uncle Dave loves Bobby
I can’t wait for the day when a lot of you on here eat your words.
God it’s hard enough going through this difficult spell without the whining and crying. It’s not all rosy at the moment but it will be a damn sight easier if we get behind our team and support them instead of this constant barrage of nonsense.
Any change will take time and mean looking at how different players cope with that change. At the start of the season we were shipping goals, now we look more solid. The goalie is outstanding, our defence is beginning to look tighter and midfield is providing a real challenge for places.
The problem is up front, but nobody scores with every chance they get, so instead of screeching in horror every time we miss why not support the lads to help build their confidence.
That is the idea of football, supporters get behind their team when they are struggling. Don’t just look for ridiculous solutions like sacking a manager who many football pundits agree has fantastic potential. Bobby wants to stay at our club and fulfil that potential here. That is brilliant news.
Next year will be our year and I can look back on last year in the knowledge that I supported Wigan Athletic and I don’t look like a complete dick.
Oh… Merry Christmas
Next year will be our year and I can look back on last year in the knowledge that I supported Wigan Athletic and I don’t look like a complete dick.Somehow I can only see 2 of those 3 statements coming true ;)
Everyone loves a tryer. And Uncle Dave loves BobbyThat was #7 on the predicted answer list. And predictably unamusing ;)
Next year will be our year and I can look back on last year in the knowledge that I supported Wigan Athletic and I don’t look like a complete dick.
Oh… Merry Christmas[/quote]
Im betting you do, not due to football, just in general.
Everyone loves a tryer. And Uncle Dave loves Bobby
That was #7 on the predicted answer list. And predictably unamusing ;) [/quote]
Hey Griff I have got to give you credit where it is due. You will not give on the Bob front will you ! I really do hope that your vision comes to fruition because all I see at the moment is a stubborn man who will not accept his tactics dont work. Now I read our record signing or whatever he is will be shipped out on loan without a league goal to his name and you seriously think that it might be because he hasn’t settled !! Come on Griff you are an intelligent man, surely you can see some shortcomings ? ;)
Hey Griff I have got to give you credit where it is due. You will not give on the Bob front will you ! I really do hope that your vision comes to fruition because all I see at the moment is a stubborn man who will not accept his tactics dont work.
I have never, ever said that the man is without fault. I get as frustrated as the next man with some of his decisions and his stubborness.I am, however, desperate for the mans and his way to succeed. I’m not saying it will and it will more than likely end in relegation, possibly even this season, but so what? It has to happen sometime. Anyone who thinks that Wigan Athletic has a God-given right to be challenging for a European place every year with the financial constraints we have needs their t!ts feeling, to be perfectly honest.
Now I read our record signing or whatever he is will be shipped out on loan without a league goal to his name and you seriously think that it might be because he hasn’t settled !!First of all it hasn’t happened yet and secondly, why not? he wouldn’t be the first to come to this country to not settle and be labelled a flop.
And you’re right, by the way – I am intelligent. It’s what enables me to see the bigger picture.
i don’t think there are many, if any, Latics fans who think that we have a god given right to be challenging for a european spot – financial constraints or not
I also don’t think that there are many Latics fans who don’t accept that sooner or later we will get relegated
Just speaking from a personal prespective – I fall into both categories yet I want Martinez out because he is hopelessly out of his depth & has a complete inability to learn from his mistakes
I can accept that if you shop in the bargain basement for most of your signings you may well uncover a few gems but most of the time what you’ll discover is sub-standard & is in the bargain basment coz no-one else wanted it
If & when Latics get relegated I want it to be inspite of the players & managers doing their damnedest to keep us up not on the stubborness & pig headedness of a manager who insists that the only way to play football is his way & who will persist in making the same mistakes over & over again in order to try & prove itWhat I struggle with is the “so what, it had to happen sometime” attitude of some of those who defend/support him – that to me isn’t about seeing the bigger picture
What I struggle with is the “so what, it had to happen sometime” attitude of some of those who defend/support him – that to me isn’t about seeing the bigger pictureYou are missing my point. I am saying that I (me, nobody else, couldn’t care what anyone else wants) thinks that we are likely to be relegated at some point and that I would rather go down trying to play the way we are, just because that’s the way I like football to be played. I know you don’t, but as my granny used to say, it would be very boring if we were all the same.
Am I right to assume that our limit is the Championship ? If this is the case then what would we be aiming to achieve in the Championship ? It sounds very much like a catch 22 situation to me ! The Bolton’s and the Blackburn’s have been around for eons but they have strived for top flight football and whilst both clubs in their respective pasts have fallen on hard times they have reestablished themselves in the top tier of our football leagues. Both small working class towns and very similar to Wigan. Our path has been a very different one and we are relatively new to the league compered to our neighbours but there is nothing to say that we cant have the same grit and determination as they have shown to be where all 3 of us are at this present juncture ! Why roll over and accept what the media have rammed down our throats !
Am I right to assume that our limit is the Championship ? If this is the case then what would we be aiming to achieve in the Championship ? It sounds very much like a catch 22 situation to me ! The Bolton’s and the Blackburn’s have been around for eons but they have strived for top flight football and whilst both clubs in their respective pasts have fallen on hard times they have reestablished themselves in the top tier of our football leagues. Both small working class towns and very similar to Wigan. Our path has been a very different one and we are relatively new to the league compered to our neighbours but there is nothing to say that we cant have the same grit and determination as they have shown to be where all 3 of us are at this present juncture ! Why roll over and accept what the media have rammed down our throats !
I don’t accept anything down my throat, rammed or otherwise ;)And of course the Championship isn’t the limit of our ambitions. But by the same token it is unrealistic to expect that we will remain in the top flight imperpetuity. Relegation at some point is inevitable. I’m relaxed about it, and as such I am in no hurry to sack a manager I like, trying to play a brand of football I like, at a football club that is not bankrupting itself attemptintg to achieve the unrealistic.
Am I right to assume that our limit is the Championship ? If this is the case then what would we be aiming to achieve in the Championship ? It sounds very much like a catch 22 situation to me ! The Bolton’s and the Blackburn’s have been around for eons but they have strived for top flight football and whilst both clubs in their respective pasts have fallen on hard times they have reestablished themselves in the top tier of our football leagues. Both small working class towns and very similar to Wigan. Our path has been a very different one and we are relatively new to the league compered to our neighbours but there is nothing to say that we cant have the same grit and determination as they have shown to be where all 3 of us are at this present juncture ! Why roll over and accept what the media have rammed down our throats !
I don’t accept anything down my throat, rammed or otherwise ;)
And of course the Championship isn’t the limit of our ambitions. But by the same token it is unrealistic to expect that we will remain in the top flight imperpetuity. Relegation at some point is inevitable. I’m relaxed about it, and as such I am in no hurry to sack a manager I like, trying to play a brand of football I like, at a football club that is not bankrupting itself attemptintg to achieve the unrealistic.[/quote]
I heard a quote the other day something along the lines of ” Nobody ever won anything playing fancy football !
You have covered yourself I see by saying ” Trying to play ” ;)You have covered yourself I see by saying ” Trying to play ” ;)Phil – mate, I am saying nothing I haven’t been saying for 18 months.
I don’t expect everyone to agree with me but I don’t particularly care, either
You have covered yourself I see by saying ” Trying to play ” ;)
Phil – mate, I am saying nothing I haven’t been saying for 18 months.
I don’t expect everyone to agree with me but I don’t particularly care, either[/quote]
It was a little tongue in cheek remark Griff hence the winky !! Ambiguity reigns free !! ;) ;)
What I struggle with is the “so what, it had to happen sometime” attitude of some of those who defend/support him – that to me isn’t about seeing the bigger picture
You are missing my point. I am saying that I (me, nobody else, couldn’t care what anyone else wants) thinks that we are likely to be relegated at some point and that I would rather go down trying to play the way we are, just because that’s the way I like football to be played. I know you don’t, but as my granny used to say, it would be very boring if we were all the same.[/quote]
I know what you’re saying Griff but I’m really struggling to understand why someone would think like that.
Leaving aside the fact I don’t like the style of football Bobby is trying to get the team to play (Spain play it successfully & I find it dull as dishwater) – if a manager was to come in & state he wanted to get Latics playing the same style of total football as the Dutch national side in the 70’s but it was painfully obvious after 18 months in charge that he simply wasn’t up to the job of getting the squad to play that way, or in getting the right types of players in to enable his team to play that way, regardless of the fact that I would find his ideals admirable then IMO that manager should be replaced because quite simply he wouldn’t be good enoughSame with Bobby at present – even if he was attempting to get Latics to play the type of football I enjoy but was achieving the same results, same performances & same league placings as he has I would want him replaced. Regardless of the fact that I know that one day the club will get relegated from the top flight & that I liked his theories about the game because what would be happening on the pitch would be proof that he wasn’t up to the job. Personally I would rather Latics prospered playing Bobby’s way than fail playing the style of football i enjoy
As you say life would be different if we all felt the same but if someone isn’t good enough at what they do at Latics then they should be replaced – in my opinion of course
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